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China in shock: Why no baby boom?

Actually, I don’t think a shrinking population would be the biggest problem for China. The biggest problem is going be the ageing population where you have a bad disproportion between the old population and the young working population. With such low birthrates for the last few decades, China will be heading to a point where the young working population will disproportionately be out numbered by the old people.

This will be a burden for the country and its young working people, both financially and psychologically.

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Even if China manages to pull a miracle and get the fertility rate on the right track in the next few years, the Chinese generation born in the 80s, 90s and 2000s will still have to face this situation in their working life:

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I can’t believe it took that long for the CCP to change the one child policy. Weren’t they aware of this simple problem?
Stop blaming the one-child policy. If it wasn't for that policy, our double digit growth for 30 years may not be possible.

Don't forget, Japan is doing fine supporting their elders, even without one-child policy. Because the young people is educated, will be much more productive, and earn much more to their saving, they can afford to support the old people. Beside, our retirement age is the lowest in the world.
 
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It's not just China Mainland but an East Asian phenomenon. Lowest birth rates, longest life expectancies, are normal in this region.

Urbanization of China Mainland has just passed fifty percent, the target is seventy, the trend will continue not reverse. So let's just accept this norm, it's decided by cultural factor. In my opinion, a society steady in size, more matured on average, well educated, served with better medical tech & resources, more automated productivity, people owning more wealth, is not a bad society.
 
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There is a fundamental choice we have to make:

1. Do we produce more children so we have more soldiers to fight in tomorrow's resource wars and struggle for survival?
2. Or do we produce less children so that the brute struggle for resources is not necessary?

A dystopian future is good for scifi movies. Not so good for living real life.
 
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Stop blaming the one-child policy. If it wasn't for that policy, our double digit growth for 30 years may not be possible.

Don't forget, Japan is doing fine supporting their elders, even without one-child policy. Because the young people is educated, will be much more productive, and earn much more to their saving, they can afford to support the old people. Beside, our retirement age is the lowest in the world.
It's not just China Mainland but an East Asian phenomenon. Lowest birth rates, longest life expectancies, are normal in this region.

Urbanization of China Mainland has just passed fifty percent, the target is seventy, the trend will continue not reverse. So let's just accept this norm, it's decided by cultural factor.

Yep very true, the one-child policy is not the sole cause, because Japan and SK will face this problem too. But I think the difference is that both Japan and SK “got rich before they got old,” so some people say they will have the resource to deal with it.

But I’m not too sure about China’s case (and I don’t know everything about China). Lets take the year 2030 as a case study...the people who will be retired by that time would be those who are at least ~50 years old right now...but if you look at all the current +50 years old population, have they all saved enough for their retirements? What proportion have enough savings? And what proportion will still need to depend on their children (who will mainly belong to the one-child generation) or depend on govt handouts?

I don’t know. I hope it won’t be bad.
 
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Yep very true, the one-child policy is not the sole cause, because Japan and SK will face this problem too. But I think the difference is that both Japan and SK “got rich before they got old,” so some people say they will have the resource to deal with it.

But I’m not too sure about China’s case (and I don’t know everything about China). Lets take the year 2030 as a case study...the people who will be retired by that time would be those who are at least ~50 years old right now...but if you look at all the current +50 years old population, have they all saved enough for their retirements? What proportion have enough savings? And what proportion will still need to depend on their children (who will mainly belong to the one-child generation) or depend on govt handouts?

I don’t know. I hope it won’t be bad.
So you don't believe we can get rich before our people get old? Let do the math.

The average age in China right now is 37 and our retirement age 60 for men and 55 for women. If we go by the standard 65 years old retirement, we have approximately 25-30 years to increase our GDP per capital. That means in 2045, our projected GDP is $45 trillion and our GDP per capital is $35,000 which is around Japan current GDP per capital.

All this mean is it is manageable as long as we become developed. It is that simple.
 
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So you don't believe we can get rich before our people get old? Let do the math.

The average age in China right now is 37 and our retirement age 60 for men and 55 for women. If we go by the standard 65 years old retirement, we have approximately 25-30 years to increase our GDP per capital. That means in 2045, our projected GDP is $45 trillion and our GDP per capital is $35,000 which is around Japan current GDP per capital.

All this mean is it is manageable as long as we become developed. It is that simple.

