China missile hit highest suborbital level since 1976:

[manofwar]

We have already defeated the US military at its very best. You know when and where it happened. It's been discussed a thousand times on this forum.

Really??
During Korean war, 400,000 North korean and Chinese soldiers died by conservative estimates versus a 150,000 dead from the U.N. side. In addition to this disproportionate loss of life was the fact that No party was actually able to achieve it's goal, of conquering the other, in essence a typical case of uti possidetis.
The only reason why PLA was able to ensure a stalemate was only because it could offer much more cannon fodder to the U.N. forces. The kill ratio is a staggering 4:1. And this constitutes a victory for China??? It may have been a phyrric victory for China but nothing more.....

On topic: Congratulations on this achievement to China..........Hopefully India too would move forward with their ASAT program

 

[revu]

Really??
During Korean war, 400,000 North korean and Chinese soldiers died by conservative estimates versus a 150,000 dead from the U.N. side. In addition to this disproportionate loss of life was the fact that No party was actually able to achieve it's goal, of conquering the other, in essence a typical case of uti possidetis.
The only reason why PLA was able to ensure a stalemate was only because it could offer much more cannon fodder to the U.N. forces. The kill ratio is a staggering 4:1. And this constitutes a victory for China??? It may have been a phyrric victory for China but nothing more.....

On topic: Congratulations on this achievement to China..........Hopefully India too would move forward with their ASAT program

Just giving some picture, which one is correct 150.000 or.....

 

[Sino]

Really??
During Korean war, 400,000 North korean and Chinese soldiers died by conservative estimates versus a 150,000 dead from the U.N. side. In addition to this disproportionate loss of life was the fact that No party was actually able to achieve it's goal, of conquering the other, in essence a typical case of uti possidetis.
The only reason why PLA was able to ensure a stalemate was only because it could offer much more cannon fodder to the U.N. forces. The kill ratio is a staggering 4:1. And this constitutes a victory for China??? It may have been a phyrric victory for China but nothing more.....

On topic: Congratulations on this achievement to China..........Hopefully India too would move forward with their ASAT program

War is not about numbers dead. It's about achieving strategic objectives. The US had conquered North Korea before we entered the war. The US military was right on the China-North Korea border. Once we entered we drove the Americans back to South Korea. THAT IS STRATEHIC VICTORY! The fact that you measure wars based on who killed the most shows an amateurish mindset.
Our goal was to kick the Americans out of North Korea and that's exactly what we achieved.

Who is India to talk about wars anyway, you have lost the only war against major opposition (China).

India would never ever be able to achieve what we did against the Americans. If India did what we did, you would have got slaughtered and probably lost territory than before you entered the war. We took on the worlds military superpower at the peak of their powers with a coalition of countries and we managed to kick them out of North Korea. No other country has done that to the US military.

This is why the PLA is feared by the US military and why we managed to easily defeat India in 1962. If we can do that to the US military, what chance does India have of defeating the PLA? ZILCH!

 

[dbc]

War is not about numbers dead. It's about achieving strategic objectives. The US had conquered North Korea before we entered the war. The US military was right on the China-North Korea border. Once we entered we drove the Americans back to South Korea. THAT IS STRATEHIC VICTORY! The fact that you measure wars based on who killed the most shows an amateurish mindset.
Our goal was to kick the Americans out of North Korea and that's exactly what we achieved.

Who is India to talk about wars anyway, you have lost the only war against major opposition (China).

India would never ever be able to achieve what we did against the Americans. If India did what we did, you would have got slaughtered and probably lost territory than before you entered the war. We took on the worlds military superpower at the peak of their powers with a coalition of countries and we managed to kick them out of North Korea. No other country has done that to the US military.

This is why the PLA is feared by the US military and why we managed to easily defeat India in 1962. If we can do that to the US military, what chance does India have of defeating the PLA? ZILCH!

Why are we discussing the Korean war? The Chinese objective of the third campaign was to cross the 38th parallel and lay siege to Seoul. So your assertion of a war limited to the expulsion of UN troops from North Korea is false. The Chinese proceeded to cross the 38th parallel and captured territory deep inside South Korea, Seoul the South Korean capital fell into Chinese hands(see image).
UN forces counter attacked and the Chinese suffered its greatest embarrassment in PLA history when the PLA 180th division of the 60th army was routed either killed or captured a few managed to escape by disguising themselves as civilians. This loss among others brought China to the negotiation table and led to eventual truce.

