China–Japan relations: creating a ‘sea of peace, cooperation and friendship’

[LeveragedBuyout]

@LeveragedBuyout

You haven't read carefully. "Noda and his party" is DPJ, Democratic Party of Japan. Never heard of Noda? Kan and Hatoyama?

Good, so we agree that DPJ is left-wing, and LDP is right-wing.

 

[Aepsilons]

Good, so we agree that DPJ is left-wing, and LDP is right-wing.

Now, as for the real reasons why Yomiuri is known by all to be a center-right newspaper:

Absolutely correct. Yomiuri Shimbun is center right. I should even mention that time and time again Yomiuri Shimbun has opposed DPJ , not to mention has been very clear on its opposition to de-nuclearization. Its just not an option that is viable.

Anyways, for those who want a clarification of this one can even review:

Yomiuri Shimbun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4) Yomiuri has taken a decidedly vague stance concerning Japanese atrocities committed during the war

If in reference to the apologetic stance regarding the comfort women issue, then yes, I will say that Yomiuri Shimbun has time and time again called for not only the stop of "unnecessary historical analysis" of war atrocities. In fact this is one of the reasons why more liberal media sources have reprimanded Yomiuri on the issue. To which it (Yomiuri Shimbun) has remained largely unresponsive to. It remains a very conservative media source, tho it has some opinion columnists that may confer opposition to current policies.

It behooves me how anyone would consider Yomiuri as Left leaning. Its like someone saying Fox News is popular amongst Democrats and Obama supporters. Either that person doesn't know Japanese society or have a comprehension of Japanese politics.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Absolutely correct. Yomiuri Shimbun is center right. I should even mention that time and time again Yomiuri Shimbun has opposed DPJ , not to mention has been very clear on its opposition to de-nuclearization. Its just not an option that is viable.

Anyways, for those who want a clarification of this one can even review:

Yomiuri Shimbun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



If in reference to the apologetic stance regarding the comfort women issue, then yes, I will say that Yomiuri Shimbun has time and time again called for not only the stop of "unnecessary historical analysis" of war atrocities. In fact this is one of the reasons why more liberal media sources have reprimanded Yomiuri on the issue. To which it (Yomiuri Shimbun) has remained largely unresponsive to. It remains a very conservative media source, tho it has some opinion columnists that may confer opposition to current policies.

It behooves me how anyone would consider Yomiuri as Left leaning. Its like someone saying Fox News is popular amongst Democrats and Obama supporters. Either that person doesn't know Japanese society or have a comprehension of Japanese politics.

What a load of bull.

I suspect that our friend is confusing populism, which can come either from the left or the right, with progressivism, which is exclusively leftist. Yomiuri can be populist at times, but it has almost never been progressive.

In any case, we are in agreement. Yomiuri and the LDP are center-right entities.

 

[Aepsilons]

I suspect that our friend is confusing populism, which can come either from the left or the right, with progressivism, which is exclusively leftist. Yomiuri can be populist at times, but it has almost never been progressive.

In any case, we are in agreement. Yomiuri and the LDP are center-right entities.

Perhaps there was a confusion on our friend's part. Bless his heart.

As for liberal view (in the western context), i would say 産経新聞 or Sankei Shimbun would have a more progressive mindset.

 

[mike2000]

Well this is an interesting debate. And its good to see Chinese, American and Japanese members(well japanese member.lol) here trying to be positive about 'cooperation/partnership'

However i hate to be a spoiler as always.lool We have to be realist, i dont foresee any creationof 'sea of peace and cooperation and even more so freindship' between China and Japan at all, well not anytime soon.

The thing is apart from the senkakus islands dispute(which was shelved/quiete for a while before it was reawaken due to the nationalization of the islands) and war crimes,sexual slavery issues, there is the U.S-Japan allaince/defence treaty which is the foundation of stability/balance of power in Asia and keeps China and Russia in check. The U.S is Japan's premier security partner and security guarantor. So Japan will never go against the U.S especially when it involves core U.S interests. The U.S has as interests/objective of keeping China in check(or if possible containing it/restraining its influence/power in its Asian neighbourhood) reason it initiated the 'Asian pivot', and Japan lies at the centre of this plan, no other country in the region can play this role better than Japan.