Look at the graphs I have posted. The ageing demographics will begin to manifest itself from 2020, not 25-30 years away. But if you manage to get your GDP per cap up to $35,000 in 2020, then that would be terrific, well done.
 
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The Year of the Monkey Could Mean a Chinese Baby Boom !


    • Merck KGaA reports stronger 3Q fertility-drug sales in China
    • Maternity hospital group says bookings increased by up to 30
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Those born in the year of the monkey are said to be crafty, clever and charming. That’s spurred some couples in China to delay parenthood until the less-auspicious sheep year ends -- a balm for companies offering fertility products and obstetric services.

The change in the Chinese zodiac from sheep to monkey, which happens this year on Feb. 8, has helped boost maternity bookings by as much as 30 percent at Harmonicare Medical Holdings Ltd.’s 72-bed hospital in Beijing, the company said. German drugmaker Merck KGaA said sales of fertility-related medications increased in China late last year as couples sought to build the ranks of little monkeys.

Harmonicare, China’s largest private obstetrics and gynecology hospital group, is renovating wards in its Beijing and Wuhan centers, adding beds and hiring medical staff on expectation of a busier year. It expects the advent of the country’s two-child policy will add to a monkey-baby drive.


“The number of obstetric deliveries will surely see substantial growth in the 2016 year of the monkey,” said Chen Wei, vice-president of the Beijing-based company, in an e-mail. “In Chinese tradition, sheep-year babies are seen as less auspicious than those born in other years, so many families delayed their reproductive plans so their kids could be born after that.”

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While the year of the monkey isn’t considered the most desirable among the 12 zodiac signs, it’s sandwiched between the years of the sheep -- sometimes referred to as a goat -- and the chicken, which can be seen by some as less favorable. The most auspicious year is that of the dragon, a symbol of China’s emperors and synonymous with power and wealth. The last dragon year, in 2012, sparked a 1.9 percent jump in births in China.

Birth years -- whether deemed lucky or not -- don’t always have a corresponding effect on fertility. In the last monkey year, in 2004, the number of births in China decreased by 0.37 percent in the wake of a SARS epidemic that killed more than 600 people on the mainland.

Superstition persists in China. The impact on births though is difficult to gauge or predict, said Joy Huang, the Shanghai-based research manager at Euromonitor International. “For example, we expected fewer babies to be born in the goat year, whereas we found out that the birth rate wasn’t severely impacted,” she said.


Two-Child Policy
Still, many couples in China waited until last May to fall pregnant, Marcus Kuhnert, chief financial officer of Darmstadt, Germany-based Merck, told analysts on a Nov. 12 conference call to discuss third-quarter earnings. “And since then indeed we saw a strong take-up of the business,” he said, without elaborating.

Deliveries in the coming year may be bolstered by the commencement on Jan. 1 of the government’s two-child policy, a relaxation of previous population curbs. The change will result in 3 million to 6 million more babies each year starting in 2017, Credit Suisse Group AG estimated in October. Suppliers of baby milk formula, diapers and certain medications will directly benefit.

A higher birth rate may add about 3 percentage points to the sales of baby-related products, including skincare, Euromonitor’s Huang said. The research firm predicts baby food sales, including milk formula and dried food, will reach 307.8 billion yuan ($46.7 billion) by 2020, more than double the 133.5 billion yuan it estimates was sold in 2015.

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Other companies that stand to benefit include formula companies, such as Inner Mongolia Yili Industrial Group Co.,and diaper maker Hengan International Group Co.

Provisions for a second child may increase the number of older women seeking to become pregnant, said Merck, whose fertility products include Gonal-f, used to stimulate the ovaries to produce eggs in women and to spur sperm production in men.

The increasing cost of raising children in China may narrow the number of couples seeking a second child to higher income-earners, said Harmonicare’s Chen. The shares were down 1.2 percent at HK$6.85 in Hong Kong as of 1:00 p.m. local time, while the Hang Seng index fell 0.65 percent.

“Under the two-child policy, those who choose to have a second child are mainly from more affluent families,” he said. “Since we’re in the mid-to-high end, most of them are our potential customers.”

The Year of the Monkey Could Mean a Chinese Baby Boom - Bloomberg Business

Let's Prepare for Baby Boom in China this Year :yahoo:
 
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It is not a shock. It is a relief.
It's funny because I live in a country with 33 million people and people are bitching about traffic jam, old age care or lack of, etc. Yeah 33 million people. These people have the audacity to criticize China's population stabilization.
 
