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China Has Been Inflating Its Exports Numbers All Year, In Some Cases Doubli

The most modern area of Bombay is more modern looking than the area in Shanghai that is about to be demolished. I should of guess this is what the Indian PM meant when he said that in 5 years, people will forget about Shanghai when compare to Bombay.



Forgive them as they are still worship the British. So its something to brag about.

You do realize that people don't need permits to enter Mumbai, Delhi or any other urban area in India. It is called freedom of movement and it is a basic human right given to citizens. Even if the Indian Government tried to stop migration the Indian people would oppose it - heck, the daft Government which would try to implement such a bill would be shot down by an independent judiciary. I realize the Chinese people have yet to grow a backbone and force their Government to give them these basic human rights. But in a few hundred years, when your society too evolves your great great great grand children do have a glimmer of hope.

Götterdämmerung;4309692 said:
You didn't say which one but made a general statement. Is that how Indians are speaking with a forked tongue?

So now are you saying none of these companies are from the Nazi era? I know VW is, so is BASF.
 
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So now are you saying none of these companies are from the Nazi era? I know VW is, so is BASF.

Stop lying!

BASF was founded even before the Kaiserreich. :lol:
BASF - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The only company out of all the ones I mentioned that was founded during the Nazi time was Volkswagen. So your statement that our businesses were jump started by Nazi slave labour is a lie. :lol:


BTW, since India still practices bonded slavery, how come none of your companies managed to be in the top?
 
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And apparently so is Siemens - they supplied the gas used to kill the Jews, your beloved Daimler used Jews as slaves and help build V2 rockets and lastly so is BMW - Quandt has deep Nazi ties - nice going - so thanks for pointing it out - all 5 companies you mentioned had Nazi ties and in some way or the other and used these.

Götterdämmerung;4309724 said:
Stop lying!

BASF was founded even before the Kaiserreich. :lol:
BASF - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The only company out of all the ones I mentioned that was founded during the Nazi time was Volkswagen. So your statement that our businesses were jump started by Nazi slave labour is a lie. :lol:


BTW, since India still practices bonded slavery, how come none of your companies managed to be in the top?

How am I lying?
In 1925, BASF merged with Bayer, Hoechst and three other companies to form I.G. Farbenindustrie AG. Between 1933 and 1945, I.G. Farben played a central role in the Nazi economy. During World War II, the company manufactured poison gas used at extermination camps and employed forced and slave labor. Several company directors and senior managers were tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

This is from Wikipedia
Are you disputing this?
 
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^^^^

Dumbnut.

You based your argument on Wiki? Anybody can edit Wiki. Yes, I am disputing that.

I have never heard of anyone present Wiki in court as evidence.
 
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OH MY GOD. CHINA IS IMPLODING!!! LETS RUN FOR OUR LIVES!!!!

BBC News - China's ambitious plans for its huge reserves

China's ambitious plans for its huge reserves

Is it possible to have too much of a good thing?

I ask, because while so many Western governments spend sleepless nights worrying about the size of their trade deficits, China has the opposite problem.

Thanks to its export success, China is the world's largest holder of foreign exchange reserves. Those reserves are growing all the time and currently stand at a record $3.44 trillion. That's $3,440,000,000,000 if you want all the zeros, or basically the size of the entire German economy.

What's in the reserves is a state secret, but a report in the China Securities Journal a few years ago revealed that 65% was held in dollars, 26% in euros, 5% in pounds and 3% in yen.

The Chinese are the largest holder of US government debt after the US central bank, the Federal Reserve. They also own European government debt, but perhaps not as many bonds from those troubled countries on the periphery as the eurozone governments would like to see.

During the height of the euro crisis the single currency would rise with every indication, sign, hint or vague rumour that China was planning to buy euro area bonds.

You might think that a trade surplus the size of China's would be good news. But according to People's Bank of China officials such as Deputy Governor Yi Gang, it's actually posing problems because of the fixed exchange rate.

Challenges
Holding reserves is a way to protect a country's currency from attack, as selling reserves can help sustain the value of a currency. It's a lesson that central banks learned after the Asian financial crisis.

