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but i can't believe some dumb hong kong peoople would get brainwash by these "leaders". Obviously these people never heard of this Chinese saying 聰明人出口笨人出手.

those who get brainwashed so easily in the first place are naturally too stupid to see the big picture. Following the news i can see just how blind some of these youths are. But no matter what Beijing isn't gonna move an inch just like Deng when he was negotiating with Thatcher. Fools fighting an impossible battle :disagree:
 
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UK parliament rejects Chinese call to halt Hong Kong democracy probe
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September 3, 2014 - 6:23AM
Kylie MacLellan and Andrew Osborn
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Pro-democracy protesters take part in the rally for the beginning of Occupy Central movement outside Central Government Offices in Hong Kong. Photo: Getty Images


London: Britain's parliament has rejected Chinese calls to scrap an inquiry into Hong Kong's progress towards democracy, a senior lawmaker said, warning that reforms there may violate a 1984 deal on the former British colony's sovereignty. The US has also backed universal suffrage in Hong Kong in comments likely to anger China.

Britain handed Hong Kong back to China in 1997 under an agreement which said it could keep its wide-ranging freedoms and autonomy. But pro-democracy activists say a Chinese decision to tightly curb nominations for a 2017 leadership vote means Hong Kong risks ending up with a "fake" democracy.

With tensions rising in the special administrative region, Britain's parliament launched an inquiry in July, prompting the Chinese ambassador to Britain and the National People's Congress Foreign Affairs committee to robustly demand it be shelved.

But Richard Ottaway, chairman of the British parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee, said on Tuesday that members of parliament would not heed the Chinese calls.

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"We are not stopping the inquiry. We met yesterday afternoon and decided to continue," Mr Ottaway told Reuters.

Britain's relations with China took a nosedive in 2012 after Prime Minister David Cameron met the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan spiritual leader whom Beijing says is a separatist.

Ties have mostly recovered since. Mr Cameron visited China last year and Chinese Premier Li Keqiang flew into Britain in June on a trip that sealed billions of dollars of trade deals and advanced London's push to become an offshore yuan trading hub.

Mr Ottaway's inquiry is meant to examine how China and Britain's joint declaration on the transfer of sovereignty over Hong Kong to China is being implemented.

The city was never fully democratic during 150 years of British colonial rule and China says its reforms amount to a "historic milestone" that will allow "one person one vote" when it comes to the Hong Kong chief executive position.

Activists say, however, that the vetting process will make it almost impossible for opposition democrats to get on the ballot.

"My job is to see if Britain is living up to its side of the undertakings and secondly if China isn't living up to their undertakings then what is the British government doing about it," said Mr Ottaway. "This is not interfering in the internal affairs of China; that would be completely inappropriate."

Breach of sovereignty deal?

Separately, Mr Ottaway told BBC TV that China's reforms may flout the 1984 Sino-UK agreement about Hong Kong sovereignty.

"If you have a committee which is not neutral in nominating a limited number of candidates, there seems to be a prima facie case that the undertakings given have been breached," he said.

"I don't particularly want to irritate the Chinese. I want them to understand the way we work."

A spokesman for Mr Cameron said the work of parliament's select committees was "rightly and appropriately entirely independent". He said the government was looking carefully at Sunday's decision by the Chinese authorities.

"Our position hasn't changed ... We think the best way to preserve Hong Kong's strengths is through a transition to universal suffrage which meets the aspirations of people in Hong Kong within the parameters of the Basic Law," he said.

The Basic Law is Hong Kong's mini-constitution.

China's letter to British lawmakers warned them to "act with caution on the issue of Hong Kong, bear in mind the larger picture of China-UK relations and Hong Kong's prosperity and stability, (and) stop interfering in Hong Kong's affairs," according to the BBC.

When asked about the matter, a spokesman for China's Foreign Ministry made it clear on Tuesday that Beijing was unhappy about the British inquiry.

"Hong Kong is a special administrative region of China. On the matter of political reform, it is an internal affair of the Hong Kong special administrative region, it is China's internal affair. (We) will not allow foreign forces to intervene," the spokesman told a daily news briefing.

The Chinese Embassy in Britain could not be immediately reached for comment.

US weighs in

The United States has thrown its weight behind pro-democracy protestors in Hong Kong after Beijing refused to grant the territory's residents full voting rights.

"The United States supports universal suffrage in Hong Kong in accordance with the Basic Law and the aspirations of the Hong Kong people," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters on Tuesday in comments likely to infuriate China.

"We believe that an open society with the highest possible degree of autonomy and governed by rule of law is essential for Hong Kong's stability and prosperity."

Ms Psaki added the legitimacy of the future Hong Kong chief executive -- the city's leader -- would "be greatly enhanced" if the next one was selected by "universal suffrage" -- as is "the ultimate aim of the Basic Law."

Reuters, AFP


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Singapore divided from Malaysia to be a richer island, they would not want to merge into Malaysia and turn to 2nd level city again.
If HK wouldn't be the flagship of China, that's regretful thing.
Still be that ignorant, :coffee:
 
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Why is this guy so angry while all the others are so emotionless save look a little bit bored?

He must have been fed with British made dog food. LOL.

Protesting is useless. One million people occuppied wall street last year and guess what, nothing has changed. Bankers are still scamming the ordinary folks.

No one was fired from wall street. Same old same old. These HK demonstrators should just go home, make some babies. Hk has a very low birthrate.
 
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First of all, there is no doubt that Hong Kong suffered a setback, but it is not doomed.

Of course, the communist government in Beijing is not feeling up to a full democracy because they lack confidence of the populous opinion (which, to be fair, is easily manipulable and Beijing doesn't know how to play that game).

