China may export J-10B fighters with Russian AL31FN-S3 engines to Pakistan

[DJ_Viper]

Didn't Mushy sign a deal to procure 36 J-10s?

Was the deal scrapped? Anyone know what happened?

Sir, I think the PAF is after the stealth optimized JF-18 (or block IV of the JFT program) and acquiring some J-31 to form the hi-tier of the stealth. It makes sense. The JFT pretty much does what the J-10B does. So why pay so much when you can get the tech for the JFT instead and upgrade in house?

Is India seriously considering the F-35 even though it's heavily invested in T-50 project?

Sir, India will buy the F-35. You can mark my words and remember them

 

[4GTejasBVR]

Sir, I think the PAF is after the stealth optimized JF-18 (or block IV of the JFT program) and acquiring some J-31 to form the hi-tier of the stealth. It makes sense. The JFT pretty much does what the J-10B does. So why pay so much when you can get the tech for the JFT instead and upgrade in house?



Sir, India will buy the F-35. You can mark my words and remember them

F35 don't have any roles to play in IAF same tasks can be carried out by Rafale and sukoi armed with bramos. But For Navy F35 is a mint. Think about some 40 F35 ready to bomb enemies fleet or their naval bases. !!!

 

[graphican]

A non-Pakistani/Chinese YouTube Channel by the name Gallery Military in a recent video claimed that Pakistan has purchased two squardons of J-10s.

Published on 16 Mar 2017
Pakistan and China have been cooperating for a number of years on the JF-17/ FC-1 Thunder, a low-medium performance, low-cost aircraft that has attracted interest and orders from a number of 3rd World air forces. In November 2016, a long-rumored deal was announced for China’s Jian-10/ FC-20 4+ generation fighter, whose overall performance compares well with the F-16C/D Block 52 aircraft that Pakistan has ordered from the United States.
The J-10 has been reported as a derivative of the 1980s Israeli Lavi project, and reportedly incorporates an Israeli fly-by-wire control base that was transferred in the project’s early years. The change in relations that followed the Tienanmen Square massacre hurt the J-10 project badly, however, forcing the replacement of planned Western avionics and engines with Chinese and Russian equipment. The required redesign was very extensive, affected all areas of the airframe, and took over a decade, amounting to the development of a new aircraft. The first operational J-10 unit entered service with the PLAAF
China has reportedly ordered 100 J-10s to date. The initial Pakistani order is for 2 squadrons, but could expand as technical cooperation and orders increase. The $1+ billion sale represents the J-10’s first export order… but almost certainly not its last.

 

[帅的一匹]

China has more than 400 J10A/S/b/c in operation. Look at this one, PLAAF J10c with WS10A engine in patrol : credit to @cirr

I think J10c with WS10A engine had started to get LRIP.

Means WS10A is fully matured.

A non-Pakistani/Chinese YouTube Channel by the name Gallery Military in a recent video claimed that Pakistan has purchased two squardons of J-10s.

Published on 16 Mar 2017
Pakistan and China have been cooperating for a number of years on the JF-17/ FC-1 Thunder, a low-medium performance, low-cost aircraft that has attracted interest and orders from a number of 3rd World air forces. In November 2016, a long-rumored deal was announced for China’s Jian-10/ FC-20 4+ generation fighter, whose overall performance compares well with the F-16C/D Block 52 aircraft that Pakistan has ordered from the United States.
The J-10 has been reported as a derivative of the 1980s Israeli Lavi project, and reportedly incorporates an Israeli fly-by-wire control base that was transferred in the project’s early years. The change in relations that followed the Tienanmen Square massacre hurt the J-10 project badly, however, forcing the replacement of planned Western avionics and engines with Chinese and Russian equipment. The required redesign was very extensive, affected all areas of the airframe, and took over a decade, amounting to the development of a new aircraft. The first operational J-10 unit entered service with the PLAAF
China has reportedly ordered 100 J-10s to date. The initial Pakistani order is for 2 squadrons, but could expand as technical cooperation and orders increase. The $1+ billion sale represents the J-10’s first export order… but almost certainly not its last.

I won't be surprise if the J10b deal go through. This might be signed to compensate for the late delivery of F16.

 

[ejaz007]

A non-Pakistani/Chinese YouTube Channel by the name Gallery Military in a recent video claimed that Pakistan has purchased two squardons of J-10s.

