China must recover territory ‘looted' by neighbours, said PLA General

[6642.CN]

I disagree, I think China can easily beat India. Both in war and deception.

China has already been back stabbed by India in 1959 when they hosted the Tibetan government in exile. They continued to host them for over half a century.

Then back stabbed again, via Nehru's forward policy in 1962, leading to the Sino-Indian war.

The CCP is prepared for any more back stabbing coming from that direction.

my point is why are you going to let someone back stab you when you know before handed that the person will back stab you. prevention is better than cure. we are we deluding ourselves? why the govt is not letting the nation become aware of Indian threat even after India attended Nobel ceremony, when indian think tanks are talking about regime change (go to youtube you will find the talk shows), when india is officially saying Tibet is not part of China? China needs an offensive defense strategy and mental preparation for war. Speeder 2 posted a nice post addressing Gambit in another thread. the house is on fire and the Chinese govt doesn't want to believe in it. as long as I don't find reasonable answers, I assume the govt is deliberately deceiving the nation and China's allies. you see, you know this very well, DPRK no longer trusts the Beijing Govt.

 

[divya]

I am assuming a situation where China is defending Pakistan against an Indian attack, for example after a trigger like another Mumbai.

So indirectly you vow to support the perpetrators of mumbai.

Regarding purely China and India though... India refused to include the "One China" principle in the joint statement during Wen Jiabao's visit.

You guys broke the ice with stapled visa to Kashmiris. We are just returning the favor.. If there cant be one india for you sorry we cant have one china either.

From what I have read, Indian think tanks believe that India should pressure China over Tibet, up to and including a scenario where India would label Tibet as a "disputed area". This refusal to state the One China policy is seen as a precursor to that.

They should if the hostilities continue and China continues its posture vis a vis Kashmir.
First you be neutral we will be neutral.

Such a move would certainly see some level of conflict. After hosting the Tibetan government in exile for over half a century, if India decides to label Tibet as a "disputed area" that will end up with a conflict.

Not possible for the reason that just with the declaration of Tibet as disputed china will never risk a war for the reason China aint lossing territory with such a move. At the same time if China agressess it will invite other nations also to start considering Tibet as disputed.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

when indian think tanks are talking about regime change (go to youtube you will find the talk shows), when india is officially saying Tibet is not part of China?

Yes I have read such things, especially from the IDR think tank.

The PLA and the CCP are certainly aware of the threat. After all, India has been hosting the Tibetan government in exile for over half a century. If nothing else drives them mad, then that really does.

Just because they don't say it in public doesn't mean they are not planning for it.

 

[divya]

India wants an independent Tibet. China has every reason to attack India and destroy this ugly threat once and for all. Nobody messes with China's Tibet.

And thats the reason India recognizes it as part of your territory. Now i have started doubting the IQ theory of below freezing... Are you chinese for real?

 

[6642.CN]

India wants an independent Tibet. China has every reason to attack India and destroy this ugly threat once and for all. Nobody messes with China's Tibet.

I just don't get it. what was the need to publicize that Tibet has this amount of minerals, that amount of minerals? if you analyze carefully, you will see that india started playing the Tibet card in a more offensive way soon after China declared that Tibet has minerals worth of 100 billions. now india is determined to split Tibet from China.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So indirectly you vow to support the perpetrators of mumbai.

Wrong. I don't believe that an entire nation needs to be punished for the crimes of a few non-state actors.

That is collective punishment, and against a Chinese ally as well.

You guys broke the ice with stapled visa to Kashmiris. We are just returning the favor.. If there cant be one india for you sorry we cant have one china either.

Well then there you are, it is answered. After half a century of India supporting the biggest separatist group in China (the Tibetan government in exile) you guys will finally show your face on this issue.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

And thats the reason India recognizes it as part of your territory. Now i have started doubting the IQ theory of below freezing... Are you chinese for real?

LOL the "words" of the GoI are worthless to us, it's the actions that matter.

India hosted the Tibetan government in exile immediately after they failed to overthrow the Chinese government.

And if that wasn't enough, next came Nehru's forward policy, and the resulting Sino-Indian war.

