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Musharraf/army rule ended in 2008. Don't mock Pakistan democracy while Indian army is killing Kashmiri kids on streets. I doubt china will back off from building road in their own region.
Man up. Everyone knows it. Army still holds a considerable influence in Pakistan. At times more than Parliament.
China may or may not back off, but there won't be war. If there is war, then we can deal with it without much troubles.
 
indian forumers have been sabre rattling and beating the war drum these days.

but do you even know YOUR adversary that is China?

god, i cannot even describe the bloodbath.

the chinese took so much tech from USA, the units are almost identical like the american army now, difference is that it is larger in numbers as compared to USA.

do u even know how much danger the indian troops at sikkim are in right now?
We know that China can bark only. They have issued hundreds of warnings till date without any action. They have mocked themselves in front of international community.
 
Compare to China Defence Industry Capacity, India is nothing.

From China's Capabilities to Fast produce Aircraft Carrier, Heavy Destroyers, Frigate, Corvettes, Bombers, Strategic Airlifter, Missiles, and many others ......

India is Nothing compare to China's Defence Capacity.

Hurt !!
But, it's the Truth for all of us in here
 
Yes. We do. India make us believe they may want join the game to constrain us with US and Japan. So we need warn them it is dangerous game by this way.
I think US just wants to use India to test China's real potential of war.and gets benefit from continuous hostile relationship between China and India.but China could use this chance to restrain India and controll sub continent if we play bigger.
if China want to be the 1st supper power in 2030,a great war with India is needed.and they just give us the opportunity.
 
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Compare to China Defence Industry Capacity, India is nothing.

From China's Capabilities to Fast produce Aircraft Carrier, Heavy Destroyers, Frigate, Corvettes, Bombers, Strategic Airlifter, Missiles, and many others ......

India is Nothing compare to China's Defence Capacity.

Hurt !!
But, it's the Truth for all of us in here
You are underestimating India, they can IMPORT. Trust me, they are going to get milked again, whenever they panic in a crisis, they will sign any shit to get weapons, the Russians milked them good during Kargil.
 
We know that China can bark only. They have issued hundreds of warnings till date without any action. They have mocked themselves in front of international community.
Interestingly, Indians had the exactly same thought to China in 1962. So Indian soldiers recklessly implemented "forward policy" until they got punched in face. Instead of introspection, Indians attribute their failure reason to China:"Why you did that? Shouldn't you stay put? You cheater!" ----Weirdest way of thinking.
If China beats you again in 2017, will you call Chinese cheaters this time?
 
Interestingly, Indians had the exactly same thought to China in 1962. So Indian soldiers recklessly implemented "forward policy" until they got punched in face. Instead of introspection, Indians attribute their failure reason to China:"Why you did that? Shouldn't you stay put? You cheater!" ----Weirdest way of thinking.
If China beats you again in 2017, will you call Chinese cheaters this time?
China has really beaten us this times. You know China really gave us so many warnings. We are really scarred.
 
You are underestimating India, they can IMPORT. Trust me, they are going to get milked again, whenever they panic in a crisis, they will sign any shit to get weapons, the Russians milked them good during Kargil.
You are overestimating Indians lol
 
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CHINA-INDIA BORDER DISPUTE

BHUTAN CAN SOLVE ITS BORDER PROBLEM WITH CHINA – IF INDIA LETS IT
BY TSERING SHAKYA22 JUL 2017
The only surviving Tibetan Buddhist kingdom is caught between a rock and a hard place, seemingly willing to negotiate its longstanding territorial claims with Beijing but feeling the heat from an overbearing New Delhi

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Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is met by Bhutanese Prime Minister Tshering Tobgay at Paro Airport in 2014, when he went to Bhutan on his first foreign trip since becoming…
The tiny Himalayan state of Bhutan, portrayed as the happiest place in the world, is now caught in the middle between two Asian giants as Chinese and Indian soldiers stand eyeball-to-eyeball on a narrow, barren patch high up on the mountainous borders where Bhutan and China meet.

Rhetoric has been flying thick and fast on both sides, with Beijing reminding India about the “lesson” of 1962 and New Delhi retorting that it is not the same India that lost poorly to China in that short border war 55 years ago. The current situation is portrayed by India’s hyper-nationalistic media in terms of encirclement by China and Beijing’s designs on India. However, for the small Himalayan states and border regions, it’s not China that makes them nervous, it’s India.

The Indian press, calling it a border dispute between India and China, colourfully describes the disputed narrow valley leading into India’s northeast as the “chicken neck”. The valley is supposedly the “dagger” pointing at India, alluding to China’s strategic intentions. In reality, the issue does not have much to do with the border, and definitely not the China-India border. The area under contention, between Bhutan and Tibet, has never been cartographically demarcated.

