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So a Chinese woman can'ta talk about having freedom to think differently. But if an Indian woman says the same she's oppressed?

Whats the difference going on between you, Chinese, and lets say a Trump supporter?
 
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When an Indian women comes to China, she will say oooo I am so free, since I can walk at night without fear of getting gang raped.

So my Indy interpreters, don't talk about freedom to me, when your people do not even have the simple right to food.
 
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So a Chinese woman can'ta talk about having freedom to think differently. But if an Indian woman says the same she's oppressed?

Whats the difference going on between you, Chinese, and lets say a Trump supporter?
Freedom doesn't mean free to distort truth, right? Her hometown Kunming is one of the cleanest cities in China.
 
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calm down, she's just expressing her opinion, all be it in a rather strange way but an opinion none the less
The problem is she is lying .
The air pollution of Kunming where she came from is far way from that with the necessity of wearing masks every day or getting sick.
Lots of Chinese living in Beijing or other northern area with serious air pollution criticize the air quality publicly based on the fact.
But I do not know why she who's coming from a southern city with relatively good air quality lies in such public scenario .

People has reasonable suspicion about her incentive to lie.
 
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She and her parents are dead.
Look at the outrage here from the chinese.
Its all about face and some nations balloon being punctured.
 
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bad word for mother land is not good ,Her parent in China will face the difficult status by her speech
hey man ,This is not about bad words, it's about lies. because what she said are lies.

She and her parents are dead.
Look at the outrage here from the chinese.
Its all about face and some nations balloon being punctured.
Do you not get the point?It's not about face but lies,she lied to make houmourous(?) or something else we dont know.
or you r just a troll?

BTW, she and her parents r gonna be OK, ofc.We are more freedom than u thought.
 
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She and her parents are dead.
Look at the outrage here from the chinese.
Its all about face and some nations balloon being punctured.
Again like all my pleas to my fellow indy forumers, go visit China. I have been to your "gleaming, clean and unpolluted" cities of Bangalore, Chennai and Hyderabad with it's perfume smelling rivers dotted with small floating parcels of love. Occasionally, you can even see people floating to reach heaven from these holy rivers.

Btw, Kunming air is not as good as the overall air quality in the States. We still need to improve on it, but compared to LA's air, I think it's almost the same.
 
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Visited shanghai and few more cities.
China is ahead. But did you notice in our cities we have public realtime pollution indicators in many places.
We are not hiding our problems .our cities are dirty.
Go to AQI monitor website, Chinese have realtime monitors on their smartphones genius. See how many sensors are there in India and China. Hiding? Until Delhi was declared the most polluted city on earth, alot of Indians didn't even know how polluted their cities were. Notice how since 2016, US embassy and consulates had begun to install air pollution monitors in India. All along they were only bashing China oblivious to the fact that their democratic puppy had lung cancer.

http://www.businessinsider.com/delh...ion-seems-like-nothing-2016-12?IR=T&r=US&IR=T
 
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She and her parents are dead.
Look at the outrage here from the chinese.
Its all about face and some nations balloon being punctured.
Nothing's gotta happen to her and her parents.
People just don't like what she said and think of her a despicable liar cringing US public with lies.
Except to look down upon her, there is nothing more people could do towards her.
For her parents, i think, most of Chinese would feel regrettable .
 
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Maybe she can use the excuse this Chinese-American Ping Fu used, she just has faulty memory.

But I think most Chinese would not believe it.

Lesson to people who smear China, don't use specific events. Because people that get hurt because of the lie would fight back.

But I guess Ping Fu probably told her story to many for the past decades, that it would be difficult for her to change now.

'Heartbroken' author Ping Fu willing to apologise for inaccuracies in memoir
Chinese American entrepreneur tells the Post she was willing to apologise for incorrect description of birth control checks on female students in her book
  • WU NAN
  • PUBLISHED : Monday, 01 July, 2013, 9:26am
  • UPDATED : Thursday, 29 August, 2013, 4:13am
In many ways, Ping Fu embodies the American dream. The 55-year-old Chinese American entrepreneur and author is an important figure in the global 3-D printing industry, and she sits on US President Barack Obama’s National Advisory Council on Innovation and Entrepreneurship.

