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BTW, isn't your wife Cantonese speaker as well?

We don't have problem with the Cantonese speakers, since it is just one of many China's dialects, but we have a big problem with those pro-democrazy liberals.



You haven't even done your homework on Wikipedia, nuff said.

Yes, but she barely speaks the language as she was born in the US. Her parents were from Guangdong.

But it's no secret that Hong Kong and Guangdong has very pro-western liberals. I suppose its not good to generalise but from the people i've met, Cantonese speakers tend to be very anti-CPC.
 
Yes, but she barely speaks the language as she was born in the US. Her parents were from Guangdong.

But it's no secret that Hong Kong and Guangdong has very pro-western liberals. I suppose its not good to generalise but from the people i've met, Cantonese speakers tend to be very anti-CPC.

Yep, Guangdong is the most liberal place in China, even much more liberal than Shanghai.

But Shanghai still has some stronghold support for CPC since it was the birthplace of CPC.

Whereas Guangdong was the birthplace of KMT, so the sentiment is completely different.
 

Because most Cantonese are not fluent in Mandarin, it will create too many barriers to communicate with the rest of China, also the growth of the regionalism.

Overall, North China is conservative, Guangdong is liberal, whereas Shanghai is in between.

In Shanghai, many descendants of the rich landlords are pro-KMT, they are also the fellow Zhejiangnese of Chiang Kai-Shek. But the scientist elites are pro-CPC, and during the 1940-1950s, none of them accepted to defect towards KMT.

But recently with the strong migration from North-Central China moved towards Shanghai, the demography of Shanghai has been heavily shifted from moderately pro-CPC to strongly pro-CPC.

CPC also strongly encourages us to intermarry with the North Chinese, even Xinhua openly promotes that.

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I believe about 50% of younger generation in Shanghai and Jiangnan marrying with the North-Central Chinese, so CPC has quite successfully modified the demography structure in Shanghai and turned them into the pro-CPC demographic stronghold.

So I think the similar policy is also applied to Guangdong, but Cantonese are generally more culturally resilient than Shanghainese, so the assimilation will take a bit longer.
 
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Because most Cantonese are not fluent in Mandarin, it will create too many barriers to communicate with the rest of China, also the growth of the regionalism.

Overall, North China is conservative, Guangdong is liberal, whereas Shanghai is in between.

In Shanghai, many descendants of the rich landlords are pro-KMT, they are also the fellow Zhejiangnese of Chiang Kai-Shek. But the scientist elites are pro-CPC, and during the 1940-1950s, none of them accepted to defect towards KMT.

But recently with the strong migration from North-Central China moved towards Shanghai, the demography of Shanghai has been heavily shifted from moderately pro-CPC to strongly pro-CPC.

CPC also strongly encourages us to intermarry with the North Chinese, even Xinhua openly promotes that.

订做孩子?专家:血型比英俊重要 宜选南北通婚

I believe about 50% of younger generation in Shanghai and Jiangnan marrying with the North-Central Chinese, so CPC has quite successfully modified the demography structure in Shanghai and turned them into the pro-CPC demographic stronghold.

So I think the similar policy is also applied to Guangdong, but the Cantonese are generally more culturally resilient than Shanghainese, so the assimilation will take a bit longer.

This is smart on the part of the CPC. When you have different cultures and languages, it creates separatist feelings as can be seen in places in the Middle East and India.

If you are saying Guangdong is the final stronghold of the anti-CPC brigade, then its only right to make sure even Guangdong speaks Mandarin.
 
This is smart on the part of the CPC. When you have different cultures and languages, it creates separatist feelings as can be seen in places in the Middle East and India.

If you are saying Guangdong is the final stronghold of the anti-CPC brigade, then its only right to make sure even Guangdong speaks Mandarin.

Recently, CPC has purged on the pro-West media in Guangdong, many supervisors and editors were arrested.

And the stronghold of HK's supporters in Mainland China is always Guangdong because of the same dialect and sub-culture.

Because of the difference of the sub-cultures and dialects, we have clearly seen the live example in Ukraine.

