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China may have ‘passed the point of no return’ as Covid infections soar
  • In the last few days, the mainland China daily Covid case count has climbed to around or more than 28,000 — near levels seen in April during a stringent lockdown in Shanghai, according to CNBC calculations of Wind Information data.
  • “China might have already passed the point of no return, as it’s unlikely to achieve zero Covid again without another Shanghai-style hard lockdown,” Macquarie’s Chief China Economist Larry Hu said in a report Tuesday.
  • In GDP terms, nearly 20% of China’s economy was negatively affected by Covid controls as of Monday, close to the high of 21.2% recorded in mid-April during Shanghai’s lockdown, Nomura’s Chief China Economist Ting Lu said, citing the firm’s model.

BEIJING — Surging Covid infections across mainland China make it harder for the government to achieve zero-Covid without reverting to a harsh lockdown, Macquarie’s Chief China Economist Larry Hu said.

In the last few days, the daily case count has climbed to around or more than 28,000 — near levels seen in April during a stringent lockdown in Shanghai, according to CNBC calculations of Wind Information data. The figures showed the last time mainland China saw only a handful of daily infections was in June, shortly after Shanghai eased its restrictions.

The latest Covid wave has hit the southern city of Guangzhou, the capital city of Beijing and many central parts of China — prompting local officials to tighten restrictions on business and social activity this month.

“China might have already passed the point of no return, as it’s unlikely to achieve zero Covid again without another Shanghai-style hard lockdown,” Hu said in a report Tuesday. “What policymakers could do now is to slow the spread of virus, i.e. flatten the curve, by tightening the Covid controls for the time being.”

Hu pointed to slight changes this month in government policy and propaganda as signs authorities are preparing for reopening in the next six to nine months. But he noted that “the road to reopening is set to involve lots of back-and-forth.”

Markets have speculated for weeks about the timing of China’s departure from its stringent zero-Covid policy. The controls have weighed on the economy, which barely eked out growth while Shanghai was locked down and has posted growth of only 3% during the first three quarters of the year.

In GDP terms, nearly 20% of China’s economy was negatively affected by Covid controls as of Monday, close to the high of 21.2% recorded in mid-April during Shanghai’s lockdown, Nomura’s Chief China Economist Ting Lu said, citing the firm’s model.

“Beijing has recently shown early signs of willingness to reopen, and it has rolled out some fine-tuning measures, but the reopening may be a prolonged process with discomfort,” Lu said in a separate report this week.
He said Vietnam’s unwinding of its Covid restrictions since fall last year could shed light on the path forward for China. He noted how the Southeast Asian country saw “no immediate surge in infections after the pivot,” while its GDP rebounded.

Covid controls tighten in Beijing​

Local authorities in China have faced the difficult task of trying to make Covid measures more targeted, while controlling infections.
As of Monday, about 412 million people were affected by lockdown measures in mainland China, according to Nomura estimates. That’s up from 340 million the prior week, the report said.

The Nomura analysts noted that many lockdowns or controls are implemented without public announcement. “We believe [the southwestern municipality of] Chongqing is currently experiencing the most severe local lockdown in China, based on our observation of numerous mobility metrics,” the report said.

Covid controls in Beijing alone have tightened since Tuesday.

Authorities announced requirements for more frequent virus testing, and ordered more restaurants to suspend in-store dining. More shopping malls have closed, as have large parks. Various apartment compounds have been locked down.

State media said Tuesday the city’s tech-focused Zhongguancun Forum that was scheduled to kick off this week will be postponed to next year. The conference had already been delayed from September.





@F-22Raptor @Hamartia Antidote @beijingwalker @Beast terrible situation In China, people in lockdown are jumping out of windows to their death.
 
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China may have ‘passed the point of no return’ as Covid infections soar
  • In the last few days, the mainland China daily Covid case count has climbed to around or more than 28,000 — near levels seen in April during a stringent lockdown in Shanghai, according to CNBC calculations of Wind Information data.
  • “China might have already passed the point of no return, as it’s unlikely to achieve zero Covid again without another Shanghai-style hard lockdown,” Macquarie’s Chief China Economist Larry Hu said in a report Tuesday.
  • In GDP terms, nearly 20% of China’s economy was negatively affected by Covid controls as of Monday, close to the high of 21.2% recorded in mid-April during Shanghai’s lockdown, Nomura’s Chief China Economist Ting Lu said, citing the firm’s model.

BEIJING — Surging Covid infections across mainland China make it harder for the government to achieve zero-Covid without reverting to a harsh lockdown, Macquarie’s Chief China Economist Larry Hu said.

In the last few days, the daily case count has climbed to around or more than 28,000 — near levels seen in April during a stringent lockdown in Shanghai, according to CNBC calculations of Wind Information data. The figures showed the last time mainland China saw only a handful of daily infections was in June, shortly after Shanghai eased its restrictions.

The latest Covid wave has hit the southern city of Guangzhou, the capital city of Beijing and many central parts of China — prompting local officials to tighten restrictions on business and social activity this month.