So why will the U.S favor/want a more closer/friendly relationship between Japan and China,which will mean its 'Asian pivot' would have failed catastrophically. Make no mistake, China is a big rival for the U.S in the coming decades(especially economically) and the U.S knows this, so of course it will seek for ways to limit/disturb/slow it down as best as it can, just like my country did with Germany when they threatened our hegemony/super powerdom. I dont find anything wrong in this, it absoolutely normal, any other country in U.S position will do the same. Thats how every established power reacts when its threatened by an upcoming one ireagardless of the country. So expecting the U.S will just sit by and watch while Japan and China get closer is all but laughable at best. Anyway, the U.S already has a virtual military hegemony in Asia today, from its military bases in Indian Ocean(Diego Garcia) to SCS to Pacific ocean. It will take a revolution in most Asian countries for them to ever get rid of the U.S and we all know that wont happen anytime soon(maybe never.lol) or the only other thing that will break U.S dominance in the region is a total collapse of the U.S economy much like the U.S.S.R which is very unlikely judging by how resilient a country the U.S is. So the best thing other 'upcoming'/wannabe Asian powers/countries like China/India/Russia and the like can hope is for is to try ask the U.S if they can share/join the U.S in sharing the region together/getting a piece of the cake.

I know i some of my words sounded kind of rude , but im just trying to make a point.

 

[SirHatesALot]

So the best thing other 'upcoming'/wannabe Asian powers/countries like China/India/Russia and the like can hope is to try ask the U.S if they can share/join the U.S in sharing the region together/getting a piece of the cake.

Some times you really act like a clown.

 

[mike2000]

Some times you really act like a clown.

Thats for you, not everybody. i respect your opinion.
Ok, maybe i shouldn't have mentioned India in the 'upcoming power sentence'. I take back my words.

 

[SirHatesALot]

Thats for you, not everybody. i respect your opinion.
Ok, maybe i shouldn't have mentioned India in the 'upcoming power sentence'. I take back my words.

Not surprising coming from a Brit.

 

[mike2000]

Not surprising coming from a Brit.

 

[DoTell]

Mike, agree with you. It's "laughable" to think that the U.S. would actually sit there allowing China and Japan to cozy up. How'd China be "contained" if that happens?

On the other hand though, it's equally laughable to believe China will allow itself to be contained. All these containment maneuvers by the U.S. and its allies will only push China to build even stronger counters. Will there be a comprise that is acceptable by both sides? It remains to be seen. While an all out war is a remote possibility, 'sea of peace, cooperation and friendship' is out of the question.

What's really comical is Japan seemed so eager to put itself at the front line of this conflict. However, their arrogant anti China rhetoric has all but disappeared in merely less than 2 years. Perhaps they realized what they've set up themselves against. But my more realistic guess is that they are just in a temporary retreat. We shall see.

 

[Huaren]

Some times you really act like a clown.

I see this as the wrong attitude for someone from india,
think about it, at least for indians such Brit who is this enthusiastic about american hegemony could be a good sign for the future, it means that if you could ever manage to give Brit a good shake down they might start following you like a puppy, as they are doing right now with another one of their former colonies and totally proud of being an "ally". The Americans must be feeling great seeing this, and this feeling of americans could be the feeling of Indians one day, imagine how satisfying that could be.

 

[mike2000]

I see this as the wrong attitude for someone from india,
think about it, at least for indians such Brit who is this enthusiastic about american hegemony could be a good sign for the future, it means that if you could ever manage to give Brit a good shake down they might start following you like a puppy, as they are doing right now with another one of their former colonies and totally proud of being an "ally". The Americans must be feeling great seeing this, and this feeling of americans could be the feeling of Indians one day, imagine how satisfying that could be.

No country has friends bro. Only interests.

