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[cirr]

Its always easy for nations to point some kind of blame on the pre-eminent power. Please know that there is no single nation that is devoid of 'foreign' entanglements.



It is not just Japan, my friend, in fact its every single world power that has vested interests in the Asia-Pacific. Afterall, Hong Kong serves as the conduit to the greater China Market. Their transparent market laws favors FDI operations there, and until China's Corporate Law becomes readily transparent, Hong Kong will remain significant. Hong Kong will remain the financial center of the Orient.

I am NOT complaining。

I want the US keep doing what it has been for the past 25 years，for at least the next 50 years。

PS Id1ots never learn and think they can go at it for eternity.

 

[Aepsilons]

Yup, whenever there's trouble G.I Joe is there--G.I Joe!

I am NOT complaining。

I want the US keep doing what it has been for the past 25 years，for at least the next 50 years。

PS Id1ots never learn and think they can go at it for eternity.

Remember the concept of contrary forces. For every ying, there will be a yang.

In regards to your post, Team G.I Joe responds to Team Cobra Command.

 

[TaiShang]

That is a moral, psychological and ideological victory for the entire China, including Taiwan.

 

[William Hung]

Time to track down and cut down British、American and Japanese business/commercial interests and influence in Hong Kong。

You should be asking, why are Japan and western countries open to foreign interest group and their internal politics are still relatively stable. On the other hand, why do you think your country is forced to cut down and close the doors for these foreign group because of the fear of internal instability?

If you can't solve this puzzle, your mind is too small.

 

[Kolaps]

@Beidou2020

If you think HK pro-democracy movement is just a protest like this, then you are BIG wrong!

It's much bigger and much annoying than what you think!

That is a moral, psychological and ideological victory for the entire China, including Taiwan.

Sadly, only temporarily.

You should be asking, why are Japan and western countries open to foreign interest group and their internal politics are still relatively stable. On the other hand, why do you think your country is forced to cut down and close the doors for these foreign group because of the fear of internal instability?

If you can't solve this puzzle, your mind is too small.

Stable of what?

May be that because China is the good guy here.


If it's the pro-China ruling party who run Japan, I don't think Japan is such stable country. As pro-Christian/US created by CIA, will make noises everyday and attempt for coup.

 

[TaiShang]

I am NOT complaining。

I want the US keep doing what it has been for the past 25 years，for at least the next 50 years。

PS Id1ots never learn and think they can go at it for eternity.

Indeed. Just as as a filthy, inefficient and corrupt democracy India does a favor to China, as a reckless and imperial superpower, the US does a favor to China -- so that China would not become either.

 

[Kolaps]

US is going to punish the traitorous Japan!!!

The true face of EVIL Japan revealed.

 

[terranMarine]

Yup, whenever there's trouble G.I Joe is there--G.I Joe!

, cracking me up

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

It has become reactionary and rigid, thus value-based. But these values are not necessarily universal or exceptional. They are just values, or ideologies, that the leadership happens to believe strongly. Due to that self-centric and exceptionalist ideology, the US attempts to spread these so-called "universal" values by force, by intimidation, or by undercover activity.

One or the other may work in certain places such as Libya. But, in China, none of them would work. And with this "strategic hollowness" and "big mouthness" of the US leadership, the remaining advantages (whatever they are) are lost.



Go for it. And then we will talk about regime survival reflection and riot police/national guards and whatever.

The US hasn't engaged in pure realpolitik since before Woodrow Wilson, so it's unclear what you mean by "it has become reactionary"--for all intents and purposes, it always has been reactionary in the modern age. Woodrow Wilson came up with a nice justification for the US to assert itself globally, but the "values system" that under-girds the American order has always been more symbolic than cause for action. Otherwise, how could we deal with the likes of Saudi Arabia? How could we have such important economic ties to the likes of China? Our value system would reject that if it had primacy.

As far as spreading our values, we are hardly unique in that regard. Remember "making the world safe for Communism"? Can you say that Communism was not spread by force, intimidation, or undercover activity? For that matter, does China not assert itself in Asia through force, intimidation, and undercover activity?

I never understood the fixed conception that the US engages other countries militarily in order to spread democracy. It wasn't true in South Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Democracy is a hoped-for side effect of our military action, but for the most part, our military action is a reaction to a perceived anti-American move (the spread of Communism, threatening our allies and energy supplies, attack on our homeland, etc.) All the people who now claim that the US objective in Afghanistan and Iraq was the spread of democracy must have been born after 2001. All of the people who claim that the "Arab Spring" was actually a US attempt to spread democracy have no understanding of how the modern Middle East was created. The US prefers democracies, but it's clear that we also find ourselves allied with totalitarian regimes from time to time.