But six months after she published a critically acclaimed memoir Bend, Not Break: A Life in Two Worlds, Fu, chief strategy officer of 3D Systems in the US, faces potential international lawsuits. Her alma mater, Soochow University in Suzhou, and some of her former schoolmates are threatening to take her to court for libel in China and the US.

No society at any time should applaud success built upon lies. We will take further actions
Liu Biao, Soochow University official​

“Her book humiliated the image of China in the world and the reputation of Soochow University as a public education institution,” Chen Jinhua, director of the university’s news centre, told the South China Morning Post. University officials have joined hands with a group of former students, classmates of Fu’s from more than 30 years ago, to demand that she apologise for what they call “falsehoods” in her book, and stop all promotional activities related to it.

“No society at any time should applaud success built upon lies,” Liu Biao, an official at the university’s president’s office, told a meeting of alumni at Soochow two weeks ago. “We will take further actions.”

This is not the book's first controversy. Fu devoted chapters to her early life as the child of a persecuted intellectual family, growing up during the tumultuous Cultural Revolution period, between 1966 and 1976. She recounted heart-wrenching stories of being separated for years from her parents from the age of 10, and of being forced into child labour, starved, tortured, even gang-raped.

Some of these claims, along with those she made in previous Western media interviews, were bitterly contested in China in the past months. Hundreds of angry comments and negative ratings were left on the Amazon.com page for her book, most by Chinese readers. Protest e-mails were sent to her publisher, her company and her associates.

Tens of millions of Chinese were persecuted during the disastrous decade of chaos and violence, started by Mao Zedong in 1966 and ending soon after his death in 1976. The estimated death toll ranges from one million to 20 million. However, Fu’s critics accused her of making up many of her sad personal stories to win sympathy and sell her book. Some, such as the controversial Chinese academic fraud-buster Fang Zhouzi, wrote detailed essays to prove that the abuses and atrocities she claimed couldn’t possibly have happened.

In 2010, Fu told US media NPR that she witnessed Red Guards execute a teacher by having her quartered by four horses, simply to frighten the children into submission. After Fang raised sharp questions about the veracity of this story, Fu admitted that this traumatic event might not have taken place, and that her “emotional memory” might not be accurate. NPR has since removed the interview from its website.

College years disputed

Now, months after the previous storm of controversy seemingly cooled down, renewed criticism and legal threats from China are once more putting the high-flying executive on the defensive. The disputes have moved from her childhood history to her college years, starting in 1978, two years after the Cultural Revolution ended.

Former classmates and teachers are not only challenging Fu’s self-claimed academic credentials, but also casting doubt over some of the most riveting events in her book. These often dealt with issues that remain sensitive in Sino-US relations to this day, including birth control, torture, freedom of the press and persecution by order of top Communist Party officials.

Fu said she was willing to apologise for some of the inaccuracies in her book, which she blamed on memory failures or editing errors. She also said she would like to reconcile with the university to avoid a lawsuit.

One anecdote in Fu’s book seems to anger her critics in particular – that university officials used to check female students’ periods with their fingers to make sure they were complying with mandatory government rules on birth control.

“I would like to issue an open apology for the description that appears about [Soochow University] conducting intrusive physical checks on all female students’ periods for birth control purpose,” she said. Fu told the New York Times in February that the account was an error she had tried on several occasions to correct before publication. Instead of submitting to intrusive checks by officials, female students had to use their own fingers and show blood during their periods, Fu said.

As the leader of a student group called the Red Maple Society, according to the book, Fu had incurred the wrath of then-leader Deng Xiaoping after publishing a “daring and controversial article” criticising the Communist Party for corruption. According to her accounts, Deng, restored to power only a few years earlier, was visibly displeased after he read the article during a meeting with representatives from student publications.

