China is no match to the US Air Force in the skies: USAF Sec Kendall

[MultaniGuy]

Those American teachers told the Muslims students in Saudi Arabia, because they are not allowed to teach Christianity to Muslim students. That they are not allowed to teach it.

Go fvck Christianity, they preach Christianity for politics, not because they believe it.

Or somebody said, they feel happy when Muslims kill Christian missionaries.

 

[doorstar]

Those American teachers told the Muslims students in Saudi Arabia, because they are not allowed to teach Christianity to Muslim students. That they are not allowed to teach it.

Go fvck Christianity, they preach Christianity for politics, not because they believe it.

Or somebody said, they feel happy when Muslims kill Christian missionaries.

@Wood you were right on the money!

 

[The Accountant]

How about the Parade Line Army (PLA) is too chickenshit to fight the Ukrainains?

Making absurd name of opponent rather than debate on facts ... Doesnt suits to a professional ... U r talking like school going kids

 

[jhungary]

How about US army, filled with zombies, drug addicts and gays..

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Yes, you should continue to believe that. LOL

Making absurd name of opponent rather than debate on facts ... Doesnt suits to a professional ... U r talking like school going kids

Well, at this point, everyone on the other side is trolling. Nobody talked about anything in technicality, and you can't argue with people on the point they think that it's simply because they think that it's.

Take this topic for example, how many people here comment on technical issue like Pilot Training, Combine Arms tactics (You don't just need your air force to win a war in the air). Electronic Attack capability, intelligence operation capability, hardware quality, all those are contributing factor on how or who will win a hypothetical war.

Instead, you have people posting a bunch of images of Drug addict, photo from Korea War or who said what where or how we did in war in Afghanistan (which is a different topic, and we own the sky in Afghanistan and Iraq by the way). There are no way a serious person can debate with such an argument. you may as well join the fun.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Take this topic for example, how many people here comment on technical issue like Pilot Training, Combine Arms tactics (You don't just need your air force to win a war in the air). Electronic Attack capability, intelligence operation capability, hardware quality, all those are contributing factor on how or who will win a hypothetical war.

I agree. No one is taking about Chinese Hypersonic missiles and anti-satellite weapons.

 

[gambit]

Do you train your parade soldiers and "little emperors" this way?

You can train the Parade Line Army (PLA) troopers any way you like, but military history is filled with trained soldiers who broke down in actual combat.

I will give you a personal experience. When I got orders to deploy to Desert Storm, I did not felt excited but apprehension which is anxiety with a tinge of fear. One would think that as a Cold Warrior, I should be immune to such, but not so. The difference between the Cold War and Desert Storm was that the Cold War was essentially a deterrence action, whereas Desert Storm would be actual combat. Saddam Hussein burned Kuwait's oil wells. I can give you a hint that the air from burning oil wells actually taste like -- slight sweetness.

You cannot deny the fact that the PLA leadership betrayed China when the officers up/down the ladder sold ranks and assignments. Now, how many of those who bought their ranks, and the prestige that came with said ranks, are formulating PLA war and combat doctrines?YOU do not know.

 

[beijingwalker]

You cannot deny the fact that the PLA leadership betrayed China when the officers up/down the ladder sold ranks and assignments. Now, how many of those who bought their ranks, and the prestige that came with said ranks, are formulating PLA war and combat doctrines?YOU do not know.

You read too much crap western lies, it's in you beloved US which top generals called the enemy's counterpart without prior knowledge of your president, your chain of command is so messed up which definitely spells disasters in real wars.

 

[CLUMSY]

You read too much crap western lies, it's in you beloved US which top generals called the enemy's counterpart without prior knowledge of your president, your chain of command is so messed up which definitely spells disasters in real wars.

Yes of course, we all know how disastrous 1991, invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were for the USA....

 

[Arsalan345]

You can choose to be in the US camp by all the means if you believe they are not going to betray you people in times of crises as they have done before. If US navy is able to blockade the sea lines in SCS where chinese navy presence is very much strong, then US navy is sure going to be able to cut off the chinese sea lines to Gwader in the Arabian sea and Mideast where they are strong. The real relatively safe energy supply routes are the ones from russia and other central asian countries directly connecting to northern and northwest china. Thats why russia is strategically very important to china and also SCO is also very important to china. But, pakistan is also strategically important to china as a trusted friend and good neighbour for more than 70 years.

By the way, its public knowledge now that it was pakistani gov under Mushriff asked the chinese gov to help pakistan develop Gwader port, its not a chinese evil trap as you like to believe looking through the indian and US prism.


Quotes from American studies on CPEC:

• The development of Gwadar was as much of a priority for Pakistan as it was for China. Although China’s strategic calculations are often emphasized, the port of Gwadar was a Pakistani-initiated proposal in the early 2000s that was only later rebranded as a BRI project after 2013. All Pakistani governments over the past twenty years, both military- and civilian-led, have encouraged China’s involvement in Gwadar, while Beijing in turn sees the port as a strategic access point to the Indian Ocean.
• Energy projects were initially prioritized by Pakistan’s choice. The majority of first-phase CPEC investments went to energy projects, most notably coal power plants. This preference for coal was part of Pakistan’s desire to diversify the composition of its energy markets. This goal was also in line with Sharif’s and his party’s preference for energy projects to end the country’s electricity shortages in order to secure a 2018 reelection bid.