That's why CPC's ultimate goal is to eliminate the difference between each Chinese sub-group.
 
Once you open the door for international businesses there is no room left for communism.
first of all, now China are in a situation what we call socialism.
most of them only heard from state run media.

this is like the joke, "the Martian looks weird"
If you want to say something with point, please dont make it up.
 
I'd say Hong Kong cops shoud be hated. What a bunch of clowns. They are hired to humiliate democracy?

It's hard to imagine Hong Kong is such lawless place.
 
An end to Hong Kong’s unrest is now more distant than ever
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Protesters in Hong Kong listen to speeches after talks planned for Friday between demonstrators and the government were called off.(Reuters/Carlos Barria)

  • HONG KONG—A resolution to the protests that have swept Hong Kong for the past two weeks drifted even further away today.

    Ahead of talks between students and the government planned for tomorrow, protesters announced a new wave of civil disobedience, partnering with sympathetic lawmakers who vowed to veto government funding measures until concrete political reform is passed. Within a few hours, the city’s second-in-command, chief secretary Carrie Lam, abruptly called off the talks, saying it was “impossible to have a constructive meeting” with student leaders.

    The moves threaten to intensify the unrest, after days of relative calm in which protesters ceded territory, officials stressed the importance of dialogue, and police kept their distance from demonstrators.

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    Beijing has stated unequivocally that it will not reconsider an August 31 ruling that candidates for Hong Kong’s highest office will be selected by a committee dominated by largely pro-China loyalists, and not nominated by the public. Lam said that the students had not met the government’s conditions for negotiations, namely that the discussions were “to be within the framework” of Beijing’s decision and not be linked to the Occupy movement.

    “This is proof that the government has no intention to meet at all, they are just finding excuses to refuse meeting,” student group Scholarism said in a statement. Before the government called off talks, Scholarism leader Joshua Wong said students would launch another wave of class boycotts—schools reopened this week—and street protests every day if their requests weren’t met. For its part, the Hong Kong Federation of Students called on its supporters to come out: “The government has shut out dialogue, we will hold the streets.” Student leaders are planning a mass rally tonight in Admiralty, the main protest site.


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    “The government has shut out dialogue, we will hold the streets.”(Hong Kong Federation of Students)
    A reinvigorated protest movement, allied with pro-democracy legislators, could make things increasingly uncomfortable for the Hong Kong establishment. Pro-democracy lawmakers occupy 27 of Hong Kong’s 70-member legislative council seats, and they may be able to exert an outsized impact on what gets funded in the city next year.

    In recent days all but one of these council members applied to be on the “public works” and “establishment” subcommittees, which approve funding for public projects and nominate directors to the finance committee. Pro-democracy members now outnumber pro-establishment legislators on both subcommittees. Chairman of these committees are elected by a simple majority, and have huge sway over the outcome of funding proposals.

    The administration of Hong Kong chief executive Leung Chun-ying, better known as CY Leung, has “has lost its legitimacy to govern,” Hong Kong legislator Alan Leong said at a press conference held at the epicenter of the protest movement, a public space outside government headquarters that protesters have now dubbed “Umbrella Square.”

    Friction between the pro-democracy legislators and their pro-Beijing peers has already resulted in numerous showdowns which threatened to cripple the city financially even before the protests erupted. Hong Kong’s annual budget was only passed after a 130-hour filibuster that left several departments critically short of cash, and only after three pro-democracy lawmakers were were expelled from the proceedings.

    The number of protesters has dwindled these week to the hundreds, after tens of thousands poured into the streets last week. Critics say local residents are growing impatient and that demonstrators are tired of a lack of results, but protesters say that supporters will be easy mobilize again. Speaking at the press conference today, Wong acknowledged that an escalation would further inconvenience Hong Kong residents, telling the crowd, “We try to use a short-term burden on our daily life to exchange for political reform and true universal suffrage.”

