China Joins Russia, Orders Military To Prepare For World War III
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Its obvious that this was going to happen I have been talking about it for some time. Western economies need it, Russia & china can not afford to ignore western interventions I even suggested it last week on this thread:
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
One would have thought that Americans would have learned to be prudent about the unintended consequences of their actions by now.
After the case of Roe v. Wade which legalised abortion in America in 1973. Americans were surprised that some 15 to 20 years later that there were steep reductions in crime rates. Later studies have suggested there is a link between the two. Simply unwanted children often fatherless were more inclined to commit crime in their teens. When the learned judges made this decision to legalise abortion they could not have dreamt of the effect on crime rates.
The Pakistani ISI proved itself to be a master chef in the eighties in the way they created an unpalatable meal for the Soviets which not only led to the withdrawal of the Soviets from Afghanistan but contributed to the eventual collapse of the Soviet system,. The ingredients included in this meal were American & Saudi money,Waabbi ideology, American weapons. The Saudi American & Pakistani“friends” revelled in their success. However this “success” was short lived because in particular the Americans didn't want to get involved in washing the dishes. They were happy to provide the ingredients, assist the cook but cleaning up after dinner was below them.
Not in the wildest dreams of the Americans could they foresee the unintended consequences.
With the demise of the Soviets the world entered a unipolar world with just one superpower America. But the seeds of destruction of the American empire had been sown by the Americans themselves.
1. It is now commonly accepted that the Americans were complicit in the creation of the Taleban/Al qaeda Frankenstein[ii]. The defeat of a superpower by irregulars was clearly a lesson that Osama & co took to heart. If they could destroy the Soviets why not the Americans?
2. It was the designation of Pakistan as a frontline state in the eighties by the Americans against Soviet expansion that enabled Pakistan to avoid first sanctions and second avoid a destruction of nuclear facilities by Israel/India/America a la Saddam’s Iraq style. Simply American actions allowed Pakistan get through the most sensitive stage of developing of nuclear weapons [iii].
The attack on the twin towers by Al Qaeda was not chosen as a random target. It was specifically chosen because it was recognised as symbol of western capitalism[iv]. Osama wanted to bleed america to death. He wanted America to leave arab lands because they would no longer be able to afford to finance wars in distant lands.
America’s disproportionate response to the twin towers attack; the invasion of Iraq & Afghanistan is estimated to have cost in the region of 4 trillion US dollars [v]. No one can deny the macroeconomic [vi]effects of the attack itself.
Osama it would appear has died but it would appear Americans are being bled to death. Today America has official unemployment standing at 9.2% in reality nearer 17% [vii]. One in six in america on food stamps [viii]. America today has a unsustainable deficit of $14 trillion plus.
If the US dollar was not the reserve currency America would be bankrupt as the French finance Minister Giscard d’estaing said in the sixties the reserve currency allows America the exorbitant privilege. This is what allow Americans to undertake quantitive easing aka printing money and get away with it.
There are two countries in the world that could destroy the US dollar as reserve currency overnight that is Saudi and China. If Saudis refused to accept the US dollar for their oil or if the Chinese started dumping the dollar that would be the end. However Saudis and Chinese would not be left unscathed themselves by these actions. If US dollar was not reserve currency a gallon of petrol in America would go over $100. Americans would be unable to fuel their weapons of terror like the F16’s. Even if Saudis and China were to take no action but continue decreasing their reliance on the dollar I estimate that the tipping point for the US$ will be reached within 10 years [ix].
Has Osama in death succeeded. Will historians in future years look back and say he struck the first fatal blow at Pax America
Clearly we are rapidly approaching the end of Pax America. America is on the demise and China is on the rise. Sometime in the future China will take over the role of world leader. This is inevitable as the sun rises. Its just a question of time. In the past empires have clashed and there has always been war and misery whenever the baton is exchanged. You may well think that America and British empire exchanged the baton peacefully. But this is not the case. Only Hitler and the Germans stopped direct hostilities between the British empire. In fact in 1930 America was making preparations to attack the British[x].
The big question is can Americans accept the new world order where they and white English speaking countries will not have the edge and control world resources.
We live in a world today that is often described as a global village. To me this just means that a steady osmosis has been taking place since the early nineties. Its like mixing water with a dye. It was happening because the dye and water were in contact, but the effect of the global village is to shake the bottle and mix the dye and water quickly and completely at a quicker rate. It is inevitable that this osmosis will see a redistribution of wealth and resources. The richer Americans will get poorer, the poorer Chinese will become richer etc. It is unlikely that the average Chinese will be as rich as the average American today. But the Chinese will be better off and the American worse off. The Americans or Europeans will will face greater difficult in adjusting as they are not used to hardship.