“University officials arrested and interrogated all the students who belonged to the magazine group,” she wrote. “As the editor in chief, I was held most responsible for the trouble. For punishment, I was given a black mark in my personal file.”

But that was not the end of her political troubles. Fu also wrote that she was briefly kidnapped by unknown thugs and then banished from the university for doing research and writing a paper on infanticide in rural China, a barbaric side-effect of the one-child policy and people’s preference for boys.

Fu also wrote she was forced to leave school without graduating, and officials had told her to leave the country. She went to the US in 1984, studied at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque, and later transferred to the University of California in San Diego to study computer science.

'It's just we remember differently'

However, Soochow University officials have shown journalists dozens of documents including Fu’s full academic records, to prove that she never conducted research or wrote a thesis on female infanticide, nor was she ever punished or arrested for political essays in student publications.

The so-called arrest and interrogation never happened. I am angry at her for lying about this
Ni Junqiang, former class adviser​

“The so-called arrest and interrogation never happened. I am angry at her for lying about this,” said Ni Junqiang, Fu’s class adviser from 30 years ago. Now 63, Ni manages his own high-tech company in Suzhou. He said Fu frequently missed classes during her college years and on several occasions he recommended that the university give her demerits.

Speaking to a Post reporter by telephone in late June, Fu conceded last week that some of the details in her book were not accurate. “There was no arrest or time in jail or prison for the Red Maple Society members. We did informing and confession.”

She also added: “I wrote a memoir and this was my memory of what happened [30 years ago] and how I felt. If someone said they remember differently I’m not going to say they are wrong. It’s just we remember differently.”

But the university’s investigation has nonetheless stirred up painful memories and ripped open old wounds. Liu Buchun, a former schoolmate, accused Fu of stealing his story of suffering political persecution for criticising the Communist Party. Liu said that he was the one who delivered a speech at a meeting of student party members in 1979, airing doubts over the party’s teachings.

Liu, now a retired high school teacher, said he and several editors of a student magazine who published the speech suffered years of retribution in the form of demotions and lost opportunities. The consequences haunted their entire adult lives, Liu said. But Fu was not involved in either the writing or publication of the speech, nor was she punished for it, he told the Post.

“Correcting the wrongs of the Cultural Revolution is necessary, but not by making up stories like Fu did,” Liu said. “Lies have no redemptive power. Self-glorifying lies are even more despicable.”

'Heartbroken and deeply saddened'

In the face of harsh criticism from China, Fu said in February that she was “shocked, heartbroken and deeply saddened by the smear campaign”. However, she has on different occasions retracted some of the statements she made to Western media.

Lies have no redemptive power. Self-glorifying lies are even more despicable
Liu Buchun, former schoolmate​

“When people are upset, you are touching on something sensitive. If people need to talk about the Cultural Revolution and by criticising me they can create some healthy discussion, that’s my contribution,” she said last week.

But she admitted: “It also bothers me. Sometimes I’m confused. I’m not helping the ‘American side’ or ‘Chinese side’ to attack one other.

“We should unite rather than divide; extreme opinion divides. I won’t fight with Soochow University. It will only hurt both of us.”

Now a mother of an adult daughter and working for a South Carolina-based firm specialising in 3-D printing technology, Fu said she wished the debate over her memoir would calm down so she could focus on her responsibilities at home and at the company.

“Creativity for us is about thinking out of the box exponentially, and innovation is imagination applied,” she said. “My new role is a perfect combination of creative destruction and pragmatic problem-solving, I love what I do: 3-D printing.”


'Heartbroken' author Ping Fu willing to apologise for inaccuracies in memoir | South China Morning Post
 
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QUOTE="JSCh, post: 9505630, member: 40285"]Maybe she can use the excuse this Chinese-American Ping Fu used, she just has faulty memory.

