China HSR News And Information: Original Translation

[anant_s]

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Love that livery for HXD3.
I have almost always seen it in Blue black livery but the cherry red color is gorgeous.
Post more pics of same if possible

 

[AndrewJin]

Love that livery for HXD3.
I have almost always seen it in Blue black livery but the cherry red color is gorgeous.
Post more pics of same if possible

I don't have too much, most people in my city travel by bullet trains. Believe me, when u first take one, later taking traditional train u will feel exceedingly uncomfortable.

U like red? When the cars are red, i like loco in blue. Comparison is better.
Red+red too shining for me

 

[anant_s]

I don't have too much, most people in my city travel by bullet trains. Believe me, when u first take one, later taking traditional train u will feel exceedingly uncomfortable.
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U like red? When the cars are red, i like loco in blue. Comparison is better.
Red+red too shining for me
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Interesting
I thought HXD3 are dedicated freight service locos but they haul passenger trains too.
Any difference in bogie design ie Bo-Bo or Co-Co.
Most European designs for passenger service (euro sprinter etc) are Bo-Bo. It always feels good to see Co-Co haul passenger trains which is quite common practice in India (WAP 4 WAP 7 WAP 1 etc).

As for color comparison new 3 phase locos viz WAP 5 and 7 are plain white which honestly is quite boring, here in India.
So red is a pleasant change.
Also the most numerous loco class WAG 7 is light blue and with more than 2000 of these on tracks, i almost hate blue.

 

[AndrewJin]

Interesting
I thought HXD3 are dedicated freight service locos but they haul passenger trains too.
Any difference in bogie design ie Bo-Bo or Co-Co.
Most European designs for passenger service (euro sprinter etc) are Bo-Bo. It always feels good to see Co-Co haul passenger trains which is quite common practice in India (WAP 4 WAP 7 WAP 1 etc).

As for color comparison new 3 phase locos viz WAP 5 and 7 are plain white which honestly is quite boring, here in India.
So red is a pleasant change.
Also the most numerous loco class WAG 7 is light blue and with more than 2000 of these on tracks, i almost hate blue.

Frankly, I am not so into loco or traditional trains. Here the strategies are to build at least 50,000km passenger railways and let old 100,000 km railways mainly for freight. Now they are working on hard bed CRH sleeper (hard bed in China similar to 2AC or 3AC in India, three floor of beds; current CRH sleeper similar to 1AC). Once commercialised, a lot of overnight trains will be replaced by bullet trains for distance over 1500-2000km, which is not economical for day-time trips.

Any photo about your favourite Indian locos? Do most railways use broad gauge? If u start to build HSR, what kind of gauge to be used?

 

[anant_s]

Here the strategies are to build at least 50,000km passenger railways and let old 100,000 km railways mainly for freight.

Here in India, we are trying to do just the reverse. Dedicated tracks are being built (known as Dedicated freight corridor) having support for higher axles load, connecting major ports with national capital. This will free the existing tracks for running more passenger services at a higher speed.
Owing to the fact that passenger fares are highly subsidized, laying of high speed tracks is done only between cities that have both railway and Air corridors running at their saturation levels.

Once commercialised, a lot of overnight trains will be replaced by bullet trains for distance over 1500-2000km, which is not economical for day-time trips.

I guess this is targeted for Business travellers who can cover the said distance in 8 hours max with 200-250 kph average speed.

Do most railways use broad gauge?

Yes all broad gauge, this is as per Project Unigauge and today very little lines of 1000 mm gauge are left except ofr some heritage narrow gauge lines.

f u start to build HSR, what kind of gauge to be used?

I think the global standard 1435 mm. China is conducting a feasibility survey for New Delhi Chennai HSR line (~2200 kms). If all goes well we might see some of those trains you have posted running in India too.

Any photo about your favourite Indian locos?

I'm into amaetuer Raiwlay photography, will share some of my own pics here with you of existing railway class locos (electrics only for now)
Passenger Class
WAP 1 (3,800 HP, Tap Changer loco, now almost retired)

WAP 4 (5,000 HP, Tap Changer loco, most populous Passenger class loco)

WAP 5 (5,300 HP, 3 Phase, IGBT loco, built in India based on ToT from erstwhile Adtranz)

WAP 7 (6,350 HP, 3 Phase, IGBT loco, Passenger version derived from Adtranz's WAG 9 class freight loco)

 

[anant_s]

Freight Class
WAG 5 (3,900 HP, Tap changer loco, due for retirement in next 5 years)

WAG 7 (5,000 HP, Tap Changer, most produced loco on IR ever, close to about 2000 as of now)
3 liveries

WAG 9 (6,000 HP, Built in India, based on ToT from Adtranz, 3 phase IGBT locomotive)

 

[AndrewJin]

Here in India, we are trying to do just the reverse. Dedicated tracks are being built (known as Dedicated freight corridor) having support for higher axles load, connecting major ports with national capital. This will free the existing tracks for running more passenger services at a higher speed.
Owing to the fact that passenger fares are highly subsidized, laying of high speed tracks is done only between cities that have both railway and Air corridors running at their saturation levels.