How China and Pakistan Negotiate

Many observers view Pakistan as a test case for China’s assertive overseas expansion plans. But sometimes, it is Chinese players who have had to adapt to Islamabad’s realities.

carnegieendowment.org

You can't bring proposals to the table if it doesn't benefit you. China is playing a big game. Pakistan has no option but to say yes because India is already hostile. I don't know what India wants but their policy of destroying relations with neighbors will not help them in the long run. For me, Pakistan is trying a balancing act but still, too much reliance on China is a worry.
Nobody knows what the US navy can do and what it can't. Gwadar or Pakistan is still a better transport route and can open many opportunities including military applications. Indian rush to invest in Chabahar means Gwadar might be used as a military base for China. The question is can we afford to go against the allies or are we benefiting by staying in the Chinese and Russian camps? There are so many problems. CPEC doesn't give anything to Pakistan like financial strength. It only destroyed our economy through more and more debt. Only China can make this project possible now because I don't see Pakistan affording money to build stuff based on CPEC agreements.

 

[etylo]

You can't bring proposals to the table if it doesn't benefit you. China is playing a big game. Pakistan has no option but to say yes because India is already hostile. I don't know what India wants but their policy of destroying relations with neighbors will not help them in the long run. For me, Pakistan is trying a balancing act but still, too much reliance on China is a worry.
Nobody knows what the US navy can do and what it can't. Gwadar or Pakistan is still a better transport route and can open many opportunities including military applications. Indian rush to invest in Chabahar means Gwadar might be used as a military base for China. The question is can we afford to go against the allies or are we benefiting by staying in the Chinese and Russian camps? There are so many problems. CPEC doesn't give anything to Pakistan like financial strength. It only destroyed our economy through more and more debt. Only China can make this project possible now because I don't see Pakistan affording money to build stuff based on CPEC agreements.

As of now, as far as I know, pakistani constitution doesnt allow its soil to be used as a foreign military base and station foreign troops there, to say that Gwader will be used as a navy base by chinese navy in the near future is far fetched and unfounded as has been repeatedly denied by pakistani and chinese govs, but a narrative constantly coming from the paranoid indians and americans who see any cooperation between pakistan and china as hostile to them. Currently, pakistan is not choosing side between us with the west and china with russia on the other, it is just has friendly and good relation with china and it also wants to maintain a balancing act between the two sides as you said. But, Gwader port yes is strategically important for china as it allows china to have a direct access to the indian ocean for its products from Xinjiang of china.

 

[VkdIndian]

As of now, as far as I know, pakistani constitution doesnt allow its soil to be used as a foreign military base

Hey @etylo, thanks for saying “as far s I know”, because you seem to know nothing.

 

[etylo]

Hey @etylo, thanks for saying “as far s I know”, because you seem to know nothing.

Pakistan–United States military relations - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You foolish Chinese, do some basic search before shooting s@it like this..

F you indian fool, i am talking about the Gwader port as a navy port for the chinese navy which has been repeatly denied by the pakistani gov saying that their constitution wont allow it except coming from the mouths of your idiotic and hostile indians. I am not talking about us airbases, american use of them in afghan and pakistans relation with US is an exception. So, you idiot stop comimg to jump in my thread all the time and talking of nonsense, i am not interested in taliking to you fool.

 

[VkdIndian]

F you indian fool, i am talking about the Gwader port as a navy port for the chinese navy which has been repeatly denied by the pakistani gov saying that their constitution

The premise of such an assumption is based on your expertise on Pakistan Constitution.
You dope Chinese, Pakistan has been saying same thing for US troops but allowed them to operate form Pakistan soil.
These statements are just statements and can be changed overnight.

But like a stuck tape you Chinese naive fool, you are trying to fool others too. But you forgot your own limits.

am not interested in taliking to you fool.

Then don’t.
But others have to stop a fool like you from spreading stupidness. I would do my duty as a responsible forum member.

 

[alimobin memon]

Just like you Yankees got humiliated in Afghanistan not long ago. 2000+ murican soldier killed to replace Taliban with Taliban

2000 is fake figure. Most probably more were dead to replace Taliban with Taliban.

 

[etylo]

The premise of such an assumption is based on your expertise on Pakistan Constitution.
You dope Chinese, Pakistan has been saying same thing for US troops but allowed them to operate form Pakistan soil.
These statements are just statements and can be changed overnight.

But like a stuck tape you Chinese naive fool, you are trying to fool others too. But you forgot your own limits.


Then don’t.
But others have to stop a fool like you from spreading stupidness. I would do my duty as a responsible forum member.

Are you stupid Indian of accusing that pakistani gov is lying all the time ? As far as I know, the worlds most chronic and shameless liars are you cow piss drinking Indians. So, you are telling people we should trust you indian BS instead ? At least, the Gwader port is not a chinese navy base now as is what being said by the pakistani gov, it has credibility. Now, shut up your foul mouth.