But I think most Chinese would not believe it.

Lesson to people who smear China, don't use specific events. Because people that get hurt because of the lie would fight back.

But I guess Ping Fu probably told her story to many for the past decades, that it would be difficult for her to change now.

'Heartbroken' author Ping Fu willing to apologise for inaccuracies in memoir
Chinese American entrepreneur tells the Post she was willing to apologise for incorrect description of birth control checks on female students in her book
  • WU NAN
  • PUBLISHED : Monday, 01 July, 2013, 9:26am
  • UPDATED : Thursday, 29 August, 2013, 4:13am
In many ways, Ping Fu embodies the American dream. The 55-year-old Chinese American entrepreneur and author is an important figure in the global 3-D printing industry, and she sits on US President Barack Obama’s National Advisory Council on Innovation and Entrepreneurship.

But six months after she published a critically acclaimed memoir Bend, Not Break: A Life in Two Worlds, Fu, chief strategy officer of 3D Systems in the US, faces potential international lawsuits. Her alma mater, Soochow University in Suzhou, and some of her former schoolmates are threatening to take her to court for libel in China and the US.

No society at any time should applaud success built upon lies. We will take further actions
Liu Biao, Soochow University official​

“Her book humiliated the image of China in the world and the reputation of Soochow University as a public education institution,” Chen Jinhua, director of the university’s news centre, told the South China Morning Post. University officials have joined hands with a group of former students, classmates of Fu’s from more than 30 years ago, to demand that she apologise for what they call “falsehoods” in her book, and stop all promotional activities related to it.

“No society at any time should applaud success built upon lies,” Liu Biao, an official at the university’s president’s office, told a meeting of alumni at Soochow two weeks ago. “We will take further actions.”

This is not the book's first controversy. Fu devoted chapters to her early life as the child of a persecuted intellectual family, growing up during the tumultuous Cultural Revolution period, between 1966 and 1976. She recounted heart-wrenching stories of being separated for years from her parents from the age of 10, and of being forced into child labour, starved, tortured, even gang-raped.

Some of these claims, along with those she made in previous Western media interviews, were bitterly contested in China in the past months. Hundreds of angry comments and negative ratings were left on the Amazon.com page for her book, most by Chinese readers. Protest e-mails were sent to her publisher, her company and her associates.

Tens of millions of Chinese were persecuted during the disastrous decade of chaos and violence, started by Mao Zedong in 1966 and ending soon after his death in 1976. The estimated death toll ranges from one million to 20 million. However, Fu’s critics accused her of making up many of her sad personal stories to win sympathy and sell her book. Some, such as the controversial Chinese academic fraud-buster Fang Zhouzi, wrote detailed essays to prove that the abuses and atrocities she claimed couldn’t possibly have happened.

In 2010, Fu told US media NPR that she witnessed Red Guards execute a teacher by having her quartered by four horses, simply to frighten the children into submission. After Fang raised sharp questions about the veracity of this story, Fu admitted that this traumatic event might not have taken place, and that her “emotional memory” might not be accurate. NPR has since removed the interview from its website.

College years disputed

Now, months after the previous storm of controversy seemingly cooled down, renewed criticism and legal threats from China are once more putting the high-flying executive on the defensive. The disputes have moved from her childhood history to her college years, starting in 1978, two years after the Cultural Revolution ended.

Former classmates and teachers are not only challenging Fu’s self-claimed academic credentials, but also casting doubt over some of the most riveting events in her book. These often dealt with issues that remain sensitive in Sino-US relations to this day, including birth control, torture, freedom of the press and persecution by order of top Communist Party officials.

Fu said she was willing to apologise for some of the inaccuracies in her book, which she blamed on memory failures or editing errors. She also said she would like to reconcile with the university to avoid a lawsuit.

One anecdote in Fu’s book seems to anger her critics in particular – that university officials used to check female students’ periods with their fingers to make sure they were complying with mandatory government rules on birth control.