Regarding revolution in the US, I can't say if or when it might happen, but the consolidation of power in the executive branch started from the moment the US was formed. I recommend "Crisis and Command: A History of Executive Power from George Washington to the Present" by John Yoo for a better understanding of this transition. (Warning: it's a bit dry). The US has had to blatantly ignore its founding documents to justify its current system (e.g. Madison v. Marbury, the original sin), and this contradiction cannot be sustained forever. Either the founding documents will be rejected (revolution), or the illegitimate exercise of power will be rejected (revolution). I'm not talking about the "Occupy" movement, which was a dismal failure of the left-wing to introduce socialism into the mainstream, but rather the tension between the Federal Government and the States, and the rights of the citizens in the face of government oppression.

Unlike in China, the parties and the system of government are not sacred, because the source of legitimacy is the people, not the ruling party. I don't want to derail the thread any further, but that's the main similarity (if there is one) between the HK protests and the problems in the US. Both have a Basic Law/Constitution that provides for certain rights, but those rights are overridden by an authoritarian government. Other than that, HK is nothing like the US, since the HK protestors are trying to claim rights that they've never had before, while we on the right in the US want to reclaim the rights we had, which have been taken from us.

 

[bolo]

, cracking me up

You get it. Cirr did not get it.

 

[William Hung]

@Beidou2020
Stable of what?

May be that because China is the good guy here.


If it's the pro-China ruling party who run Japan, I don't think Japan is such stable country. As pro-Christian/US created by CIA, will make noises everyday and attempt for coup.

How many time does western countries or Japan suffered a coup or civil war in recent history (30-40 years)?

At the same time, how many countries like the recent middle eastern countries like Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iran, Thailand, various central American countries suffered protest, political unrest and conflict?

Foreign or local interest group like anticapitalist group, anti-free trade group, various religious group, various political group are relatively tolerated in western countries, but they still have been more stable than the countries mentioned?

Why some other countries mentioned above can be easily influenced?

Why some Chinese members here fear that political instability can occur in the future?

Their solution is to shut down all foreign interest group. But why Japan and western countries don't need this solution?

That is the puzzle.

 

[TaiShang]

You should be asking, why are Japan and western countries open to these foreign interest group and their internal politics are still relatively stable. On the other hand, why do you think your country is forced to cut down and close the doors for these foreign group because of the fear of internal instability?

I know this question is not directed at me. But still it is an interesting question, which refers to the core of the all issues: The question of world view or ideology.

You see, the West is more or less one and the same (a unified bloc) and Japan is firmly attached to that system of values. Good or bad, it is their decision. The West cannot be a threat to Japan so long as Japan remains a loyal attachment.

But you know, the West does not represent the "international" or the "universal." They just represent a certain portion of humanity and world's geography. The values they boast about may or may not be embraced by the rest.

And news for you, China is not the West. It is a system of values by itself; a separate and distinct civilization. As a unified ideological bloc, the West, still having the technological and military upper hand, attempts to destabilize China by using various open an clandestine methods. It is a matter of willingness and capability and the West seems to have the former although its capability, albeit strong, is weakening.

It is only natural that the West, seeing China as a rival, will want to harm it. China, as the strongest developing nation, will develop reflections to thwart it. West hates China because China is China; not a copycat imitator of the Western value system. Hence there is an underlying war of systems, ideologies, models.

China is a developing nation, albeit a strong one, that is going through monumental drastic changes day and night as people's life is being improved and they are exposed to new stuff.

This is a delicate moment for China as it requires that the pace of development would not be compromised in any way. This is not necessarily because of a fear of internal instability, but because China does not want distraction.

Every system has some check in order to preserve system integrity, and, especially in the stage of fast development and dramatic change, excessive external influence might be destabilizing. This is only momentary, though. Once China achieves a developed status, builds its own strong national culture and entertainment industry, control the world opinion through an ever-penetrating international media industry, fully develops and theorizes its own indigenous political ideology as an alternative model, then China will go out compete the other alternative systems in all good will.

 

[terranMarine]

holy sh!t

 

[powastick]

How many time does western countries or Japan suffered a coup or civil war in recent history (30-40 years)?

At the same time, how many countries like the recent middle eastern countries like Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iran, Thailand, various central American countries suffered protest, political unrest and conflict?

Foreign or local interest group like anticapitalist group, anti-free trade group, various religious group, various political group are relatively tolerated in western countries, but they still have been more stable than the countries mentioned?

Why some other countries mentioned above can be easily influenced?

Why some Chinese members here fear that political instability can occur in the future?

Their solution is to shut down all foreign interest group. But why Japan and western countries don't need this solution?

That is the puzzle.

Yeah, Saddam Hussien have Weapon of Mass Destruction and Al-Queda.

 

[cirr]

Remember the concept of contrary forces. For every ying, there will be a yang.

In regards to your post, Team G.I Joe responds to Team Cobra Command.

I have no issue with US spending north of 100 million USD a day fighting the ISIS while we use the same money for infrastructure, education and healthcare.