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China in 2014 has 9 million fresh graduate joining workforce and half of that amount can't find job. Now we got expert claim more people is the key to growth? When your child spend many time and money to get a degree. You expect him to be a production worker or labourer?
 
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As normal, an extremely successful program to reduce population growth (by China) is seen in bad light by Western media. Reproduction like rabbit, mass living in poverty and squalor conditions and dreaming of dominating the world just by over-population. No thanks. I'd rather see my country Vietnam to become another Japan with ageing and falling population, but high standard of living, than becoming another India or SSAfrica.
 
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China in 2014 has 9 million fresh graduate joining workforce and half of that amount can't find job. Now we got expert claim more people is the key to growth? When your child spend many time and money to get a degree. You expect him to be a production worker or labourer?
With the increasing automation of workforce these new graduates will need to study a different field....robots maintenance if they want a career
 
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what happens if you have one child then when your having the second you end up with twins?
 
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China in shock: Why no baby boom?




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Already suffering its slowest growth in 25 years, China's economy has been dealt another blow after the latest population data suggested the problem could worsen.

Last year, the number of births fell, its working-age population suffered a record decline, and its migrant population shrank for the first time in 30 years, according to data released by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) on Tuesday.

Experts are warning that these trends could further put the brakes on China's economy, with labour being a key component of growth.

One of the most surprising figures was the drop in the number of births, which confounded predictions that a relaxed family planning policy would boost its ageing population and shrinking workforce.

"A slowing economy could have reduced a parent's desire to have children, given the cost involved," Nankai University population expert Yuan Xin told The Straits Times.






    • POPULATION AND WORKFORCE BLUES
    • China's population: 1.37 billion
    • Births (2013): 16.4 million
      Births (2014): 16.87 million
    • Estimated births (2015): 18 million
      Actual births (2015): 16.55 million
    • Population growth (2014): 7.1 million
      Population growth (2015): 6.8 million
    • Working-age population (2011): 941 million (69.8 per cent of population)
      Working-age population (2015): 911 million (66.3 per cent of population)
Some 16.55 million babies were born last year, down from 16.87 million in 2014. This comes as China's working-age population, or those between 16 and 60 years old, saw a record decline amid gloomy forecasts of its economy.

The NBS said the working-age population fell by 4.87 million last year, sharper than the 3.71 million decline recorded in 2014.

The workforce of China, which has 1.37 billion people, now stands at 911 million.

Since it first began shrinking in 2012, the working-age population has fallen by some 13 million, or more than double Singapore's population.

China's migrant population also dropped by 5.68 million to 247 million, meaning that fewer were going to the cities to look for work.

Economist Li Xunlei told the official Xinhua news agency that the working-age population decline will hit consumption, given that this group of people formed the bulk of consumers.

The latest figures have raised questions about the effectiveness of government policies. In particular, the authorities had believed that allowing people to have more children would reverse the country's slowing birth rates.

China last year abolished its controversial one-child policy, which had been in place for more than three decades.

The two-child policy, which kicked in nationwide on Jan 1, is expected to add three million babies a year over the next five years, family planning officials had said.

But if the latest figures are anything to go by, that estimate appears overly optimistic.

Experts had predicted that one million more babies would be born last year, compared to 2014, due to a partial relaxation of the one-child policy in 2013 that allowed couples to have a second child if either parent was an only child. But instead of hitting the predicted 18 million births, the number of newborns dropped by 320,000 last year.

Prof Yuan believes that demographers may have been caught out by the low birth rate among those who applied to have a second child.

He pointed out that while 1.9 million families applied for the 2013 scheme, less than one-third actually conceived a second child.

"The younger mothers might have applied for it and - since time is on their side - just decided to wait," he said.

Chinese men also outnumbered women by 33.6 million last year, according to NBS figures.

With 113.5 boys to every 100 girls born, the authorities are concerned about "leftover men" and the difficulties they face in finding a wife.

An online commentary published by respected Caixin financial news magazine yesterday urged the authorities to do away with family planning completely, arguing that the current population growth estimates appear "too optimistic".

"Faced with the severe crisis of low birth rates, we need to immediately cancel restrictions, to quickly encourage childbirth... We believe this is China's biggest challenge in the future," it wrote.

China in shock: Why no baby boom?, East Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

Just announce that the parents will be given 100 thousand yuans if they conceive a second child, and you will see your population grow in no time. Problem solved.
 
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