Published on 16 Mar 2017
Pakistan and China have been cooperating for a number of years on the JF-17/ FC-1 Thunder, a low-medium performance, low-cost aircraft that has attracted interest and orders from a number of 3rd World air forces. In November 2016, a long-rumored deal was announced for China’s Jian-10/ FC-20 4+ generation fighter, whose overall performance compares well with the F-16C/D Block 52 aircraft that Pakistan has ordered from the United States.
The J-10 has been reported as a derivative of the 1980s Israeli Lavi project, and reportedly incorporates an Israeli fly-by-wire control base that was transferred in the project’s early years. The change in relations that followed the Tienanmen Square massacre hurt the J-10 project badly, however, forcing the replacement of planned Western avionics and engines with Chinese and Russian equipment. The required redesign was very extensive, affected all areas of the airframe, and took over a decade, amounting to the development of a new aircraft. The first operational J-10 unit entered service with the PLAAF
China has reportedly ordered 100 J-10s to date. The initial Pakistani order is for 2 squadrons, but could expand as technical cooperation and orders increase. The $1+ billion sale represents the J-10’s first export order… but almost certainly not its last.

Defense Industry Daily reported the same thing years a go. Even the article seems to be the same.

Pakistan Buying Chinese J-10 Fighters
Nov 11, 2009 22:11 UTC by Defense Industry Daily staff


J-10S
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Pakistan and China have been cooperating for a number of years on the JF-17/ FC-1 Thunder, a low-medium performance, low-cost aircraft that has attracted interest and orders from a number of 3rd World air forces. In November 2009, a long-rumored deal was announced for China’s Jian-10/ FC-20 4+ generation fighter

, whose overall performance compares well with the F-16C/D Block 52 aircraft that Pakistan has ordered from the United States.

The J-10 has been reported as a derivative of the 1980s Israeli Lavi project, and reportedly incorporates an Israeli fly-by-wire control base that was transferred in the project’s early years. The change in relations that followed the Tienanmen Square massacre hurt the J-10 project badly, however, forcing the replacement of planned Western avionics and engines with Chinese and Russian equipment. The required redesign was very extensive, affected all areas of the airframe, and took over a decade, amounting to the development of a new aircraft. The first operational J-10 unit entered service with the PLAAF in July 2004.

China has reportedly ordered 100 J-10s to date. The initial Pakistani order is for 2 squadrons, but could expand as technical cooperation and orders increase. The $1+ billion sale represents the J-10’s first export order… but almost certainly not its last.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Pakistan-Buying-Chinese-J-10-Fighters-05937/

 

[aftab_s81]

The writer of this article has missed a decade, seems he was sleeping.

 

[Michael Corleone]

China may export its J-10B fighter equipped with the Russian-built AL31FN-S3 engine to Pakistan and other potential buyers from Asia, Latin America and Africa in the near future, writes the Kanwa Defense Review, a Chinese-language military magazine based in Canada.

Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group last year began the mass production of the J-10B fighters. A total of 14 of the jets have already been painted with PLA Air Force markings and turned over to the military while at least 10 aircraft are undergoing test flights. Kanwa said the PLA Air Force will eventually commission 24 J-10Bs to form a fighter regiment before the end of the year.

Designed as the upgraded version of the J-10 fighter, the J-10B is the first domestically designed aircraft fitted with a diverterless supersonic inlet to shield the engine compressor blades from radar waves. The article also noticed that new electronic warfare systems can also been in front of the canards and atop the vertical stabilizer. With infra-red search and track sensors, the aircraft can also carry out reconnaissance operations.

Russia has agreed to sell advanced AL31FN engines to China to improve the J-10B’s power systems and the first batch of the engines is expected this year. This will increase the life of the aircraft from the J-10A’s 500 flight hours to the J-10B’s 750 hours. As China begins to introduce more Russian engines in the future, all J-10B aircraft will be fitted with the AL31FN.

Source : Want China Times

* That' s the engine, which is game changer. Same engine is used in all Russian and Chinese stealth fighters/bombers. Plus same same type used in SU30/35. Same engine is modified for TVC. If Russia approve this engine, then for sure this plane will be in Pak fleet. If PAF has no other issues.

wait what? only 750hr of airframe life?

 

[Path-Finder]

A non-Pakistani/Chinese YouTube Channel by the name Gallery Military in a recent video claimed that Pakistan has purchased two squardons of J-10s.

Published on 16 Mar 2017
Pakistan and China have been cooperating for a number of years on the JF-17/ FC-1 Thunder, a low-medium performance, low-cost aircraft that has attracted interest and orders from a number of 3rd World air forces. In November 2016, a long-rumored deal was announced for China’s Jian-10/ FC-20 4+ generation fighter, whose overall performance compares well with the F-16C/D Block 52 aircraft that Pakistan has ordered from the United States.
The J-10 has been reported as a derivative of the 1980s Israeli Lavi project, and reportedly incorporates an Israeli fly-by-wire control base that was transferred in the project’s early years. The change in relations that followed the Tienanmen Square massacre hurt the J-10 project badly, however, forcing the replacement of planned Western avionics and engines with Chinese and Russian equipment. The required redesign was very extensive, affected all areas of the airframe, and took over a decade, amounting to the development of a new aircraft. The first operational J-10 unit entered service with the PLAAF
China has reportedly ordered 100 J-10s to date. The initial Pakistani order is for 2 squadrons, but could expand as technical cooperation and orders increase. The $1+ billion sale represents the J-10’s first export order… but almost certainly not its last.

