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The “2014 as 1914” discussion covers both theses. Those who dread that a minor maritime collision could escalate into Armageddon subscribe to the “Sarajevo” theory, where an assassin’s bullet set off a chain reaction that even men and women of good intention could not stop. Others think that Beijing is bent on regional, if not world, domination. They see China’s hypertrophied ambitions as an early 21st century of the German Empire’s quest for power described in Fischer’s works. Many officials and analysts who refer to “1914” fall in between. They often know little about European history but see an ominous danger of war that reminds them of what they think “1914” was.


The one common threat in the “1914” warnings is that the People’s Republic is perceived as the Asian counterpart of Wilhelmine Germany. A rising continental autocracy with territorial ambitions on land and dreams of overseas expansion confronting a potential coalition of onshore (India, Vietnam, ROK, maybe even Russia) and offshore (Japan, Taiwan, parts of Asean, United States) powers. For some, Beijing’s expansionist aims are obvious; others see them as moderate and blame Washington and its allies for not accepting China’s rise, reflecting the same differences of interpretation that existed in Europe before (and after) World War I regarding German goals.


The critical error in this comparison is that China today bears little resemblance to Germany a century ago.


First, their domestic situation is vastly different. The Hohenzollern dynasty did face discontent at home. But the socio-political fabric of Germany was vastly stronger than that of the People’s Republic. In comparative perspective, Prussia-Germany had enjoyed a stable and productive century prior to 1914, something that does not apply to China in 2014.


Prussia-Germany was autocratic but had developed a more effective system to partially include citizens in the political process than China has. Frequent violent protests, and the massive export of capital by rich Communist Party members to overseas accounts, illustrate this point about China’s fragility. It is interesting to note German society, as in existed prior to World War I, was so solidly anchored that much of its establishment survived relatively unscathed four years of total war, defeat and revolution.


Second, we know that Germany in 1914 had an outstanding army. Estimating the worth of the PLA is harder since it has not fought a major campaign since Vietnam defeated China 35 years ago.


But one thing is clear: In Imperial Germany, especially in its Prussian core, the ruling classes took military service very seriously. Young men of privilege served in the officer corps, one’s rank in the reserves of prestigious units was a source of great pride and social standing. From what we know about the sons and daughters of China’s elite, we are more likely to see them studying in Ivy League campuses and eating in Wall Street cafes than leading platoons in the frozen hills of Manchuria.


Third, Germany was not the world’s largest economy on the eve of World War I, the United States was. But in many fields, Germany was the most advanced country on the planet. Germans led in countless disciplines, be it physics, archaeology or medicine. China has progressed, but its relative position lags well behind that of Germany a century ago.


Fourth, the geopolitics are different. Germany had two continental associates, the Habsburg and Ottoman empires. It took several years before the United States joined the Allies. Today, China is essentially bereft of allies and is confronting what is a de facto U.S.-Japan-Australia coalition, potentially augmented by several Asian states and under certain circumstances most of NATO Europe and Canada.


Fifth, Germany in 1914 was a demographically dynamic country. China, due to the twin consequences of the one-child policy and economic development, is aging at a rapid rate.


What are the implications of these facts? For China’s foes, namely the United States, Japan, and others, they mean that the situation is not as dire as it was in 1914 for Germany’s opponents. For the Chinese Communist Party, they imply that it would be even riskier for it to initiate a conflict than it was for the Central Powers in 1914.


*The author is the director of the Institute of Contemporary Asian Studies, Temple University Japan.

By Robert Dujarric

China is not 1914 Germany-INSIDE Korea JoongAng Daily
 
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I love how people have been waiting for China to make a mistake for the past 20 years. :lol:

Keep on waiting. Meanwhile, our economy hit $9.3 trillion this year, and still that is considered a massive underestimation of our actual economic output. Not to mention we also have currency reserves of over $4 trillion (with CIC included).

The longer you wait for us to make a mistake, the stronger we are going to get.
 
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I love how people have been waiting for China to make a mistake for the past 20 years. :lol:

Keep on waiting. Meanwhile, our economy hit $9.3 trillion this year, and still that is considered a massive underestimation of our actual economic output. Not to mention we also have currency reserves of over $4 trillion (with CIC included).

The longer you wait for us to make a mistake, the stronger we are going to get.

China has the largest gross savings.
China is the largest manufacturing nation.
China has the largest industrial output.
China is the largest trading nation.
China is the largest energy producer and consumer.
China is the largest electricity producer and consumer.
China has the largest foreign exchange reserves.
China is the largest gold producer and consumer.

China is the 2nd largest economy.
China is the 2nd largest creditor nation.
China is the 2nd largest consumption market.

I could go on and on.
 
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I love how people have been waiting for China to make a mistake for the past 20 years. :lol:

Keep on waiting. Meanwhile, our economy hit $9.3 trillion this year, and still that is considered a massive underestimation of our actual economic output. Not to mention we also have currency reserves of over $4 trillion (with CIC included).

The longer you wait for us to make a mistake, the stronger we are going to get.

You are actually right, why will China make the same mistakes of the past which have resulted in disasters for others......The world is getting OBSESSED by China's military while it is giving serious CHALLENGE to American Economy.