The west and or Americans use notions of democracy and human rights to try to gain the moral high ground which in reality is just an anaesthetic to soothe the collective conceience of the remnants' of the population of the Judeo Christian empire. When the writer refers to a country the reference is to the relevant countries government. The writer feels the necessity to say this because although America prides itself in that it is a democracy its foreign policy is dictated by a displined small number of American Jews (hense the demonising of Pakistan the only moslem country with nukes) with the majority of American people living in the ignorance fed on a daily diet of propaganda from the likes of Fox news. In the UK 75% of the electorate chose not to vote or vote against the present incumbent. Yet the govt can and does lead the UK into war. It is asserted that if such a thing as democracy existed wars would not exist. People do not choose to go to war. Governments decide to go to war. It is submitted the western notions of fairness and human rights are just a cloak for their nefarious designs.
Its with this background that we have to see American actions in the rest of the world including Iraq Afghanistan and Libya. It would seem that Syria Pakistan and Iran could soon be recipients of the American way of life in the near future. If Americans were to succeed in having their way in Afghanistan and Pakistan it would seriously threaten China bearing in mind that India is already friendly towards America. It would be a serious setback to Chinese in that supply routes could be closed by America at will.
China & Russia are probably the only two militaries that can afford to take America on and make Americans think twice. I say this because China & Russia are the only two countries that can threaten the American mainland with nuclear weapons.
I am not suggesting that they would necessarily win against America but they could certainly cause Americans unacceptable damage.
One can not help notice that when Russia took action against Georgia who Americans and Nato were making friendly overtures to Americans and Nato did little to help Georgia who they had earlier encouraged to be boisterous towards Russia. The American therefore can be pragmatic when pushed and their bluff is called.
American sabre rattling on Iran is not being ignored by Russia & China. Both have prevented Iran from being completely isolated. The Chinese and Russians were not happy with what happened in Libya and are unlikely to be conned again. The movement towards Syria by Russian assets and the refusal by Russians to accept missiles near their borders must not be ignored as the wishfull dreams of power by a former superpower.
With Putin about to be re-elected in Russia makes the way for a more assertive Russia when it comes to America. The only time there seemed that coordination was lacking between Medev and Putin was on the Libyan action and it was clear that Putin thought Nato’s actions were unacceptable and likened Natos actions to the Crusaders [xi].
I believe that the Chinese & Russians are keeping a close eye on what is happening and may coordinate their actions to prevent this
The danger is that Americans and Europe are in financial crisis and may need to get more adventurous in their search for stealing third world resources and influence and may use force. Will they risk the ire of China and or Russia? They will not in my opinion accept a new order that is not dominated by American, European and white English speaking countries? Could they? Will they risk WW3 with nukes?
Many will see a war hot or cold unlikely, because why should China or Russia risk their own assets for Pakistan, Iran etc? Could China not just keep rising without a war? My take is that the west can see what is going to happen ie if they dont take some sort of action they will no longer lead the world. If they keep managing to get away with their adventures in due course China & Russia will be targets.
.
Lawrence Freeman from the Executive Intelligence Review magazine [xii]has stated that
“President Obama is acting on a British geopolitical plan to force a confrontation with Russia and China, a military confrontation of which Syrian and Iran would nearly be the ignition point. But the real goal is a war to stop the progress that Russia and China are engulfed in” .
I think in the face of this alliance Russia has a key part to play and America when it realises its losing may try bribing Russia. After all the Russians are white at least.
Will Russia & China have the foresight to prevent American and Nato from stealing and controlling the world resources before its too late?
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JJ Donohue, Steven levitt
[ii]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/jan/17/yemen.islam
[iii]http://www.npolicy.org/userfiles/image/Could%20Anything%20Be%20Done%20to%20Stop%20Them.pd f
[iv]How-safe-should-we-feel-about-the-terrorist-threat
[v]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/war-on-terror-set-to-surpass-cost-of-second-world-war-2304497.html
[vi]http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_wp_impacts_911.pdf
[vii]http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/learn-how-to-invest/The-real-unemployment-rate.aspx
[viii]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57328305/americas-new-poor/
[ix]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
[x]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039453/How-America-planned-destroy-BRITAIN-1930-bombing-raids-chemical-weapons.html
[xi] Video: Putin likens Libya air strikes to 'crusades' - Telegraph
[xii]http://rt.com/news/syria-iran-russia-china-921/
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
One would have thought that Americans would have learned to be prudent about the unintended consequences of their actions by now.