You guys have been supporting our biggest separatist group for over half a century. Actions speak louder than words.

 

[HongWu]

Yes I have read such things, especially from the IDR think tank.

The PLA and the CCP are certainly aware of the threat. After all, India has been hosting the Tibetan government in exile for over half a century. If nothing else drives them mad, then that really does.

Just because they don't say it in public doesn't mean they are not planning for it.

Yes, I was really worried that MMS would side with China and not send anybody to Norway. Then China might begin to trust India.

Fortunately, India came public with its intention to contain China. China has become stronger and more nationalistic in the past 5 years. This trend will continue. So the next step is simply

 

[divya]

Wrong. I don't believe that an entire nation needs to be punished for the crimes of a few non-state actors.

That is collective punishment, against a Chinese ally no less.

Indian response has never been to the nation of Pakistan it has been to the terrorist camps till Pakistan do not escalates it to full blown war and the reasons are obivious because of the incompetence of Pakistani government and military to control these jihadis.

Well then there you are, it is answered. After half a century of India supporting the biggest separatist group in China (the Tibetan government in exile) you guys will finally show your face on this issue.

We neither support them neither we condone them. They want to live in India they can. As far as Tibet is concerned doesnt India consider it part of your territory already than what is the deal

 

[6642.CN]

I am assuming a situation where China is defending Pakistan against an Indian attack, for example after a trigger like another Mumbai.

Regarding purely China and India though... India refused to include the "One China" principle in the joint statement during Wen Jiabao's visit.

From what I have read, Indian think tanks believe that India should pressure China over Tibet, up to and including a scenario where India would label Tibet as a "disputed area". This refusal to state the One China policy is seen as a precursor to that.

Such a move would certainly see some level of conflict. After hosting the Tibetan government in exile for over half a century, if India decides to label Tibet as a "disputed area" that will end up with a conflict.

india decided to declare Tibet not as part of China soon after China published reports that Tibet has minerals worth of 100 billions. i am damn sure about that.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

As far as Tibet is concerned doesnt India consider it part of your territory already than what is the deal

Like I said, India has been hosting the Tibetan government in exile for over half a century, ever since they failed to overthrow the Chinese government. Actions speak louder than words.

India could have EASILY "disbanded" the Tibetan government in exile, and let them live peacefully as Indian citizens.

The timing window for that has come and gone though.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

india decided to declare Tibet not as part of China soon after China published reports that Tibet has minerals worth of 100 billions. i am damn sure about that.

Not just the minerals.

They consider Tibet to be a perfect "buffer zone" against the PRC.

Also, most of the major rivers in Asia, originate from Tibet.

The geostrategic value of Tibet is absolutely enormous.

 

[HongWu]

india decided to declare Tibet not as part of China soon after China published reports that Tibet has minerals worth of 100 billions. i am damn sure about that.

Yes, that is absolutely red-handed evidence about Indian intentions. There is absolutely nothing good about that country. They are totally hostile to China.

China needs to get more involved in South Asia affairs, and then it will see the evil shadow of Bharat everywhere. Only then will Beijing understand that it's China's duty as a superpower to defeat this evil Bharat creature.

 

[divya]

Like I said, India has been hosting the Tibetan government in exile for over half a century, ever since they failed to overthrow the Chinese government. Actions speak louder than words.

India could have EASILY "disbanded" the Tibetan government in exile, and let them live peacefully as Indian citizens.

The timing window for that has come and gone though.

First Tibetians never tried to overthrow CPC but tried to get independence for their own land

Second India is democracy so everyone has certain rights using which they can choose whatever they want. China can very well come upto Indian judiciary and file case against GOI under Indian penal codes if they find the Tibetians from India involved in mischiefs within China. The options are open for you. Judiciary has nothing to do with GOI

And why the hell should we give citizenship to people who do not agree to the viewpoints of CPC. They are your citizens.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

First Tibetians never tried to overthrow CPC but tried to get independence for their own land.

What a fundamental difference in perception.

And why the hell should we give citizenship to people who do not agree to the viewpoints of CPC. They are your citizens.

Why the hell should you? Like I said, the time has long passed.