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China have to be Hated to be Strong? The rising of next Superpower

Act responsibile for the world will not become a superpower, act on their own behalf will........

The real question is, how many people will Chinese pissed off before getting to that point?

How can China use "soft power" if she doesn't act responsibly or at least pretending to be? [especially in case she has to compete with an existing superpower]

attack the near and ally the distance. vietnam did it so well in the past decades.
eg.1:Vietnam ally Soviet Union, and antagonize China!
eg.2:Vietnam ally other countries such as US,japan, and antagonize China!

Vietnamese treasure the neighbours so much.

We often say "Bán anh em xa mua láng giềng gần", the implying is "adjacent neighbours are precious much more than brothers who are far​​ from"

However, in case they caused for us so many troubles, things will be changed...
 
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The problem is China lacking foreign relation, they literally do not engge in any political decision, most of the time they throw the vote on the UN or intentionally bid against the west, regardless what the vote is for.

You cannot make friend (Or enemy) by not engaging, the more you engage, the more friend you will earn, hence the more foreign relation policy, on the other hand, you make enemy along the way, My wife seems to think this is the only way fo China to actual become a superpower, do what american do, flex muscle throughtout the world.

number of veto
Russia:128
US:83(59 Individual Combat, in which 42 of them for Israel)
England:32(22 times with US)
France:18(13 times with US and England)
China:9(1971-1978:one for Pak, one for Palestine;2001-2012:4times with Russia for Myanmar, Zimbabwe and Syria )
 
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China has achieved so much economically, militarily and in almost all walks of life. Nations keep evolving for their own good and one mustn't forget that this world is full of haters.
People already see China as an economic super power but it will soon become a military super power too , better than usa and ussr.
 
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China has achieved so much economically, militarily and in almost all walks of life. Nations keep evolving for their own good and one mustn't forget that this world is full of haters.
People already see China as an economic super power but it will soon become a military super power too , better than usa and ussr.

Thank you for your support!

against the odds! we are hanging in there!
 
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How can China use "soft power" if she doesn't act responsibly or at least pretending to be? [especially in case she has to compete with an existing superpower]

we are acting responsibly only the vassal states of the empire help throw bad light on us



Vietnamese treasure the neighbours so much.

We often say "Bán anh em xa mua láng giềng gần", the implying is "adjacent neighbours are precious much more than brothers who are far​​ from"


However, in case they caused for us so many troubles, things will be changed...

so you vietnamese have learnt so many good things from us and not repaying!

与邻为善、以邻为伴 is the principle of our foreign policy. we cant stop some of our neighbours behaving nastily!
 
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number of veto
Russia:128
US:83(59 Individual Combat, in which 42 of them for Israel)
England:32(22 times with US)
France:18(13 times with US and England)
China:9(1971-1978:one for Pak, one for Palestine;2001-2012:4times with Russia for Myanmar, Zimbabwe and Syria )

This reminds me of the doping accusation of our champion swimmers during UK Olympics. US has the highest dope counts in all sporting history yet with the finger pointing and baseless accusations.
 
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How can China use "soft power" if she doesn't act responsibly or at least pretending to be? [especially in case she has to compete with an existing superpower]



Vietnamese treasure the neighbours so much.

We often say "Bán anh em xa mua láng giềng gần", the implying is "adjacent neighbours are precious much more than brothers who are far​​ from"

However, in case they caused for us so many troubles, things will be changed...

The problem with Vietnam and Chinese is either side still have not got over the fact that they are in different ideology, when America was fighting in Vietnam, the Chinese helped Vietnam simply think they can assert some sort of control to them, the problem is the ideaology of what Ho Chi Ming Belive in Vietnamese Vietnam while Mao believe in a co-operate state Communist Vietnam.

From begining to the end, it's not on Ho's mind that they will align to Chinese Style communism.

Today, Chinese lack of foreign relation proven to be one of the major fact that prohibit them from becoming a superpower.

number of veto
Russia:128
US:83(59 Individual Combat, in which 42 of them for Israel)
England:32(22 times with US)
France:18(13 times with US and England)
China:9(1971-1978:one for Pak, one for Palestine;2001-2012:4times with Russia for Myanmar, Zimbabwe and Syria )

Is this suppose to counter my point or support my point as you just illustrate what i said in my post.

In UNSC, veto is the ultimate power, you can go with the flow and become a yes man to everyone, or you can use your veto power and make fuzz (and friend), you will not gain friend by supporting a UNSC resolution. The GREATEST power of the permanent member comes in a form for vetoing any resolution that to be make.

For an example, US use it veto power to veto almost all Israel or Middle Affair that did not go their way, hence they protect Israeli and american interest and damage the enemy of Israel by veto certain motion.

Russia did that to cover their interest in Former SV country. (Mostly from Russian Caucasus)

Different country use their Veto power different, yet China only use it 13 times during a course of 30 years?

That's not political active my friend.

CHINA, USE YOUR VETO POWER MORE

China has achieved so much economically, militarily and in almost all walks of life. Nations keep evolving for their own good and one mustn't forget that this world is full of haters.
People already see China as an economic super power but it will soon become a military super power too , better than usa and ussr.

It's rich is one thing, being strong is another, you cannot be a superpower just for being rich, that's how Japan got drag down by its financial crisis.