“I would like to issue an open apology for the description that appears about [Soochow University] conducting intrusive physical checks on all female students’ periods for birth control purpose,” she said. Fu told the New York Times in February that the account was an error she had tried on several occasions to correct before publication. Instead of submitting to intrusive checks by officials, female students had to use their own fingers and show blood during their periods, Fu said.

As the leader of a student group called the Red Maple Society, according to the book, Fu had incurred the wrath of then-leader Deng Xiaoping after publishing a “daring and controversial article” criticising the Communist Party for corruption. According to her accounts, Deng, restored to power only a few years earlier, was visibly displeased after he read the article during a meeting with representatives from student publications.

“University officials arrested and interrogated all the students who belonged to the magazine group,” she wrote. “As the editor in chief, I was held most responsible for the trouble. For punishment, I was given a black mark in my personal file.”

But that was not the end of her political troubles. Fu also wrote that she was briefly kidnapped by unknown thugs and then banished from the university for doing research and writing a paper on infanticide in rural China, a barbaric side-effect of the one-child policy and people’s preference for boys.

Fu also wrote she was forced to leave school without graduating, and officials had told her to leave the country. She went to the US in 1984, studied at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque, and later transferred to the University of California in San Diego to study computer science.

'It's just we remember differently'

However, Soochow University officials have shown journalists dozens of documents including Fu’s full academic records, to prove that she never conducted research or wrote a thesis on female infanticide, nor was she ever punished or arrested for political essays in student publications.

The so-called arrest and interrogation never happened. I am angry at her for lying about this
Ni Junqiang, former class adviser​

“The so-called arrest and interrogation never happened. I am angry at her for lying about this,” said Ni Junqiang, Fu’s class adviser from 30 years ago. Now 63, Ni manages his own high-tech company in Suzhou. He said Fu frequently missed classes during her college years and on several occasions he recommended that the university give her demerits.

Speaking to a Post reporter by telephone in late June, Fu conceded last week that some of the details in her book were not accurate. “There was no arrest or time in jail or prison for the Red Maple Society members. We did informing and confession.”

She also added: “I wrote a memoir and this was my memory of what happened [30 years ago] and how I felt. If someone said they remember differently I’m not going to say they are wrong. It’s just we remember differently.”

But the university’s investigation has nonetheless stirred up painful memories and ripped open old wounds. Liu Buchun, a former schoolmate, accused Fu of stealing his story of suffering political persecution for criticising the Communist Party. Liu said that he was the one who delivered a speech at a meeting of student party members in 1979, airing doubts over the party’s teachings.

Liu, now a retired high school teacher, said he and several editors of a student magazine who published the speech suffered years of retribution in the form of demotions and lost opportunities. The consequences haunted their entire adult lives, Liu said. But Fu was not involved in either the writing or publication of the speech, nor was she punished for it, he told the Post.

“Correcting the wrongs of the Cultural Revolution is necessary, but not by making up stories like Fu did,” Liu said. “Lies have no redemptive power. Self-glorifying lies are even more despicable.”

'Heartbroken and deeply saddened'

In the face of harsh criticism from China, Fu said in February that she was “shocked, heartbroken and deeply saddened by the smear campaign”. However, she has on different occasions retracted some of the statements she made to Western media.

Lies have no redemptive power. Self-glorifying lies are even more despicable
Liu Buchun, former schoolmate​

“When people are upset, you are touching on something sensitive. If people need to talk about the Cultural Revolution and by criticising me they can create some healthy discussion, that’s my contribution,” she said last week.

But she admitted: “It also bothers me. Sometimes I’m confused. I’m not helping the ‘American side’ or ‘Chinese side’ to attack one other.

“We should unite rather than divide; extreme opinion divides. I won’t fight with Soochow University. It will only hurt both of us.”

Now a mother of an adult daughter and working for a South Carolina-based firm specialising in 3-D printing technology, Fu said she wished the debate over her memoir would calm down so she could focus on her responsibilities at home and at the company.