The Korean war was a stalemate and not a strategic victory for China, it was a human tragedy with heavy loss of life particularly Korean(North & South) and Chinese.

 

[applesauce]

The Korean war was a stalemate and not a strategic victory for China, it was a human tragedy with heavy loss of life particularly Korean(North & South) and Chinese.

while its true that china suffered more losses, such ratios are pretty much expect given that they are fighting the US with very limited soviet support, what is surprising is that china forced a stalemate, the only war since the 1800's where this happened to the US when the fight is conventional. and i disagree on the strategic victory part.

it is infact a strategic victory, strategic victories bring long term benefits for the winner and while the war was essentially a stalemate, overall, the korean war did bring long term benefits to china. it showed that china was a major military power and it could and would defend its interests and those immediate interests are not to be lightly ignored, it was able to keep a buffer in the form of NK(which today might be a burden but for decades it was useful).

 

[manofwar]

The fact that you measure wars based on who killed the most shows an amateurish mindset.
Our goal was to kick the Americans out of North Korea and that's exactly what we achieved.

And your bringing India into an argument about Korean war is very mature I suppose.
And please don't bring Indo-sino war in this thread. We have already strayed enough offtopic

Was this really a missile test or was it a civilian launch?
The article isn't really clear about it........Is it a SLV that can be used for military purpose or a missile being used for scientific purpose??

 

[Sino]

Why are we discussing the Korean war? The Chinese objective of the third campaign was to cross the 38th parallel and lay siege to Seoul. So your assertion of a war limited to the expulsion of UN troops from North Korea is false. The Chinese proceeded to cross the 38th parallel and captured territory deep inside South Korea, Seoul the South Korean capital fell into Chinese hands(see image).
UN forces counter attacked and the Chinese suffered its greatest embarrassment in PLA history when the PLA 180th division of the 60th army was routed either killed or captured a few managed to escape by disguising themselves as civilians. This loss among others brought China to the negotiation table and led to eventual truce.

The Korean war was a stalemate and not a strategic victory for China, it was a human tragedy with heavy loss of life particularly Korean(North & South) and Chinese.

Wrong. The fact that there is a country called North Korea right now is proof that China achieved strategic victory. Before China entered the war, the US military was at the Yalu river. When we entered the war North Korea was under American occupation, we drove the US military all the way back to South Korea. Our aim was to kick the US out of North Korea, that's why we waited so long to enter the war until we realised North Korea won't be able to defend themselves.

Make no mistake about it, the Korean War is the most humiliating defeat for the US military. China was ill equipped compared to the advanced weapons the US had, but still we managed to make a mockery of the myth of American military supremacy. If the US military was as invincible as people say they are, why couldn't the US military stop being kicked out of North Korea.

The Korean War shattered the American military's invincibility. People back then gave China no chance, but we managed strategic victory over the US. This is why the Korean War is never talked in the US, because of the utter humiliation the US military suffered in its history.

 

[dbc]

Wrong. The fact that there is a country called North Korea right now is proof that China achieved strategic victory. Before China entered the war, the US military was at the Yalu river. When we entered the war North Korea was under American occupation, we drove the US military all the way back to South Korea. Our aim was to kick the US out of North Korea, that's why we waited so long to enter the war until we realised North Korea won't be able to defend themselves.

Make no mistake about it, the Korean War is the most humiliating defeat for the US military. China was ill equipped compared to the advanced weapons the US had, but still we managed to make a mockery of the myth of American military supremacy. If the US military was as invincible as people say they are, why couldn't the US military stop being kicked out of North Korea.

The Korean War shattered the American military's invincibility. People back then gave China no chance, but we managed strategic victory over the US. This is why the Korean War is never talked in the US, because of the utter humiliation the US military suffered in its history.

How did the PVA(PLA) end up in Seoul? Did they get lost? Why did they leave South Korea and return to the 38th parallel?Why were returning PLA troops and POWs treated as traitors and not heroes-Wai Gui Nei Kong? You have a lot to learn about your history, please don't waste my time.

