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For more than three decades, China has been courting its neighbors to the south. Enticing the countries of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations into closer cooperation has been a top goal of Chinese foreign policy since the days of Deng Xiaoping, and it has brought great rewards.

In 2010 the two sides entered into a free-trade agreement that created one of the world’s largest integrated markets. But now, with its aggressive attitude on demarcation lines in the South China Sea, China risks throwing it all away. Why?


Up to about two years ago, everything, including diplomatic affairs and trade, seemed to be developing swimmingly between China and its southern neighbors. Even with Vietnam, China’s opponent in a brief border-war in 1979, relations had improved markedly. Leaders in Hanoi were looking to Beijing both for advice on how to run a one-party Communist state and on how to reform its economy into a market-driven engine of growth. Some Southeast Asian countries with large Chinese minorities were, for the first time, beginning to see these groups as an opportunity in dealing with China, rather than as a threat.

Then things changed markedly. At a 2010 regional forum in Hanoi, the usually equipoised Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi fumed at his Southeast Asian hosts for their mutual solidarity and their perceived attempts to enlist U.S. support in their long-brewing disagreements over who had sovereignty over portions of the South China Sea.

“There is one basic difference among us,” Yang is supposed to have said. “China is a big state and you are smaller countries.” He infuriated not only the Vietnamese, but the truly big countries that were present, such as Indonesia. I met with a senior Indonesian policy maker in Jakarta soon afterward. “We are a serious country,” he bristled. “We will not be treated like this.”

Since then, China’s relations with Southeast Asia have been sinking fast. There have been clashes at sea between China and two other South China Sea claimants, Vietnam and the Philippines. Some countries are looking again at the content of the free-trade agreement, feeling that it gives China too much influence. Chinese attempts to use its power within the weaker ASEAN countries ― Cambodia and Burma ― to prevent a united front within the organization have backfired badly. The bigger countries now suspect that China is out to break up ASEAN (if given half a chance). In spite of recent Chinese restraint (at least verbally), relations seem to go from bad to worse.

What is at stake is not only a settlement of the disputed claims to zones of maritime control in the South China Sea (and the rights to exploit the resources that lie beneath them). It is the whole future relationship between China and the region. Even as the U.S. is encouraging negotiations and peaceful settlements, it is strengthening its regional role. Every big ASEAN country has drawn considerably closer to Washington over the past year or so. China’s policy has therefore been almost entirely self-defeating in terms of its long-term interests.

Why is China acting the way it does? The underwater resources at stake are deemed to be considerable and crucial to China’s future development.

Nationalist public opinion in China demands a tough stance on territorial issues, as the conflict with Japan over the East China Sea islands has also recently shown. There is genuine anger in Beijing about ASEAN’s efforts to seek U.S. support and about what is seen as an unwillingness to negotiate based on China’s demands. Some Chinese naval officers are bucking to test China’s newly gained capabilities for offshore naval deployment.

But at the root of the problem lies exactly what Yang alluded to in Hanoi. Because of a heritage that goes back to the deeper past, China regards its position within the region as unique. It is the big country and other countries must treat it as such. This does not preclude meaningful negotiations or a respect for the sovereignty of others. But it does imply a position for China that puts its views and its claims in a different category than those of other states. Especially in the long run, it is an attitude that will not serve China well.

China’s approach to ASEAN on the South China Sea disputes points to a country whose diplomacy is still remarkably immature and not ready to take on a regional leadership role. It does not slowly integrate its neighbors and putative partners into a cooperative constellation of states that may serve China’s interests and that also demonstrably serves the interests of others. This is what the U.S. did with its main allies after World War II. Instead, the PRC’s leaders seem hell-bound on looking after its own interests and challenging those of its neighbors, from Korea to Myanmar. This policy will not win China its much coveted regional role, not to mention a position as a global great power.

China’s demands on the South China Sea are not even clear. Officially the country claims “historical rights” over a vaguely defined section of ocean that covers most of the maritime regions to its south. That claim is often symbolized by a nine- dashed line on maritime maps, which would ― in effect ― recognize almost all of the South China Sea as Chinese. This is, to put it mildly, a nonsensical position that will not stand under international law. Most serious Chinese diplomats know this (though I am sometimes shocked by how many do not).


The best thing that China could do now would be to define its actual demands. This would include coming to terms with the fact that the country, at best, can only lay claim to a 12-nautical-mile zone around the islets. According to the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, small islands that cannot sustain human habitation do not have the right to a 200 mile exclusive economic zone. So instead of the “right” to all of the South China Sea, which many Chinese think they claim, the real maximum demand will be much more modest. This should sober minds in Beijing and elsewhere.

In the meantime, China and the other countries should adopt the new Indonesian proposal for an interim international code of conduct in the South China Sea. It calls for concrete confidence building and conflict prevention measures, including a reduction of military activity in the region. For the time being, that may be as close to calm as we can get within these troubled waters.

The Korea Herald
 
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See this is why you must never start a war that you simply cannot hope to win !
 
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“There is one basic difference among us,” Yang is supposed to have said. “China is a big state and you are smaller countries.”


In fact it's a stupid statement by a diplomat if it's true, however, the writer himself is not sure about the statement either. Such irresponsible reporting! If such statement is from private conversation then it's an inflammatory hearsay and should not be published by any reputable paper.

Aside from one or two country, China's relationship with ASEAN is fine, although a little mending works are call for here. Anyway high profile diplomats from those two said counties are now trotting in and out of Peking these days.
 
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Chinese diplomats wear arrogance on their sleeve. Remember the 'shut up' incident in India ?
 
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“There is one basic difference among us,” Yang is supposed to have said. “China is a big state and you are smaller countries.”