After the case of Roe v. Wade which legalised abortion in America in 1973. Americans were surprised that some 15 to 20 years later that there were steep reductions in crime rates. Later studies have suggested there is a link between the two. Simply unwanted children often fatherless were more inclined to commit crime in their teens. When the learned judges made this decision to legalise abortion they could not have dreamt of the effect on crime rates.
The Pakistani ISI proved itself to be a master chef in the eighties in the way they created an unpalatable meal for the Soviets which not only led to the withdrawal of the Soviets from Afghanistan but contributed to the eventual collapse of the Soviet system,. The ingredients included in this meal were American & Saudi money,Waabbi ideology, American weapons. The Saudi American & Pakistani“friends” revelled in their success. However this “success” was short lived because in particular the Americans didn't want to get involved in washing the dishes. They were happy to provide the ingredients, assist the cook but cleaning up after dinner was below them.
Not in the wildest dreams of the Americans could they foresee the unintended consequences.
With the demise of the Soviets the world entered a unipolar world with just one superpower America. But the seeds of destruction of the American empire had been sown by the Americans themselves.
1. It is now commonly accepted that the Americans were complicit in the creation of the Taleban/Al qaeda Frankenstein[ii]. The defeat of a superpower by irregulars was clearly a lesson that Osama & co took to heart. If they could destroy the Soviets why not the Americans?
2. It was the designation of Pakistan as a frontline state in the eighties by the Americans against Soviet expansion that enabled Pakistan to avoid first sanctions and second avoid a destruction of nuclear facilities by Israel/India/America a la Saddam’s Iraq style. Simply American actions allowed Pakistan get through the most sensitive stage of developing of nuclear weapons [iii].
The attack on the twin towers by Al Qaeda was not chosen as a random target. It was specifically chosen because it was recognised as symbol of western capitalism[iv]. Osama wanted to bleed america to death. He wanted America to leave arab lands because they would no longer be able to afford to finance wars in distant lands.
America’s disproportionate response to the twin towers attack; the invasion of Iraq & Afghanistan is estimated to have cost in the region of 4 trillion US dollars [v]. No one can deny the macroeconomic [vi]effects of the attack itself.
Osama it would appear has died but it would appear Americans are being bled to death. Today America has official unemployment standing at 9.2% in reality nearer 17% [vii]. One in six in america on food stamps [viii]. America today has a unsustainable deficit of $14 trillion plus.
If the US dollar was not the reserve currency America would be bankrupt as the French finance Minister Giscard d’estaing said in the sixties the reserve currency allows America the exorbitant privilege. This is what allow Americans to undertake quantitive easing aka printing money and get away with it.
There are two countries in the world that could destroy the US dollar as reserve currency overnight that is Saudi and China. If Saudis refused to accept the US dollar for their oil or if the Chinese started dumping the dollar that would be the end. However Saudis and Chinese would not be left unscathed themselves by these actions. If US dollar was not reserve currency a gallon of petrol in America would go over $100. Americans would be unable to fuel their weapons of terror like the F16’s. Even if Saudis and China were to take no action but continue decreasing their reliance on the dollar I estimate that the tipping point for the US$ will be reached within 10 years [ix].
Has Osama in death succeeded. Will historians in future years look back and say he struck the first fatal blow at Pax America
Clearly we are rapidly approaching the end of Pax America. America is on the demise and China is on the rise. Sometime in the future China will take over the role of world leader. This is inevitable as the sun rises. Its just a question of time. In the past empires have clashed and there has always been war and misery whenever the baton is exchanged. You may well think that America and British empire exchanged the baton peacefully. But this is not the case. Only Hitler and the Germans stopped direct hostilities between the British empire. In fact in 1930 America was making preparations to attack the British[x].
The big question is can Americans accept the new world order where they and white English speaking countries will not have the edge and control world resources.
We live in a world today that is often described as a global village. To me this just means that a steady osmosis has been taking place since the early nineties. Its like mixing water with a dye. It was happening because the dye and water were in contact, but the effect of the global village is to shake the bottle and mix the dye and water quickly and completely at a quicker rate. It is inevitable that this osmosis will see a redistribution of wealth and resources. The richer Americans will get poorer, the poorer Chinese will become richer etc. It is unlikely that the average Chinese will be as rich as the average American today. But the Chinese will be better off and the American worse off. The Americans or Europeans will will face greater difficult in adjusting as they are not used to hardship.