This reminds me of the doping accusation of our champion swimmers during UK Olympics. US has the highest dope counts in all sporting history yet with the finger pointing and baseless accusations.

You are right, USADA has accused the most of international doping with or without evidence, however, the specific incident you said is not accused by the USADA, rather the Australian Media who lost out many medal in Swimming. THe only thing US remotely have the comment on it is when the dude (Male swimmer who won over Mike Phelps) said that girl swim faster than he is in the last 50 meter. WHat he is is pointing out to the fact (SHe did swim faster than him) and how did you and the public think of it is everybody games.

Don't forget the biggest drug cheat in the history of sport is Lance Armstrong, and who dope him in while everyone don't want to believe? USADA
 
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we are acting responsibly only the vassal states of the empire help throw bad light on us

so you vietnamese have learnt so many good things from us and not repaying!
与邻为善、以邻为伴 is the principle of our foreign policy. we cant stop some of our neighbours behaving nastily!


I have to correct you a bit. Nobody in Vietnam denies Chinese influence in many fields including the imperial administrative system, architecture, philosophy, religion, literature, etc.. but why should we repay you? Does China never copy from the West? Will you repay them?

However, in adopting Chinese version that does not mean that we accept Chinese supremacy in Vietnam and in the region. We ourselves have ambitions. Nastily is your view!
 
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The problem with Vietnam and Chinese is either side still have not got over the fact that they are in different ideology, when America was fighting in Vietnam, the Chinese helped Vietnam simply think they can assert some sort of control to them, the problem is the ideaology of what Ho Chi Ming Belive in Vietnamese Vietnam while Mao believe in a co-operate state Communist Vietnam.

From begining to the end, it's not on Ho's mind that they will align to Chinese Style communism.

Today, Chinese lack of foreign relation proven to be one of the major fact that prohibit them from becoming a superpower.


Yes, they have different ideology!

Vietnam, China and their people are very close in many fields including culture and custom. Though we are divided in some major views how we see the world. One of those conflicts is the different view on the role of women. Since ancient Vietnam women have played a bigger role than their sisters in China.

The first ever war between Vietnam and China was due to this conflict.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...t-history-first-sino-vietnam-war-40-43-a.html
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China’s repressive regime, taxation of goods, imprisonment of “uncooperative” Vietnamese, and confiscation of lands was causing open hostility among the aristocracy and peasant populations. Most importantly for our heroines, the Chinese replaced the Vietnamese matriarchal family-system with its strict patriarchal system with rigid social control."
 
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so you vietnamese have learnt so many good things from us and not repaying!

与邻为善、以邻为伴 is the principle of our foreign policy. we cant stop some of our neighbours behaving nastily!

We have learnt that from Chinese? No, the thought of the Chinese are opposed to us. As your fellow Mage Budds said, One of the most famous strategies from Sun Tzu is said to be "attack the near and Ally the Distant".

It is completely different from our idea.

See again Budds Mage's comment that I quoted below:

One of the most famous strategies from Sun Tzu is said to be "attack the near and ally the distant". That's what we're trying to do now to prepare for the inevitable confrontation with the US' back to asia strategy.
 
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The problem with Vietnam and Chinese is either side still have not got over the fact that they are in different ideology, when America was fighting in Vietnam, the Chinese helped Vietnam simply think they can assert some sort of control to them, the problem is the ideaology of what Ho Chi Ming Belive in Vietnamese Vietnam while Mao believe in a co-operate state Communist Vietnam.

From begining to the end, it's not on Ho's mind that they will align to Chinese Style communism.

Today, Chinese lack of foreign relation proven to be one of the major fact that prohibit them from becoming a superpower.

China simply did not want the U.S to come to near its southern borders. All what they did do to "help" Vietnam that was just for that. They want Vietnam to become the 2nd Korea (North - South).This caused a disagreement between the communist governments of the two countries (North Vietnam and China).

Fortunately, we did not welcome Maoist ideology. Look at, How Maoism has been applied by Khmer Rouge in Cambodia (!?)

Back to the story, I'm talking about responsible act, the story here is for the problems of the world in general, not just with China's neighbours at neighbourhood.
 
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We have learnt that from Chinese? No, the thought of the Chinese are opposed to us. As your fellow Mage Budds said, One of the most famous strategies from Sun Tzu is said to be "attack the near and Ally the Distant".

It is completely different from our idea.

See again Budds Mage's comment that I quoted below:

the Sun Tzu quote is applicable in wartimes only
 
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I have to correct you a bit. Nobody in Vietnam denies Chinese influence in many fields including the imperial administrative system, architecture, philosophy, religion, literature, etc.. but why should we repay you?

Repaying has the implication of refraining and backing off from your illegal occupation in SCS! That is just a basic demand!

Does China never copy from the West? Will you repay them?

mutual! we are not occupying their land!


However, in adopting Chinese version that does not mean that we accept Chinese supremacy in Vietnam and in the region. We ourselves have ambitions. Nastily is your view!

I dont mind your ambition but not extending your ambition to nastily taking our territories as yours
 
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I dont mind your ambition but not extending your ambition to nastily taking our territories as yours

Please show me timeline that we "taking" your territories?

For example, in the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos, we have controlled them from the 15th century without any clash with the Chinese there. Meanwhile, the official maps of China until 1930s which were not mentioned the two archipelagos of the Vietnamese.

How do you think we did get them from the Chinese?
 
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