In fact it's a stupid statement by a diplomat if it's true, however, the writer himself is not sure about the statement either. Such irresponsible reporting! If such statement is from private conversation then it's an inflammatory hearsay and should not be published by any reputable paper.

Aside from one or two country, China's relationship with ASEAN is fine, although a little mending works are call for here. Anyway high profile diplomats from those two said counties are now trotting in and out of Peking these days.

Chinese foreign minister to Singapore counterpart: "China is a big country and other countries are small countries, and that’s just a fact

During the past few months China has been making claims to the South Sea as being Chinese, laying claim to not just a few islands, but the sea itself. This came as the Cheonan was sunk by North Korea, a Chinese client state. As recently seen, China, instead of acknowledging the wrong-doing of North Korea, has refused to recognize the international investigation and has also deliberately seeded conspiracy theories online that point to America rather than North Korea. The sinking of the Cheonan by North Korea has turned out to be, in the words of an Economist article “. . . one element in what appears to be an attempt to turn the seas near it into a Chinese lake. China has even denounced the recent U.S./South Korean war games as being a “threat to its territorial integrity” (article).

Naturally, “China declared its “indisputable sovereignty” over the South China Sea and held naval drills in the waters” during the US/SK exercises. (article):

The Chinese government considers the entire South China Sea as its own, dismissing claims from Southeast Asian countries to islands such as the Spratlys, and is building an ocean-going fleet to project power beyond its borders. China told Exxon Mobil Corp. and BP Plc to halt exploration in areas that Vietnam considers part of its territory . . .

What is interesting is how the PRC has poised itself to use the illustrious feats of a Ming-era admiral, Zheng He (Cheng Ho), not just as a symbol of China’s “peaceful rise”, but to possibly buttress its claims to the south sea, especially after claiming, this last March, that the South Sea was a “core interest” of the PRC, a term used when describing Tibet and Taiwan.

As part of this ongoing sea drama, Secretary of State Clinton recently angered Chinese leadership by suggesting at a regional security forum that American involvement in resolving long-standing disputes over islands in the South Sea was not the domain of China alone, but was also a matter of “national interest” to America. (article). Yang Jiechi, the minister of foreign affairs, PRC, seemed to lose his diplomatic poise, in reaction to Secretary Clinton, claiming “that the United States was ganging up with other countries against China”. Yang also seemed to target other ambassadors during this meeting:

China is a big country and other countries are small countries, and that’s just a fact.”. . . (staring directly at Singapore’s foreign minister, George Yeo, according to several participants at the meeting.)

The Foreign Ministry’s Web site also carried a statement, saying that there was no need to internationalize the issue, that China was still intent on solving all of the disputes bilaterally and that “China’s view represented the interests of “fellow Asians.”, a statement that vividly recalls the contentions of imperial Japan. Considering the PRC’s willingness to re-define and re-write history for political expediency, it looks as if more revisionism is in the works.

Chinese foreign minister to Singapore counterpart: "China is a big country and other countries are small countries, and that
 
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There's an old saying in Chinese foreign service: "Different diplomats for different functions". I suppose such diplomat was chosen for a reason. :smokin:


@ WuMao

Like I said if he did say that then it's a stupid statement and he should and will be reprimanded. However I didn't get the feeling from the OP's article.
 
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and I was a fool to think tht China only acts 'Snooty' when they think they are confident of there geopolitical position..
There always snooty.


And then there are dumbasses who think America is the one who sows seeds of discord.

Expect America to swoop down any moment.What stupidity.
 
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My statement was directed at Indoflamebaiter. :flame:
The point still stands, ever since the sixties CN has taken upon itself to replace US as the global supercop but fortunately for us & the rest of the world they're all bark no bite !
 
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Many times, the second always are reproached!!!
We still are not strong enough, still need working hard, be patient!

Not strong enough fr what? grabbing territory ? or Making such statements?
 
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Not strong enough fr what? grabbing territory ? or Making such statements?
Nothing, we are so far behind USA, and poor, one-year salary are not encough for a normal car in China, and we are just second to USA in GDP, in other dormains, we are much farther than other advanced countries, that's all, don't over read my comment!!
 
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Many times, the second always are reproached!!!
We still are not strong encough, still need working hard, be patient!


Let's say you become strong enough and I don't know what's your criteria of strong enough - what do you wish to achieve? dictate terms to everybody and expect them to be scared of you?

There can never be just one entity where all the concentration of wealth and power will lie, What one gets from such statements is China wants to be the next US - but US has a lot of soft power and a hell of a lot of migrants from every country and healthy trade with most countries. China on the other hand has trade deficits from everybody, they are out to destroy every industry, they want to make every possible product and kill local industries of a number of countries.

The rise of China should have been a celebration but it generates fear - not only to all its neighbors barring one or two who anyways have no future strategies in place but a lot of other countries as well, what China requires is sharing of wealth and not hoarding of it. One cannot have everything and leave nothing for others - the same theory goes is case of land and sea disputes too - even if your adversaries are smaller countries don't expect them to obey you just because you are big and strong.
 
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The point still stands, ever since the sixties CN has taken upon itself to replace US as the global supercop but fortunately for us & the rest of the world they're all bark no bite !
Looks like somebody's feeling inferior from 1962 ;)


The rise of China should have been a celebration but it generates fear - not only to all its neighbors barring one or two who anyways have no future strategies in place but a lot of other countries as well, what China requires is sharing of wealth and not hoarding of it. One cannot have everything and leave nothing for others - the same theory goes is case of land and sea disputes too - even if your adversaries are smaller countries don't expect them to obey you just because you are big and strong.
We share wealth with our allies like Pakistan and Cambodia and we crush our enemies like india and Vietnam. China is here to change the world and anybody standing in our way will cease to exist!
 
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