The west and or Americans use notions of democracy and human rights to try to gain the moral high ground which in reality is just an anaesthetic to soothe the collective conceience of the remnants' of the population of the Judeo Christian empire. When the writer refers to a country the reference is to the relevant countries government. The writer feels the necessity to say this because although America prides itself in that it is a democracy its foreign policy is dictated by a displined small number of American Jews (hense the demonising of Pakistan the only moslem country with nukes) with the majority of American people living in the ignorance fed on a daily diet of propaganda from the likes of Fox news. In the UK 75% of the electorate chose not to vote or vote against the present incumbent. Yet the govt can and does lead the UK into war. It is asserted that if such a thing as democracy existed wars would not exist. People do not choose to go to war. Governments decide to go to war. It is submitted the western notions of fairness and human rights are just a cloak for their nefarious designs.
Its with this background that we have to see American actions in the rest of the world including Iraq Afghanistan and Libya. It would seem that Syria Pakistan and Iran could soon be recipients of the American way of life in the near future. If Americans were to succeed in having their way in Afghanistan and Pakistan it would seriously threaten China bearing in mind that India is already friendly towards America. It would be a serious setback to Chinese in that supply routes could be closed by America at will.
China & Russia are probably the only two militaries that can afford to take America on and make Americans think twice. I say this because China & Russia are the only two countries that can threaten the American mainland with nuclear weapons.
I am not suggesting that they would necessarily win against America but they could certainly cause Americans unacceptable damage.
One can not help notice that when Russia took action against Georgia who Americans and Nato were making friendly overtures to Americans and Nato did little to help Georgia who they had earlier encouraged to be boisterous towards Russia. The American therefore can be pragmatic when pushed and their bluff is called.
American sabre rattling on Iran is not being ignored by Russia & China. Both have prevented Iran from being completely isolated. The Chinese and Russians were not happy with what happened in Libya and are unlikely to be conned again. The movement towards Syria by Russian assets and the refusal by Russians to accept missiles near their borders must not be ignored as the wishfull dreams of power by a former superpower.
With Putin about to be re-elected in Russia makes the way for a more assertive Russia when it comes to America. The only time there seemed that coordination was lacking between Medev and Putin was on the Libyan action and it was clear that Putin thought Nato’s actions were unacceptable and likened Natos actions to the Crusaders [xi].
I believe that the Chinese & Russians are keeping a close eye on what is happening and may coordinate their actions to prevent this
The danger is that Americans and Europe are in financial crisis and may need to get more adventurous in their search for stealing third world resources and influence and may use force. Will they risk the ire of China and or Russia? They will not in my opinion accept a new order that is not dominated by American, European and white English speaking countries? Could they? Will they risk WW3 with nukes?
Many will see a war hot or cold unlikely, because why should China or Russia risk their own assets for Pakistan, Iran etc? Could China not just keep rising without a war? My take is that the west can see what is going to happen ie if they dont take some sort of action they will no longer lead the world. If they keep managing to get away with their adventures in due course China & Russia will be targets.
.
Lawrence Freeman from the Executive Intelligence Review magazine [xii]has stated that
“President Obama is acting on a British geopolitical plan to force a confrontation with Russia and China, a military confrontation of which Syrian and Iran would nearly be the ignition point. But the real goal is a war to stop the progress that Russia and China are engulfed in” .
I think in the face of this alliance Russia has a key part to play and America when it realises its losing may try bribing Russia. After all the Russians are white at least.
Will Russia & China have the foresight to prevent American and Nato from stealing and controlling the world resources before its too late?
________________________________________
JJ Donohue, Steven levitt
[ii]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/jan/17/yemen.islam
[iii]http://www.npolicy.org/userfiles/image/Could%20Anything%20Be%20Done%20to%20Stop%20Them.pd f
[iv]How-safe-should-we-feel-about-the-terrorist-threat
[v]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/war-on-terror-set-to-surpass-cost-of-second-world-war-2304497.html
[vi]http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_wp_impacts_911.pdf
[vii]http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/learn-how-to-invest/The-real-unemployment-rate.aspx
[viii]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57328305/americas-new-poor/
[ix]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
[x]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039453/How-America-planned-destroy-BRITAIN-1930-bombing-raids-chemical-weapons.html
[xi] Video: Putin likens Libya air strikes to 'crusades' - Telegraph
[xii]http://rt.com/news/syria-iran-russia-china-921/
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Not to disappoint the already deluded, but the article finally traces back to one sorcha faal, an internet ''reporter'' that does not exist, let alone having access to this grand secret plan by russia and china.