How solid is this news? interest and speculations on J10 go waaaaaay back!

 

[Russell]

wait what? only 750hr of airframe life?

engine operational lifetime before overhaul...this article is old...

even in 2011 - they were saying that had been extended...

the original AL-31 was good for 900 hours of operation. Chinese engineers figured out how to tweak the design of the engine so that it would last for 1,500 hours. Russia has since improved their basic AL-31 lifetime to 1,500 hours, and, most recently, 2,000 hours.

I'm sure, it's even more now

 

[帅的一匹]

wait what? only 750hr of airframe life?

4000

Now the MTBO is 1500 hours, it makes steady progress.

the recent WS10B engine has dry thrust of
10 tons, wet 14.5-15.5tons(WS15 STAGE1, use WS15 tech from Institute 624 to enhance WS10 performance). The fully operational WS15 engine will have dry thrust 12 tons and wet thrust 18 tons.

China is the only country get access to CMF56 core and AL31 core both.

 

[Thorough Pro]

It looks like quite capable and maneuverable aircraft and can fill the gap of F-16 class fighter (if we don't get additional 2 squadrons of 16's) to supplement Thunders and future 5th gen fighter. Addition of two/three J-10 squadrons would go a long way in meeting number parity with the enemy

A non-Pakistani/Chinese YouTube Channel by the name Gallery Military in a recent video claimed that Pakistan has purchased two squardons of J-10s.

Published on 16 Mar 2017
Pakistan and China have been cooperating for a number of years on the JF-17/ FC-1 Thunder, a low-medium performance, low-cost aircraft that has attracted interest and orders from a number of 3rd World air forces. In November 2016, a long-rumored deal was announced for China’s Jian-10/ FC-20 4+ generation fighter, whose overall performance compares well with the F-16C/D Block 52 aircraft that Pakistan has ordered from the United States.
The J-10 has been reported as a derivative of the 1980s Israeli Lavi project, and reportedly incorporates an Israeli fly-by-wire control base that was transferred in the project’s early years. The change in relations that followed the Tienanmen Square massacre hurt the J-10 project badly, however, forcing the replacement of planned Western avionics and engines with Chinese and Russian equipment. The required redesign was very extensive, affected all areas of the airframe, and took over a decade, amounting to the development of a new aircraft. The first operational J-10 unit entered service with the PLAAF
China has reportedly ordered 100 J-10s to date. The initial Pakistani order is for 2 squadrons, but could expand as technical cooperation and orders increase. The $1+ billion sale represents the J-10’s first export order… but almost certainly not its last.

 

[graphican]

Pakistan delayed its J-10 decision because MMRCA was heading no where and they probably didn't want to create a sense of urgency in Indian strategists by releasing the news first.

But it was always thought that Pakistan would make a purchase after India finalises its Rafael deal, which is now done. India is getting 36 Rafael but we didn't hear anything from Pakistani side.

 

[帅的一匹]

Pakistan delayed its J-10 decision because MMRCA was heading no where and they probably didn't want to create a sense of urgency in Indian strategists by releasing the news first.

But it was always thought that Pakistan would make a purchase after India finalises its Rafael deal, which is now done. India is getting 36 Rafael but we didn't hear anything from Pakistani side.

Yeh. At the same time IAF's 5th gen project is got stuck with Russian. I see PAF will not be in a hurry to go for FC31. J10b is at PAF's call for so many years.

USA had promised to India that if they Induct the F16 assembly line, USA will not export F16 to Pakistan anymore. Time to go for J10b. For dignity and strategic flexibility.

China has true love for Pakistan, USA doesn't. We are waiting for PAF's call.

It doesn't make sense if PAF insist on buying fighter from someone ready to backstab.

 

[graphican]

Doesn't make sense if PAF insist on buying fighter from someone ready to backstab.

I agree with the red part, but inducting more F-16s is financially a cheaper option and easy to do vs Inducting any new platform.

But its a call Pakistan has to make anyway... F-16s can be sanctioned and with every passing day, USA is feeling compelled to cooperate with India more. We know Indians have two sides in their head... one that loves their country (perhapes) but one that hates Pakistan (for sure) - and Indians with more influence over US will definitely do their bit. We just saw how Indians died their souls off to stop sale of 8 units of F-16s. Now what they would not try to do when they have greater influence over America.

 

[Readerdefence]

China has more than 400 J10A/S/b/c in operation. Look at this one, PLAAF J10c with WS10A engine in patrol : credit to @cirr

I think J10c with WS10A engine had started to get LRIP.

Means WS10A is fully matured.


I won't be surprise if the J10b deal go through. This might be signed to compensate for the late delivery of F16.

J10b is not using AESA so why not to go for j10c with AESA