I guess this is targeted for Business travellers who can cover the said distance in 8 hours max with 200-250 kph average speed.

Yes all broad gauge, this is as per Project Unigauge and today very little lines of 1000 mm gauge are left except ofr some heritage narrow gauge lines.

I think the global standard 1435 mm. China is conducting a feasibility survey for New Delhi Chennai HSR line (~2200 kms). If all goes well we might see some of those trains you have posted running in India too.

I'm into amaetuer Raiwlay photography, will share some of my own pics here with you of existing railway class locos (electrics only for now)
Passenger Class
WAP 1 (3,800 HP, Tap Changer loco, now almost retired)
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WAP 4 (5,000 HP, Tap Changer loco, most populous Passenger class loco)
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WAP 5 (5,300 HP, 3 Phase, IGBT loco, built in India based on ToT from erstwhile Adtranz)
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WAP 7 (6,350 HP, 3 Phase, IGBT loco, Passenger version derived from Adtranz's WAG 9 class freight loco)
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I don't think India is doing the reverse, dude. We already have a lot of freight corridors and we are building a lot more the same time as building HSR which is more efficient , just I seldom post news about freight trains here. One of our many huge projects under construction is a heavy haul railway from Inner Mongolia to central China.

My question is, don't u think it may cost more to upgrade existing railway to 200km/h? China has done it before 2008, quite often upgrading is more expensive than building a new one. Now in China, u seldom see railway crossings of existing railways, all bridges or tunnels. But it turns out it's better to build new railways earlier, now cost too high, compensation crazy number.

 

[AndrewJin]

Nice photos, bro, happy to know u like railway photography. Do u have some fan clubs in India? I missed out a lot of activities in my city when I traveled in southwestern China. But I had a lot of photos there, both traditional trains and HSR, when I have time, I will post some. Good to know there is railway fan here!

 

[anant_s]

don't u think it may cost more to upgrade existing railway to 200km/h?

Land acquisition is a big problem in India and hence your thought that building a greenfield rail line being costly is correct. As a result we are trying to increase speed on existing tracks in graded manner from existing 120 kph to 160 kph and on some sections upto 200 kph. these values may seem small in Chinese or global context but it is more out of years of neglect that this situation has arised.
Another question is return of equity and that spooks railway planners in a sense that unless passenger fares are increased, the period of return on investment is exceedingly long.
On the other hand building dedicated high capacity lines is a profitable business proposition and hence the attention. Ultimately it will free some line capacity for increasing both speed and services.

Nice photos, bro,

Glad you liked!

Do u have some fan clubs in India?

Most definitely. here is one.
IRFCA

 

[AndrewJin]

All bullet trains from Shenzhen/Guangzhou to Chaoshan
sold out for Mid-autumn Festival

中秋假期首日广深—潮汕高铁票已被抢光
2015-07-31 10:34:00 来源：潮州日报
　　由于高铁票网络预售期延长至60天，今年中秋节假期的高铁票前两天已在网上开售了。7月30日，记者登录12306订票系统查询发现，9月26日广州、深圳往潮汕方向总共67趟高铁票已经全部售光。
　　7月30日下午3点，记者打开12306订票系统，查询中秋假期头一天（9月26日）广州往潮汕方向的高铁车票，发现11个车次都已显示“无票”状态，连站票也全部售完。当天深圳北往潮汕方向的56趟高铁列车，全部车票同样被抢购一空。而9月27日中秋节当天，广州、深圳往潮汕方向的高铁车票也颇为紧俏。其中，当天广州往潮汕的11个车次中，有1个车次的车票已全部售罄，深圳往潮汕的50个车次中，有32个车次已无票可买。
　　此外，9月27日深圳往潮汕方向还有6趟列车仍未开始售票，其中4趟列车D2342、D2344、D2346、D2348，起售时间为8月29日上午9点，另外2趟列车D2350、D7420，起售时间为8月29日下午2点.
　　记者了解到，紧挨中秋假期的国庆7天假期，按照火车票提前60天预售规则，国庆长假首日车票也将在下周一（8月3日）开售，有出行计划的市民最好提前做好购票准备。

All 67 bullet trains from Shenzhen/Guangzhou to Chaoshan for the day before Mid-autumn Festival (26th Sep.) have been already sold out including standing tickets. Now all train tickets can be bought 60 days before departure online, through booking APP or at the railway station. And train tickets for the first day of 7-day National holiday can be bought on 3rd August. All citizens without train tickets are advised to wait for added bullet trains or connection of bullet trains which will be announced via Weibo.