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Vehicles travel along a mountain road near the Nathula Pass, an open trading post in the Himalayas between India and China, in Sikkim, India. Photo; Bloomberg
Before the Chinese annexation of Tibet, the nomads living on the plateau moved freely across these areas. In the 1950s, China negotiated and settled most of its land borders, but never completed discussions with Bhutan, because India insisted on the right to negotiate on behalf of Bhutan, which the Chinese refused to accept. China wanted direct negotiations with Bhutan. Eventually India had to relent.

Since 1984, Bhutan and China have held 24 rounds of talks, the content of which has been kept secret. Both parties have mouthed the usual diplomatic platitudes, but the protracted nature of the talks indicates major disagreement.

India’s acceptance of direct Bhutan-China negotiations was based on observation of China’s past strategy in territorial negotiation with smaller states such as Pakistan, Nepal and Myanmar that are not seen as a threat to China’s security. For them, China adopted a benevolent position and conceded their demands. But with Bhutan, it has taken a tough stand, and many in Bhutan blame New Delhi for it.

China stands on the crest of the Himalayas and has highly developed infrastructure, giving it the dominant position. Bhutan and China identified seven disputed areas. Most of these are of no great significance to China, and which it is willing to concede to Bhutan. But Bhutan’s claims are historically flimsy, and China has been able to present a huge amount of Tibetan historical land records from the past government of the Dalai Lama to show these territories were under the jurisdiction of Lhasa.

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In 1996, after the 10th round of talks, it appeared that Bhutan and China had reached an understanding that China would concede to Bhutan’s claims in the northern sector of the border, while Bhutan would accept China’s claims to the south. When, 15 months later, the two sides met for the 11th round of meetings, there was much expectation that an agreement would be signed. But to China’s surprise, Bhutan revised its claims in the south and asserted a claim to larger territory than before, leading the talks to break down. China suspected the new claims were made at India’s behest and began to harden its stance.

One area of dispute where China is not willing to make a concession is this narrow valley that the Tibetans call Dromo. During the Dalai Lama’s rule in Tibet, the area was administered from Phari Dzong, clearly within Tibet, and was divided into Upper and Lower Dromo. After the British invasion in 1904, Dromo was elevated to dzong, (county) and successive county administrators were appointed by the Lhasa government.

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China has mobilised tens of thousands tonnes of military materials into Tibet. Handout photo
This narrow valley was one of the important trade routes between India and Tibet and the hamlet of Dromo was the staging post for all goods entering and leaving Tibet. It was such an important route that the area has four different names, varying with the people using it – for British India it was the Chumbi Valley, for Newar merchants from Nepal it was Sher zingma, and for the Chinese, Yatung, now written as Yadong.

This “dagger” pointing at India is the strip that separates the Indian state of Sikkim from Bhutan. The dispute is not about Dromo county, but a part of it called Drok Lam, Tibetan for “Nomads’ Path”, which Indians call Doklam. It’s about 600 sq km, about the size of Toronto. Here, Bhutan’s claim is not without foundation: although until 1913, Drok Lam was under the control of the Tibetan government in Lhasa, an enclave in Drok Lam was granted to Kazi Ugyen Dorje, one of the most important political figures in Bhutan, who served as the intermediary between British India and Tibet.

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Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi speaks at Bhutan's National Assembly in Thimpu in 2014. While Bhutan does not fear an invasion from the north, it is leery of the increasing presence of India. Photo: AFP
In 1911, when the 13th Dalai Lama fled the advancing Qing army and sought refuge in Kalimpong, he was hosted by Ugyen Dorje. However, the area granted was an enclave within Drok Lam, not the entire 600 sq km. Bhutan’s over-assertion of its claims, suspects China and many in Bhutan, may be on the prompting of New Delhi, which sees the narrow strip essential for the defence of Sikkim and beyond.

That would be tantamount to India sabotaging an agreement between Bhutan and China. The Indian media’s sabre-rattling on defending Bhutan from Chinese encroachment may be good for arousing nationalistic sentiment but does not find echoes in Bhutan. While the Bhutanese don’t fear invasion from the north, an increasing Indian presence will surely undermine its sovereignty.