“China might have already passed the point of no return, as it’s unlikely to achieve zero Covid again without another Shanghai-style hard lockdown,” Hu said in a report Tuesday. “What policymakers could do now is to slow the spread of virus, i.e. flatten the curve, by tightening the Covid controls for the time being.”

Hu pointed to slight changes this month in government policy and propaganda as signs authorities are preparing for reopening in the next six to nine months. But he noted that “the road to reopening is set to involve lots of back-and-forth.”

Markets have speculated for weeks about the timing of China’s departure from its stringent zero-Covid policy. The controls have weighed on the economy, which barely eked out growth while Shanghai was locked down and has posted growth of only 3% during the first three quarters of the year.

In GDP terms, nearly 20% of China’s economy was negatively affected by Covid controls as of Monday, close to the high of 21.2% recorded in mid-April during Shanghai’s lockdown, Nomura’s Chief China Economist Ting Lu said, citing the firm’s model.

“Beijing has recently shown early signs of willingness to reopen, and it has rolled out some fine-tuning measures, but the reopening may be a prolonged process with discomfort,” Lu said in a separate report this week.
He said Vietnam’s unwinding of its Covid restrictions since fall last year could shed light on the path forward for China. He noted how the Southeast Asian country saw “no immediate surge in infections after the pivot,” while its GDP rebounded.

Covid controls tighten in Beijing​

Local authorities in China have faced the difficult task of trying to make Covid measures more targeted, while controlling infections.
As of Monday, about 412 million people were affected by lockdown measures in mainland China, according to Nomura estimates. That’s up from 340 million the prior week, the report said.

The Nomura analysts noted that many lockdowns or controls are implemented without public announcement. “We believe [the southwestern municipality of] Chongqing is currently experiencing the most severe local lockdown in China, based on our observation of numerous mobility metrics,” the report said.

Covid controls in Beijing alone have tightened since Tuesday.

Authorities announced requirements for more frequent virus testing, and ordered more restaurants to suspend in-store dining. More shopping malls have closed, as have large parks. Various apartment compounds have been locked down.

State media said Tuesday the city’s tech-focused Zhongguancun Forum that was scheduled to kick off this week will be postponed to next year. The conference had already been delayed from September.





@F-22Raptor @Hamartia Antidote @beijingwalker @Beast terrible situation In China, people in lockdown are jumping out of windows to their death.
Why are they so strict? Here Covid was pretty much forgotten for over a year
 
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Why are they so strict? Here Covid was pretty much forgotten for over a year

They are likely trying to defensively train their population for a future doomsday biological warfare attack that will have no vaccine protection. Covid is a smokescreen for live drills.
 
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‘passed the point of no return’​


What does it mean? Will a million people die in a year? Alarmist Idioms without explanation just appear hyperbole.
 
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They are likely trying to defensively train their population for a future doomsday biological warfare attack that will have no vaccine protection. Covid is a smokescreen for live drills.
A biological warfare attack is a stupid concept, nukes can at least target specific places, deadly biological diseases would just spread around the world.

Unless someone's able to target specific genes.
 
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Covid - what covid?

I thought we were all done with covid ?

Covid is pretty much over with in the UK and we are all living normal lives here - has been the case for the last 8+ months now.....

Why can't China beat covid like the west has already????? Why is it struggling against the fight against covid??

So much for Chinese efficiency and superioty is all matters in all spheres etc? @beijingwalker ?
 
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Just how long is China going to keep this up?

It is going to wreck it's economy.

The only solution is to let the virus spread unimpeded through its population and then achieve "herd immunity".

BD has been at "herd immunity" since February and it's "vulnerable" is being protected by the fact that the young and healthy population has developed natural immunity.

No point sacrificing the future of the young to save some old people.
 
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Just how long is China going to keep this up?

It is going to wreck it's economy.

The only solution is to let the virus spread unimpeded through its population and then achieve "herd immunity".

BD has been at "herd immunity" since February and it's "vulnerable" is being protected by the fact that the young and healthy population has developed natural immunity.

No point sacrificing the future of the young to save some old people.

Whatever they are doing, its good for India, Vietnam and other countries. I just wish our government was efficient enough to draw attention of all manufacturing jobs.
 
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@beijingwalker honestly this is horrible


What's going on mane? China is crumbling in front of our eyes. Please both of you guys @beijingwalker @Beast stay outta trouble, take care, and stay vigilant. Good luck.
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Here is a dose of reality, 12'000 Americans died on 11 Nov and 90'000 Americans have died from Covid since the much ridiculed Shanghai lockdown and 1'090'000 Americans have died since the also much ridiculed Wuhan lockdown in 2020. These are tested and reported cases, do you know how many were not reported? Btw, Chinese economy grew 3% on average every quarter in 2022. At the peak of the Shanghai lockdown which was draconian compared to the milder isolations now, less than 1% of China was under lockdown while 99% were open. The Chinese government is not stupid, we are adapting.
 
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Anyone who believes Chinese government is stupid on the covid policy himself is either stupid or with vicious purpose to China. I do trust Chinese government makes its policies on scientific basis.
 
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