 

[gpit]

How did the PVA(PLA) end up in Seoul? Did they get lost? Why did they leave South Korea and return to the 38th parallel?Why were returning PLA troops and POWs treated as traitors and not heroes-Wai Gui Nei Kong? You have a lot to learn about your history, please don't waste my time.

The Chinese can ask the same: why have US troops ended up along Yalu River? Did they finally get MacArthur's Christmas promise?

As to why PLA POWs became traitors, it was almost the same as in US troops. Oh, BTW, the black soldiers of US troops in the Korean War were slave-ishly discriminate. At least PLA dose not hire slave soldiers. BTW, that's about each other internal systems and PLA POW became traitor is not because US troops power in the Korean War.

The Chinese have the reason to be proud of the Korean War: US troops had never been defeated before Korea War. Now it was accomplished by a poor, backward and peasant (non-industrialized) country China that was just a few years ago looted and pillaged by 8 world powers for more than a hundred years. Never heard before that US soldiers surrendered to any foreign enemy troops in companies but to PLA (Maybe I have to learn earlier surrendering history of US troops). Well, some may argue that US troops were not defeated at all since they kept 38 parallel as almost is. But the same can be said that US troops were pushed away from Yalu River by PLA.

Seriously, if Russian soldiers were in the Korean War instead of PLA, the Russians would perhaps have mush less pride as Russia (Soviet) was already a power.

Frankly, there is no doubt if PLA had the capability it would push the enemy all the way out of Korea Peninsular. The same can be said that if US troops had the power it would also push the enemy all the way up to Yalu River. Per MacArthur's mentality, it wouldn't be surprised if he would push across Yalu River and into China's territory.

So be rational.

 

[gpit]

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The Korean war was a stalemate and not a strategic victory for China, it was a human tragedy with heavy loss of life particularly Korean(North & South) and Chinese.

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Like more this statement, except that it is considered as strategic victory for the Chinese when compared with what they perceived that US troops stationed across Yalu River (per MacArthur).

Precious buffer zone! (as viewed from 1950s) In addition to ideological propaganda tools...

 

[gambit]

How did the PVA(PLA) end up in Seoul? Did they get lost? Why did they leave South Korea and return to the 38th parallel?Why were returning PLA troops and POWs treated as traitors and not heroes-Wai Gui Nei Kong? You have a lot to learn about your history, please don't waste my time.

To the Chinese, the Korean War must be a victory of any sort, no matter how nebulous the interpretation. They need the Korean War to be a 'victory' almost as much as they need oxygen. Let them have that 'victory'.

 

[Foo_Fighter]

When Barbarian beat Rome, then they learned a lot from the roman army... especially foot infantry (hatistii and cohorts). Jusy my two cents, not supporting anyone claims of China beating US. I am neutral in this topic.

Guys, the question is not that difficult to understand. Of course, you are free to believe that China 'defeated' the US. But then if that belief is valid, then why is the PLA reforming itself to the mold of the US military?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Chinese mathematics: 10,000 km= 20,000 km.

The original Chinese report said more than 10000km, so it can be anywhere between 10001 to 99999km.

 

[Sino]

How did the PVA(PLA) end up in Seoul? Did they get lost? Why did they leave South Korea and return to the 38th parallel?Why were returning PLA troops and POWs treated as traitors and not heroes-Wai Gui Nei Kong? You have a lot to learn about your history, please don't waste my time.

You're wasting my time kid. How did the US military that was at the Yalu river go all the way back to Seoul? Was it magic?
We whooped your arse boy, our military was exhausted fighting the Japanese and Chinese nationalists and even with the limited resources we had compared to the US military, we still managed to kick the US military out of North Korea.
You had North Korea under control until we entered the war. Once we entered the war, the US military got the worst hiding in its history. Don't believe me? Just go ask the 8th army of the US military. They will tell ya.

 

[hk299792458]

To the Chinese, the Korean War must be a victory of any sort, no matter how nebulous the interpretation. They need the Korean War to be a 'victory' almost as much as they need oxygen. Let them have that 'victory'.

Americans didn't win, Chinese didn't loose, that's the truth commonly agreed.

For all other things, that's just the details.

By the way, why the thread of ASAT has gone to Korean war discussion?

Henri K.