“Creativity for us is about thinking out of the box exponentially, and innovation is imagination applied,” she said. “My new role is a perfect combination of creative destruction and pragmatic problem-solving, I love what I do: 3-D printing.”


'Heartbroken' author Ping Fu willing to apologise for inaccuracies in memoir | South China Morning Post[/QUOTE]
Just sue her. Apologies mean nothing . money is king.
 
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In 2014 I returned to China, visiting Beijing and Tianjin for a World Economic Forum summit. While the Westerners in our group had come prepared with face masks, the Indians kept squinting into the smog, perplexed. I was repeatedly approached by the Indian participants about whether ‘this’ – the air outside our conference centre – was what all the fuss was about.

‘But, this is nothing’
But, this is nothing,” they would say in bewilderment. I giggled. It reminded me of my own reactions as a novice reporter in China. On field trips with Western colleagues into the country’s interior, everyone would be agitatedly reporting on the dire poverty, when all I could think on beholding the decently clothed, electric fan-owning ‘poor’ was, ‘This? But, this is nothing.’

Until very recently the China-oriented “airenfreude”, so common in Western media, was prevalent in India as well. But India has been choking even worse. According to Nasa satellite data, PM2.5 levels across India rose by 13 per cent between 2010 and 2015, while China’s fell by 17 per cent. Last year was the first time the average Indian was exposed to more particulate matter than the average Chinese. In 2014, a World Health Organisation study ranked Delhi as the world’s most polluted city. Neither Beijing nor any other Chinese city even figured in the top 20, but 13 Indian cities did.

Pallavi Aiyar
 
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What Can I say ? A bitch,who flatters another country by humiliating her own motherland.
 
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Chinese student sorry after uproar at US 'fresh air' speech
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Ms Yang said the air in the US was "sweet and fresh"
A Chinese student has apologised following a furious reaction to her US graduation speech that praised the "fresh air of democracy".

Speaking at the University of Maryland, Yang Shuping drew a parallel between air pollution in China and the country's restrictions on free speech.

Angry Chinese social media users accused her of denigrating her homeland and told her to stay in the US.

But the university backed her, saying it was vital to hear different views.

Ms Yang - who was selected by the university to speak - contrasted wearing a face mask against pollution with the "sweet and fresh" air in the US.

"The moment I inhaled and exhaled outside the airport, I felt free," she said in a video of the speech posted on YouTube.

"I would soon feel another kind of fresh air for which I will be forever grateful. The fresh air of free speech. Democracy and free speech should not be taken for granted. Democracy and freedom are the fresh air that is worth fighting for," she continued.

Her speech became one of the hottest topics on the internet in China, with posts about it having been viewed more than 50m times by Tuesday.

Many Chinese social media users were angry, including a fellow Chinese student at the University of Maryland who accused Ms Yang of "deceptions and lies", the South China Morning Post newspaper reported.

The city authorities in her home city of Kunming in southwestern China also weighed in, saying air quality had been good almost every day so far this year and adding: "In Kunming, air is very likely to be 'sweet and fresh'."

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Image captionMs Yang's apology on China's Weibo microblogging service
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Image captionThe Kunming government insisted the city's air was "likely to be 'sweet and fresh'"
The People's Daily newspaper meanwhile accused her of making a "biased" speech.

Faced with mounting uproar, Ms Yang issued a statement on Chinese microblogging platform Weibo, saying she was "surprised and disturbed" by the reaction to her speech and "deeply loved" her motherland.

"I apologise and sincerely hope everyone can forgive me. I have learned my lesson," she wrote.

She was nevertheless backed by her university, which said in a statement: "Listening to and respectfully engaging with those whom we disagree are essential skills, both within university walls and beyond".

Some Weibo users agreed. "It looks like even if Chinese people go to America, they still can't have freedom of speech," one said.
 
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