    For now, Hong Kong risks descending into near chaos, according to Emily Lau Wai-hing, a Hong Kong legislative council member. “Beijing’s got to yield,” she told Quartz ahead of today’s press conference. “We are almost ungovernable,” she said, gesturing to the roads outside of government offices, cut off by the protests that may be set to grow in the days ahead.
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Protest leaders announce a new wave of civil disobedience. Sign says "Insist on fighting for universal suffrage."
 
HK young people pushed the democracy reform, because HK don't have something to be proud off anymore against mainland cities.

HK young people believe, democracy is something they have, while the poor mainlander don't have.

Ex-rich-boy in crisis.


In 20+ years from now, I don't think HK is something special anymore.
 
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Some Chinese Leaders Claim U.S. and Britain Are Behind Hong Kong Protests
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Protests on Friday in support of free elections without restrictions in Hong Kong. Credit Rolex Dela Pena/European Pressphoto Agency

HONG KONG — One of the young protesters directing traffic on Friday morning at a street barricade here was wearing a reproduction of British military fatigues, complete with a Union Jack on the shoulder. In any other city, the outfit might have been dismissed as hipster chic. But in Hong Kong, it caused a stir.

An older demonstrator approached and said the uniform was a bad idea because it might suggest foreign influence over the pro-democracy protests, especially given Hong Kong’s status as a former British colony. Then a young woman wearing a blue dress to show support for the police strode by, stuck out her right arm and gave him a thumbs down.

“They are the minority,” she said of the protesters. Declining to give her name, she added, “They are motivated by some forces behind them. They have huge supplies, so many masks — I think it is American money.”
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For nine days, waves of pro-democracy protests engulfed Hong Kong, swelling at times to tens of thousands of people and raising tensions with Beijing.

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The Chinese government’s stand also reflects its longstanding national security concerns about Hong Kong — and pervasive suspicions among Chinese officials, their local allies and a segment of the public that the protesters receive foreign support.

Some officials contend that the United States and Britain wield so much influence in Hong Kong that China cannot open the nomination process for candidates to succeed Hong Kong’s chief executive, Leung Chun-ying, in 2017 as protesters have demanded. Doing so, they argue, risks allowing voters to be manipulated and a puppet of the West to take power.

“Strategically, there is an American pivot to Asia still going on, so can you imagine it will not make use of the current turmoil?” asked Lau Nai-keung, a member of a Hong Kong committee that advises China’s legislature. “This is how the Beijing leadership views what is going on.”

Those who sympathize with the democracy movement tend to dismiss such concerns as paranoia. But many who back the government insist these worries are justified given the 155 years Hong Kong spent as a British colony and the unique autonomy it enjoys in China, not to mention the mixed record of the United States in toppling governments overseas in the name of spreading democracy.

Demographics are a cause for concern, too. Three-fifths of the population in Hong Kong grew up and went to school while it was governed by Britain. Many resident, as much as a tenth, have sworn loyalty to another government and carry passports from Canada, Australia, the United States and elsewhere, many acquired in the years immediately before Hong Kong’s return to Chinese rule in 1997.

The city also has one of Asia’s largest concentrations of foreign diplomats and is home to several nongovernmental organizations deemed hostile by China, like the Catholic Church, the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International.

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The crowds at the main sit-in site in Hong Kong dwindled during the workweek, but on Friday night, thousands of residents rallied again near the government’s offices. The demonstration was intended as a show of strength and resolve after a senior official abruptly canceled talks with student leaders the day before and said that the protests were waning. “It’s like they’re treating us like foolish sheep, and people don’t like that. I came to show we’re still a big number,” said Philip Yue, a law student.

Chinese officials, in public and in private, have been quick to portray the protests as the latest in a series of Western-sponsored color revolutions after those in the former Soviet Union and the Middle East. They have seized on any hint that the demonstrators might be inspired by foreign powers, especially the United States and to a lesser extent Britain, to make their case.

“People will find that supporting color revolutions has already become a habit and mission of some people in the United States,” wrote Wu Sike, a longtime Chinese diplomat, in Liberation Daily, the official paper of the Communist Party in Shanghai.