This is 21st Century, here the war isn't fought in TRENCHES rather in IMF/WTO/WB & UNSC
 
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WE are the ones benefiting the most from the current status quo, we are adding over $1 trillion to our economy every single year.

It is our ENEMIES who are not happy with the status quo.

It is our enemies who need to summon up the balls to stop our incredible economic expansion.

Otherwise every year they wait, we'll add another trillion. How many years before they finally summon up the courage to stop us?
 
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I wish China adds to the economic prosperity of Chinese and also partners India in our growth.

I do not wish China going Germany way, it has no benefit.
 
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The situations can rarely be exactly the same, there will always have some differences
 
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LOL, The Chinese posters above typically are ranting about trillions and how great the Chinese economy is and blah blah blah like a parrot without talking about the article and what the thread is about.

Re read the five points that the author is portraying directly comparing Germany with China and how china comes short in everything - though their expanist policy and instigating the neighbors is similar to the nazi regime.

The Chinese wish they were like the nazis - but only if wishes were horses.
 
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LOL, The Chinese posters above typically are ranting about trillions and how great the Chinese economy is and blah blah blah like a parrot without talking about the article and what the thread is about.

Re read the five points that the author is portraying directly comparing Germany with China and how china comes short in everything - though their expanist policy and instigating the neighbors is similar to the nazi regime.

The Chinese wish they were like the nazis - but only if wishes were horses.

Like I said, we are the ones benefiting the most from the status quo. Why would we rock the boat? :lol:

India on the other hand, due to the collapse of the Rupee (and low growth rates) your nominal GDP is actually shrinking every year. Now you are down to $1.7 trillion, less than Canada or even Italy.

The longer you wait, the more you fall behind. All we need to do is keep stalling, as time goes on, we grow stronger. And you grow weaker.

The status quo benefits us, not you. As time goes on, your GDP falls, your defence budget falls in nominal terms, to the point where you now cannot even afford the down payment on the first batch of Rafales.

'There is no money left': Govt delays Rafale fighter jet deal - The Times of India

As for comparisons to Nazi Germany, they were most famous for having a system of institutionalized racism.

Sort of like the Indian caste system, except the Indian caste system is WAY bigger, the biggest in the history of the world in fact.
 
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China is different from Germany and Japan.Nothing can make our nation as aggressive and mad like what their countries have done in WWII.Our national mentality is different from them.People live in colder places are tend to be mare aggressive and militant.
 
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LOL, The Chinese posters above typically are ranting about trillions and how great the Chinese economy is and blah blah blah like a parrot without talking about the article and what the thread is about.

Re read the five points that the author is portraying directly comparing Germany with China and how china comes short in everything - though their expanist policy and instigating the neighbors is similar to the nazi regime.

The Chinese wish they were like the nazis - but only if wishes were horses.

That's the limit of their reasoning capabilities :lol:. Don't expect anything better.

Like I said, we are the ones benefiting the most from the status quo. Why would we rock the boat? :lol:

India on the other hand, due to the collapse of the Rupee (and low growth rates) your nominal GDP is actually shrinking every year. Now you are down to $1.7 trillion, less than Canada or even Italy.

The longer you wait, the more you fall behind. All we need to do is keep stalling, as time goes on, we grow stronger. And you grow weaker.

The status quo benefits us, not you. As time goes on, your GDP falls, your defence budget falls in nominal terms, to the point where you now cannot even afford the down payment on the first batch of Rafales.

'There is no money left': Govt delays Rafale fighter jet deal - The Times of India

As for comparisons to Nazi Germany, they were most famous for having a system of institutionalized racism.

Sort of like the Indian caste system, except the Indian caste system is WAY bigger, the biggest in the history of the world in fact.

ding ding ding

this isn't about economy.

this isn't about India as well.

China is different from Germany and Japan.Nothing can make our nation as aggressive and mad like what their countries have done in WWII.Our national mentality is different from them.People live in colder places are tend to be mare aggressive and militant.

The only Chinese that actually replied on topic. The expansionist policy of Germany in 1914 and that of China in 2014 is what the author is attempting to portray - with all the shortcomings of China in 2014.
 
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ding ding ding

this isn't about economy.

this isn't about India as well.

Yes it is. Nazi Germany had a collapsing economy, and despite high employment rates (their only claim to success), real wages were collapsing in the decade before 1938, living standards plummeted, to the point where the German people had to live on rationing.

In fact, one of the key reasons for Hitler's policy of "Lebensraum" (living space) is that Nazi Germany was running out of resources.

India is far closer to Nazi Germany than we are. Your economy is shit, with consumer inflation running at double-digits, faster than wages are rising.

Not to mention that, like Nazi Germany, India is most famous for their system of institutionalized racism, the Indian caste system. Which is by far the largest system of institutionalized racism in the history of the world.

Not to mention the fact that your next President is a mass murder, and is nicknamed by many Indians as the next Hitler. :lol: He has already performed ethnic cleansing once.

Though to his credit, he does not claim to be an "Aryan" like many Indians do. :wave:
 
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