But people still publish christina palmer stories and actually think angels fly. such threads are good to keep them busy elsewhere. Good.
But people still publish christina palmer stories and actually think angels fly. such threads are good to keep them busy elsewhere. Good.
It is a fact that if west continue in their adventures and are allowed to be succesfull in syria, iran pakistan etc this will have an adverse effect on russia and china. West already has bribed saudi royal family etc, Turkey is part of nato. Sooner or later china and russia will have to stand up. Mind you like all cowards and bullies america and west may well back down. As they did with Georgia. But then this scenario doesnt suit indians does it cos you were hoping to be wests lackeys in our neighbourhood and were hoping for a few crumbs of white mans table eh?
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Hopefully they will back down from Syria.
If Syria is down, then it means Iran is next.
Ok what about this
The situation in Syria is just a warm-up before a real confrontation, which will draw Russia and China into action, believes Lawrence Freeman from the Executive Intelligence Review magazine.
*Russia and China are rightly worried about what is behind the policy of the US and its allies in Syria and Iran, Freeman told RT.
“President Obama is acting on a British geopolitical plan to force a confrontation with Russia and China, a military confrontation of which Syrian and Iran would nearly be the ignition point,” Freeman explained. “But the real goal is a war to stop the progress that Russia and China are engulfed in.”
Lawrence Freeman says that the International Criminal Court is being used as an instrument to carry out regime change with a smoke screen of human rights protection.
“The Russians and the Chinese are seeing this played out again and they are beginning to respond,” he said. “Especially the Russians, they are responding militarily by sending the Kuznetsov aircraft carrier to the Syrian borders.”
It is a risky game, Freeman admits, but he thinks that Russians are aware of the danger of what could happen if they do not do it.
‘West’s policy on Syria could ignite WWIII’ — RT
Then go check what wikpedia says about who is making this statement that is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement
Executive Intelligence Review magazine
Periodicals and news agencies
The LaRouche organization has an extensive network of print and online publications for research and advocacy purposes.
[edit] Executive Intelligence Review
Main article: Executive Intelligence Review
The LaRouche movement maintains its own press service, Executive Intelligence Review. In 1985 it was referred to by Norman Bailey, a former senior staffer of the National Security Council, as "one of the best private intelligence services in the world."[167] According to its masthead, EIR maintains international bureaus in Bogotá, Berlin, Copenhagen, Lima, Melbourne, Mexico City, New Delhi, Paris, and Wiesbaden, in addition to various cities in the U.S. EIR staffers have provided testimony to various congressional committees,[168] and an archive of EIR is maintained by the British Library of Political and Economic Science.[169]
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Tell me CT why do you think Indian forum members are in denial about what is so obvious???
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what??
india is the only country in the world who have warm relation with rusia and US..
US dont create any problem to us because they need us to counter china..
Rusia dont create any problem to us because we are the closest ally of Rusia..
so dont need to be worried about us...
think about your country..
till then
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Many Indian members are the victims of the western propaganda machine.
They believe that the West is treating India as its true love interest.
If China is down, then the rest of the world will be the next victims of the West. Even Russia knows it, but India doesn't seem to get the clear picture yet.
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They recently have joined the feast so let them enjoy..
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Dude we know how to handle our diplomatic affairs we dont need to be guided so please stop worrying about us. The thread is on Syria stop posting
bullcr ap and stick to the topic.I think you are right but I think that the indian internet forum members more so than other nationalities are not a true representation of all indian population but a minority indian view ie those that can afford internet access
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It is difference that [if] China downs, then the rest of nations around its will have no more threats and bright futures. Don't you ever think about it?
yea americans will provide us with bright future like for iraqis and afghani. oh and like they did also in vietnam for you when chinese came to and rescued you from american joys
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Is that so, then I can presume that most of the anti-India hate that’s spewed by the Pakistan members on internet forums including this one, are not disproportionate to the views general population of Pakistan that does not have access to the internet am I right? I don’t think so. Please stop victimizing yourselves it isn’t working in the international arena. You reap what you sow, and its paying back exponentially.
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