There is no dispute that diplomats representing the United States and other Western governments have met on occasion with members of the pro-democracy camp, nor that American-funded nongovernmental organizations have invited Hong Kong citizens to conferences extolling the merits of democracy.

But in several dozen interviews with protesters and protest leaders over the last week, all emphatically denied that their movement had been directed or manipulated in any way by any foreign government. The United States has also denied playing any guiding role here.

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A pro-democracy activist in Hong Kong on Friday wearing replica British military fatigues, an outfit that met with some disapproval. Credit Chris Mcgrath/Getty Images
“What is happening in Hong Kong is about the people of Hong Kong, and any assertion otherwise is an attempt to distract from the issue at hand, which is the people of Hong Kong expressing their desire for universal suffrage and an election that provides a meaningful choice of candidates representative of the voters’ will,” said Scott Robinson, the spokesman for the United States Consulate in Hong Kong. He added that, “U.S. diplomats regularly meet with a broad cross-section of Hong Kong society both in Hong Kong and in Washington and do not support any particular political party or person.”

Such statements, though, have been met with skepticism by many in government circles, and pro-Chinese lawmakers in Hong Kong have called for an investigation into how the protests have been funded and organized.

“Nobody is saying that they are on the front lines directing this or that, but they have been doing this concertedly for five or six years, grooming all of these activists, providing them with theories and tactics,” said one person involved in the government’s decision-making on the protests who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

When pressed for names of activists who might fall into this category, this person demurred. But he went on to criticize the protesters for singing “Happy Birthday” to drown out pro-government hecklers, saying that this was a tactic borrowed from American-backed supporters of democracy in other countries. “It’s peaceful, but it’s a kind of violence,” in that it infringes on the free speech of the demonstrators’ critics, he said.

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The protesters have offered a more innocent explanation: They adopted the tactic because some of the bullhorns they use are programmed to play the song.

According to its annual reports, the National Endowment for Democracy, a nonprofit directly supported by Washington, distributed $755,000 in grants in Hong Kong in 2012, and an additional $695,000 last year, to encourage the development of democratic institutions. Some of that money was earmarked “to develop the capacity of citizens — particularly university students — to more effectively participate in the public debate on political reform.”

The reference to university students has drawn particular attention from China’s supporters, because student groups have been at the forefront of the protests. But Jane Riley Jacobsen, a spokeswoman for the N.E.D., said the group had not financed civil disobedience training for Hong Kong residents.

The N.E.D. also hosted a briefing in Washington last April featuring two of Hong Kong’s most influential advocates of democracy in recent decades, Martin Lee and Anson Chan, who angered Chinese leadership by lobbying American politicians to support the democracy movement, an act that critics likened to inviting foreign intervention. China has long portrayed Mr. Lee, 76, as a tool of Britain and the United States.

Another target of criticism for pro-China politicians and media in Hong Kong is the United States Consulate, which is often depicted as a base for conducting surveillance and espionage to target China, with more than 1,000 American employees. That image was reinforced by Edward J. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who briefly sought refuge in Hong Kong and told a local newspaper that the United States had hacked into Pacnet, a global telecommunications firm in Hong Kong with ties to mainland China’s top mobile operators.

In reality, said Mr. Robinson, the United States Consulate spokesman, the consulate employs fewer than 150 Americans.

Protest leaders said they had not received any funding from the United States government or nonprofit groups affiliated with it. Chinese officials choose to blame hidden foreign forces, they argued, in part because they find it difficult to accept that so many ordinary people in Hong Kong want democracy.

“It has always been Beijing’s inner demon,” said Alex Chow, the secretary general of the Hong Kong Federation of Students, one of the main protest groups, “easily falling into its own fears.”
 
Once you open the door for international businesses there is no room left for communism.

Actually,China is a capitalist states now.International business have got into China for 35 years,And China changed every time in this period,from culture to politics.