26th Sep., the day before Mid-Autumn Festival
not a single ticket left shown in 12306.com, official booking website

Chaoshan(Teochew), the biggest intermediate station along Shenzhen-Xiamen HSR

 

[cirr]

Nearly all HSRs are getting increasingly crowded。

Getting hold of tickets，especially during holiday seasons，is fast becoming a major headache。

CRC needs to fast-track not only the building of news HSRs but also the delivery of new EMU trainsets。

 

[AndrewJin]

Nearly all HSRs are getting increasingly crowded。

Getting hold of tickets，especially during holiday seasons，is fast becoming a major headache。

CRC needs to fast-track not only the building of news HSRs but also the delivery of new EMU trainsets。

CRRC is building some new factories now, mainly for intercity EMUs. But EMUs for trunk routes are in serious shortage. I am hearing news that some railway bureaus in developed regions "stole" EMUs from us.

200,000 km trial run please quicker!!!

 

[cirr]

The great railway construction boom in west China：

CRRC is building some new factories now, mainly for intercity EMUs. But EMUs for trunk routes are in serious shortage. I am hearing news that some railway bureaus in developed regions "stole" EMUs from us.

200,000 km trial run please quicker!!!
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The geographical location of Wuhan should dictate that the city gets preferential，even priority，treatment in the allocation of railway assets。No？

 

[AndrewJin]

The great railway construction boom in west China：

The geographical location of Wuhan should dictate that the city gets preferential，even priority，treatment in the allocation of railway assets。No？

Now someone steals some of our precious CRH380A and gives us useless CRH5.
Wuhan CRH Depot less CRH380A now.

 

[cirr]

Who knows，the next wave of railway construction might be led by，or at least with active participation of，private concerns。

Heading in a new direction

By LYU CHANG (China Daily)

2015-07-31

A train pulls into a station in Luoyang city, Henan province, June 30, 2015. [Photo / IC]

Private capital allowed to construct, operate railways, freight services

China will fully open its railway sector to private investment, the nation's top economic planner said on Thursday, as part of the government's efforts to boost the slowing economy.

Private capital will be encouraged to participate in the construction and operation of railways through joint ventures and sole ownership with a focus on inter-city railways, suburban corridors and feeder lines, the National Development and Reform Commission said in a statement.

It also said that private investors will be allowed to operate the transportation services of the freight network and the "going-global" projects of railway networks to ease bottlenecks in the railway sector.

"Railways are a major part of the transportation infrastructure construction sector, helping stabilize the country's economy and adjust its structure. Attracting social investment will play a key role in deepening reforms in railway investment and financing and in accelerating the construction of the railway network," the NDRC said.

Experts said the move would help expand the once-mighty but now debt-ridden railways by avoiding a further buildup of government debt and letting market forces play a bigger role.

Zhang Changchun, director of the Institute of Investment at the National Development and Reform Commission, said the plan to allow 100 percent private investment will provide many opportunities to privately owned enterprises and create a fair environment for competition.

"Though projects in railways are long-term investments, they offer steady returns, and hence very attractive to private investors," he said.

At the same time, it also gives fresh impetus and a new source of funding for the sector, Zhang said, adding that it will further improve the country's infrastructure construction.

Allowing private investment in the railway sector is part of the country's plan to deepen its financing and investment mechanism and boost slowing economic growth.

Earlier this month, the NDRC approved infrastructure projects worth 884.2 billion yuan ($142 billion), including the construction and expansion of airports, bridges, high-speed railways, and the improvement of urban transport systems.

High-speed railways are considered as an alternative to replace the property sector to create jobs and drive China's flagging economic growth.

Rail demand in China has soared in recent years and experts estimate that it will more than triple to 5 billion passengers a year by 2020.

In July, the State-owned China Railway Investment Corp opened tenders for 351 bullet trains, which could be worth more than 66 billion yuan, making it the first public bidding project after the merger of the country's former top two train manufacturers, CNR Corp and CSR Corp.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/busines...t_21458978.htm

Now someone steals some of our precious CRH380A and gives us useless CRH5.
Wuhan CRH Depot less CRH380A now.
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Wuhan must be missing the days when his honorable Mr. Yu Zhengsheng was the provincial CCP chief。

More political clout and all that in the old days。