Bhutan is the only surviving Tibetan Buddhist kingdom in the 21st century, and its leaders have been astute in preserving its independence, with the transition from absolute monarchy to democracy yielding remarkable success. As its history has shown, Bhutan can fully handle its own affairs – if India would let it.
Tsering Shakya is the Canadian Research Chair in Religion and Contemporary Society at the University of British Columbia, and author of The Dragon in the Land of Snows: A History of Modern Tibet Since 1947
 
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INDIA’S GOT ITSELF INTO A FINE MESS IN DOKLAM, IT’S TIME TO GET OUT AND LET CHINA AND BHUTAN WORK IT OUT
India is militarily engaging a state actor from the soil of a third country over a piece of land its partner country does not even control. Not even the mighty US does that

BY SOURABH GUPTA

23 JUL 2017
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China has mobilised tens of thousands tonnes of military materials into Tibet on the heels of its military standoff with India. SCMP Pictures
China and India are locked yet again in a stand-off of Himalayan proportions. Almost five weeks after Indian troops trespassed and forcibly halted the activities of a Chinese road construction crew on a narrow plateau at the China-Bhutan-India tri-junction area in the Sikkim Himalayas, the two sides appear no closer to resolving their quarrel. The area in question, Doklam, is the subject of a legal dispute between China and Bhutan, is under the effective jurisdiction of China, and holds an important security interest to India.

This is India’s China war, Round Two
The restoration of the status quo ante in the Doklam area will be a protracted affair. Unlike previous impasses on their disputed Himalayan frontier earlier this decade, which coincided with a warming phase in ties and were wound down with the exhibition of good sense on both sides, bilateral ties have hit a sour patch. China, as the aggrieved party, bears little interest in unwinding the stand-off on terms other than its own. Worse, there is no agreed definition among the parties of the object of discord at stake – to the point that China does not even view India as the appropriate interlocutor to engage with to unwind the stand-off.

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Two monks walk across the wooden bridge to Punakha Dzong on their way to and from early morning prayers in Bhutan. Photo: GO 48HRS

China’s position on, and solution to, the stand-off is blunt and straightforward. The alignment of the China-India boundary in the Sikkim Himalayas sector is mutually defined as per Article 1 (“the line commences at Mount Gipmochi on the Bhutan frontier, and follows the … water-parting”) of the Anglo-Chinese Convention of 1890 relating to Sikkim and Tibet. On numerous occasions, Indian representatives from Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru down have formally accepted this.

 
according to Indian Bhutan agreement ,India will not do Sikkim type invasion of bhutan if all of Bhutan matters including foreign affairs are given to India.
 
Says nan yang from malaysia with a third class blog source ?

Let india and bhutan handle there bilateral relations, rest idiots from malayasia should stop poking their nose in our affair. Bhutan have a ambassador in india and we have full fledged diplomatic relations, if bhutan wants to say anything to india they will directly say it to us.
 
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The PLA also said it had undertaken an "emergency response" measure in response to the incident and would further step up deployments in the area.

At a special briefing ahead of the PLA's 90th anniversary which falls on August 1, the PLA put out a strong message on the Doklam stand-off and told India to "have no illusions".

"The history of the PLA over the past 90 years has proven our resolve to safeguard sovereignty and territorial integrity, and our capability and resolve are indomitable," Senior Colonel Wu Qian, spokesperson for the Ministry of National Defence said.

Senior Colonel Wu defended China's road construction on the Doklam plateau, which China calls Donglang.

"In the middle of June, the Chinese military was undertaking the construction of a road. Donglang is China's territory and China building a road on its territory is normal, which is an act of China's sovereignty and is legitimate."

The crossing of the mutually recognised international border by India is a serious violation of China's territory and runs against international law. The willingness and resolve of China to defend its sovereignty is indomitable and we will safeguard our sovereignty whatever the cost," he said.

Senior Colonel Wu said that the Chinese border troops "have undertaken emergency response measures in the area and will further step up deployment and training in response to this situation."

"We strongly urge the Indian side to withdraw its troops back from the border line of the two countries. This is the basis for settling the issue," he said, adding that "peace and security of border areas conforms with the interest of both Chinese and Indian people."

"We strongly urge the Indian side to take concrete measures to correct its errors and put an end to its provocative acts, and join with the Chinese side to jointly maintain peace and stability in border areas," he added.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...tandoff-sikkim-border-standoff/1/1009206.html
 
好山好水好地方
条条大路都宽畅
朋友来了有好酒
若是那豺狼来了
迎接它的有猎枪
——《我的祖国》

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India's strategic mind is sub-par even my expectations. Interesting developments ahead.
 
India should mend his ways before it's been too late, Just look at in recent weeks, apart from its stand-off with India. Last week, China told Japan to “get used to it” after it flew six warplanes over the Miyako Strait between two southern Japanese islands in a military exercise. Taiwan’s ministry of national defence also complained that the Chinese bombers flew just outside its air defence identification zone. China also dispatched troops to Djibouti as it gets ready to formally establish the country’s first overseas military base. No one can mess with our iron brother China, so it would be better for India to back off their troops from Doklam which belongs to our Iron brother China or else face the devastation. :enjoy:

Even USA knows the real leader of Global, Economic and Military power in the world is only our iron brother China. :-) :china::pakistan::smitten:
 

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