What will suffer of course would be the well being of average Hong Kongers who had to suffer from worsening living quality. Most economic benefit from the Mainland has gone to a few oligarchs who collectively own 99% of Hong Kong. Beijing is quite out of touch with the average people and that's why they don't understand why so many Hong Kongers are discontent. Beijing thinks Hong Kongers are a bunch of curmudgeons but in reality, life was indeed better pre-1997, with much higher wages, social benefit, and opportunities.

The doomsayers however are overstretching the consequences. Hong Kong would indeed become more like a Mainland city, and possibly lose all of its unique cultural appeal, but economically it would do just fine. Low taxation and lax regulation would forever support at least a regional financial hub that's attractive to banks and corporations alike. Just become the head of the government is appointed by Beijing doesn't mean the whole system would be as bad. Hong Kong, after all, is still under intense international watch and its freedom is enjoyed by a lot of Chinese, including many Beijing officials.

So basically, does Hong Kong have a bright future? NO.
Is Hong Kong doomed? NO.
What do I do as a Hong Konger? Emigrate
 
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First of all, there is no doubt that Hong Kong suffered a setback, but it is not doomed.

Of course, the communist government in Beijing is not feeling up to a full democracy because they lack confidence of the populous opinion (which, to be fair, is easily manipulable and Beijing doesn't know how to play that game).

What will suffer of course would be the well being of average Hong Kongers who had to suffer from worsening living quality. Most economic benefit from the Mainland has gone to a few oligarchs who collectively own 99% of Hong Kong. Beijing is quite out of touch with the average people and that's why they don't understand why so many Hong Kongers are discontent. Beijing thinks Hong Kongers are a bunch of curmudgeons but in reality, life was indeed better pre-1997, with much higher wages, social benefit, and opportunities.

The doomsayers however are overstretching the consequences. Hong Kong would indeed become more like a Mainland city, and possibly lose all of its unique cultural appeal, but economically it would do just fine. Low taxation and lax regulation would forever support at least a regional financial hub that's attractive to banks and corporations alike. Just become the head of the government is appointed by Beijing doesn't mean the whole system would be as bad. Hong Kong, after all, is still under intense international watch and its freedom is enjoyed by a lot of Chinese, including many Beijing officials.

So basically, does Hong Kong have a bright future? NO.
Is Hong Kong doomed? NO.
What do I do as a Hong Konger? Emigrate

it seems like HKers ever do is emigrate when something is happening in their home. Just like 97, most came to Canada then went back a few years later.
Now they are planning to go back? Good, let my house value increase further.
 
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From 20% of China's GDP in 1997 to only less than 2% of China's GDP by now.

Hong Kong must take more time to reflect about themselves.

What more do you expect them to do? It is already a developed region, with per capita GDP 4 times that of mainland. It gets difficult to grow at this stage. It is the mainland which developed rapidly.
 
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What more do you expect them to do? It is already a developed region, with per capita GDP 4 times that of mainland. It gets difficult to grow at this stage. It is the mainland which developed rapidly.

Some Mainland cities like Shenzhen is on its way to pass HK in term of the GDP per capita.

Also, keep in mind that Shenzhen also has more population than HK.
 
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From 20% of China's GDP in 1997 to now only less than 2% of China's GDP.

Hong Kong must take more time to reflect about themselves.

That is probably a main reason why HKers are ticked off. They are not able to look down on the mainland's 土包子 anymore. Now they are the ones seeking tourism and trade from the mainland.

In essence, HK is become a normal city as Beijing, Shanghai has already surpassed HK in GDP.
 
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Some Mainland cities like Shenzhen is on its way to pass HK in term of the GDP per capita.

Also, keep in mind that Shenzhen also has more population than HK.

If wiki is believable, Shenzhen is almost half of HK in GDP per capita. (22k vs 41k). Besides, Shenzhen had special support of central govt in form of the industrial zone. HK should not be able to compete with the manufacturing hubs like Shenzhen, given the allotment of resources and overall development based on industries in mind. But for now, HK sits pretty high.
 
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Can I say I really hate the so called one country two system? What lunatic think it's a wise decision! I know it's pragmatic, but I hate Deng's pragmatism. This whole system just creates two strata of societies and is no good in long run unless the Mainland can move rapidly towards Hong Kong system. Why should mainland Chinese live under different system? Who dictates what system should one live under? The CCP's lack of confidence in its governing capabilities is clearly demonstrated in its handling of Hong Kong affairs.

Deng's pragmatism has been seriously questioned more and more recently. Pragmatism sometimes lacks long term vision even though it may create prosperity in short term.
 
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If wiki is believable, Shenzhen is almost half of HK in GDP per capita. (22k vs 41k). Besides, Shenzhen had special support of central govt in form of the industrial zone. HK should not be able to compete with the manufacturing hubs like Shenzhen, given the allotment of resources and overall development based on industries in mind. But for now, HK sits pretty high.

Nope HK's nominal is only 33k, 41k is PPP.
 
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it seems like HKers ever do is emigrate when something is happening in their home. Just like 97, most came to Canada then went back a few years later.
Now they are planning to go back? Good, let my house value increase further.

NO...keep them AWAY from here. I do not want people that come and go at a whim and never has true loyalty to any country.

I am still pissed at some of the first wave of HKers where we fast tracked their immigration to "rescue" them from evil China in 1997 only for them to do their business in Asia anyways, don't pay any tax, have their kids leave the moment they are done with our education, and the parents come back to "be a Canadian" when they get old.

At least the people from the China mainland cannot have dual citizenship so they either actually stay and contribute here in Canada, or they leave after their education and never come back.
 
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