Communism became a lie,and CPC need this lie to protect its legitimacy in China. Since 1928, CPC promised all of us that making a government stand for the poor people,and capitalism would finally make the country stand only for the rich. This words were said time and time again in the first 30 years of the Republic. If CPC admit capitalism,how can CPC keep the legitimacy? People fight for it and died millions for it against KMT party which stand for capitalism(the governing party in China,1925-1948,and the governing party in Taiwan nowadays.). If one day CPC stand for capitalism as well, the lives people had paid in internal war during 1945-1949 should be meaningless. CPC could not stand for capitalism in public.

If Deng Xiaoping admit capitalism openly at 1978,the year that China terminate Culture revolution. it means internal war against the army and the majority of people(elder people). So CPC could not stand for capitalism until the right time come, or we will find the un-solvable problem in capitalism(Imperialism or economic harzard) and find a new way. However, actually CPC's applying state capitalism now,a different kind capitalism from the US. (By the way, Deng is on charge by politic coup. That's why this 35 years in China is so different from the first 30 years(1949-1978). They are actually different party!)

There's a photo taken by a free-photographer that well known in zhihu website,Chinese Quora. It named "left-leaning".go and find the answer by yourself.
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(Characters on bridge is "follow the party, go to the new glorious." Try to find something funny in this picture.)

China is not democracy states, but it's not dictatorial country either. it use the politic structure simply like the old Rome. republic inter hundreds Of CPC governor(people called them "red nobleman" for irony because they betrayed communism and democracy, their family got special position dislike simple people as they declared),leading by 7-9 big boss(member of the Standing Committee national,somekind like The Presbyterian Church,the chairman Candidates should rise by their decision). Some guys considered China as a dictatorial country because only CPC can lead the way of China. These guys are really too naive,they did not learn an old Chinese idiom: Wherever there are more than one people, there are factions strife. Some big boss stand for red noble(establish people), some are for capitalism, some stick to communism.

Unfortunately, sometimes the one stand for capitalism are stand for the red noble as well, if they win, they shall make this country a real dictator. but not all of the boss capitalists are that stupid, Xi Jinping got the support from both good capitalist and communist boss, because the majority of the politician are patriot, they care China more than The nothingness of the political ideal. After 100 years weakness and being invaded time, we all know that only patriotism can save us from the harsh, only all be assembled as one can help us rise. Basically, we are all Utilitarian from ancient to now, the only one we worship are our Ancestors. our indigenous religion(Taoism)'s god is human, is the symbol of our ancestor. In the past we thought some kind of practice can make a man to a god(superman, like Olympics gods, not the god). if the god brings us benefits, we pretend to worship, if they do not bring benefits, we discard(Emm....elders are often worship several different religions at the same time,wish at least one of them can let his or her wish come true). We treat political philosophy in the same way(of course there are some fanatics,but they are real minority.)

Oh, my discussion goes to far, let us back to nowadays. This year, struggling against corruption is vast exist from officers to the top politic group, they are fight and prison each other by "the name of law", many governors commit suicide or be thrown into prison. as an old Chinese idiom said: who wins, who's the king; who lose, who's the criminal. The majority of people trust Xi, we will wipe some of those established people away to stop the imperialize progress. Also the enemy elders will help us to clean some corrupt governors of Xi's side. As what we did in the ancient, Tang Danasty(the most strong period in China's history), top politicians kill each other for grabbing politic power, use minimal armed force(100-1000 people,not army men), keep the political war far from civilians, and help our country clean and be heal in this progress.

All words above is my perception and cognition on China politics, it's totally not from textbook or propaganda. Wish you guys like it and real percept what China politics is. We are civilians, not barbarian or mindless slaves. When we guys from all over the world talk about China. Could we be more reasonable?

One more thing, Chinesetiger1986 talks too offensive, I should say sorry. You know, on the net, people like him is all over the world. But this kind of comment is not the main stream of the educated(Emm...I mean university educated people) . Don't mind it,have a nice day.

My English is not as good to discuss such a complex topic, hope my word not bring too much language mistake, and you fellow enjoy it.
Once you open the door for international businesses there is no room left for communism.
 
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