Moreover, as i said earlier yes we are a junior partner of the U.S, but then again what do you expect us to be? The U.S is simply too big/advanced/powerful in almost all fields for us(and any country in the world for that matter) to be equals. Its same with Japan, India, Russia,Brazil and even China, they are not an equal of the U.S, are they? Reason the U.S rightly doesn't consider any of them as equals yet, they all still have a longg way to go to get there. In geo politics, you have to learn to accept reality, no matter how nationalistic you might be.

Moreover, our interests match with that of the U.S, so why wont we be allies/partners(even if it means a junior one)? As far as our interests match/converge then theres indeed nothing wrong in that, since we share not just common interests together but also culture,world view, language, political system,blood bond etc, so this gives us even more reason to remain closer to each other and tackle world challenges together, and the U,S can offer us much more than anything China or Russia can ever offer us(in fact we are even ahead of both technologically in so many fields.lool). Do you think having China or Russia as a superpower instead of the U.S will better serve our interests? NOPE it wont. So why should we support this? As i said before, in politics, interests are paramount over anything else. we are just being realistic. So there you go.

And no i wasnt enthusiastic about the U.S hegemonism in Asia, im just a coomon civilian(like you) who has nothing much to gain from what our politicians do, i was just making a point, afterall, this is a discussion forum, we are here to exchange point of views/ideas arent we? if not whats the point of this forum if you just have one point of view? So you should welcome my analysis bro.

 

[Aepsilons]

Gentlemen ,

I thought this video would be pertinent to the topic:

 

[kawaraj]

Good, so we agree that DPJ is left-wing, and LDP is right-wing.

That's not the argument in the first place. And I never doubt LDP today is more like a center right party. I was say it had adopted leftist policies over the decades when there was no DPJ and make Japan more like a socialist country. If you have to point out there are communist party to make LDP looking like a "right" party. I would answer that other small extremely left party has been marginizd through the half century . Overall LDP in the 1950-1990 was like CPC of China today.

Also please note: LDP is LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC Party, by its meaning in American standard English, Does it sound like a conservative party?

 

[TaiShang]

Politicizing illegal coral harvesting an overreaction


Japanese media reported on Tuesday that there are still lots of Chinese fishing ships suspected of harvesting coral off the coast of Japan's Ogasawara islands.

The Japanese authorities have said that they will allow Chinese boats to come ashore, but Chinese fishermen cannot seek refuge on land ahead of an approaching typhoon.

Some radical Japanese media outlets have claimed that these Chinese boats were testing Japan's maritime vigilance and launching provocations toward Japan.

This speculation is ludicrous. China has never planned "a people's war on the sea" against Japan, not to mention that a typhoon is approaching and that coral is a very sensitive maritime resource.

Harvesting coral is illegal in China.

If the Japanese reports are true, it is likely that these fishermen were seeking to dodge the Chinese ban on coral removal and going to remote waters to earn their living. There are no political motives behind it.

Both the Chinese government and Chinese society oppose domestic fishermen entering foreign waters and conducting illegal fishing.

On the Chinese Internet, there is much criticism toward fishermen who engage in illegal cross-border fishing activities.

Nonetheless, fishermen prioritize their livelihoods beyond other considerations. It is not an easy task to effectively manage and monitor this group.

The Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs has requested that the Japanese authorities handle the issue in a rational, lawful and fair way. After all, these fishermen belong to a disadvantaged group.

Dealing with the fishermen in a forcible manner may lead to unexpected side effects.

At a time when the Sino-Japanese relationship is highly tense, it is necessary to undergo small inconveniences so as to save much bigger troubles.

Back in China, it is necessary for the government to take more resolute measures, and solve these fishing disputes at root.

There are a large number of Chinese fishermen and when offshore resources become scarce, they may risk going to foreign waters.

Frequent economic disputes could lead to political risks and public misunderstandings. People both at home and abroad may link these complicated disputes with China's national strength.

China's national power is increasingly eminent in Asia. Grass-roots people are also closely involved in the country's everyday interactions with the external world.

Many other countries benefit enormously from China's opening-up. They also need to share responsibility for solving problems emerging from this process.

It is unwise for any concerned party to make simplified, malicious policies toward Chinese fishermen, and purposely channel in nationalistic emotions.