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For China, the yuan floats within a narrow band of 1% on either side of a peg, so reserves are helpful. But it's unclear how much a country really needs.

It's not just a worry that the US dollar or euro will depreciate. The concern is also due to reserves contributing too much cash in the economy. That's leading to price rises, including in housing.

When a central bank accumulates reserves, it prints cash (yuan) to buy the dollars, euros, pounds and yen that it adds to its reserves. To prevent that cash from generating inflation (imagine if China added $3.4tn of cash to its $8tn economy), the central bank "sterilises" its actions by withdrawing the equivalent amount of cash from the economy.

It does this by paying interest on money that commercial banks deposit back at the central bank, so encouraging them to leave their cash there.

Sterilisation tends to be incomplete, as banks may want to earn a better return elsewhere instead of parking money at the central bank.

China does it better than most since it has a largely state-owned banking system which tends to do what it's told. Nevertheless, the reserves are still a source of excess money or liquidity.
Compounding the problem is the worry that the central bank may not be earning a great return on those reserves, as the yields (or interest rates) on US and European government bonds are low.

So, instead, China is using its reserves to finance overseas investment. China wants to buy real assets - like ports, utilities, natural resources, technology and financial companies.

This has two benefits for the Chinese.

As well as the hope that real companies will earn better returns than financial instruments, it also helps them to achieve a larger economic goal - to build Chinese multinational companies.

China's 'going out' policy
Globally competitive firms could help China raise its technological capacity and productivity. That is key to sustaining economic growth. China would like to follow the example of other countries that have become rich - like South Korea or Taiwan - and develop successful global brands like Samsung and HTC.

This was China's aim when it launched the "going global" or "going out" policy in 2000. The first ever commercial overseas investment was in 2003-04 in Europe when the Chinese firm TCL bought France's Thomson brand. Since then, outward foreign direct investment has grown exponentially and reached record levels.

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Chinese direct investment abroad 1982-2010 (US$bn) Source: IMF
Last December was also the first time in which monthly data showed the amount invested overseas exceeded inward investment. That switch is typically an indicator of a country reaching a level of economic development.

State-owned enterprises have invested overseas for more than three decades and will continue to do so. China's state-owned firm, State Grid, the world's largest utility company, has just announced a second foray into Australia's energy market.

But the outward investment is diverse. It isn't just resources and energy. The largest regions for investment are other parts of Asia, followed by Latin America and then Europe.


China's overseas investment
Region Total Largest recipient of investment
SOURCE: IMF STOCK OF OVERSEAS DIRECT INVESTMENT (END 2011)
Asia
$303.4bn
Hong Kong ($262bn)
Latin America
$55.2bn
Cayman Islands ($21.7bn)
Europe
$24.5bn
Russia ($3.8bn)
Africa
$16.2bn
South Africa ($4.1bn)
North America
$13.5bn
US ($9bn)
Oceania
$12bn
Australia ($11bn)
Chinese firms have to receive permission to invest overseas, as the country still controls capital movements. Thus, Chinese investments are driven by what can almost be described as "competitive disadvantage". That is, they invest where the Chinese economy needs bolstering.

So, it's not just resources but also technology and higher valued services - which is why the countries receiving the most investment (excepting places like Hong Kong or the Cayman Islands) are Australia, Singapore and the United States.

However, Chinese investment is not always popular in the countries receiving it. State-financed investment can generate a political backlash, as has been seen in Australia and the United States.

Plus, private Chinese firms can find it challenging to operate due to a lack of transparency as to what is state and what is private. This suggests an important area of reform for China, which is to make it clearer the sources of financing for its overseas deals and the ownership of Chinese companies.

Problem solves itself
Chances are, China won't be running the large trade surpluses of the past.

Last year, the surplus fell to less than 3% of GDP from the over 10% reached before the 2008 global financial crisis. They won't sell as much to overseas markets as those economies slowly recover, so China is unlikely to accumulate reserves to the same extent as before.

It also means that it will be more important for Chinese overseas investment to be accepted since China will rely more on having productive and competitive multinational firms to grow. And those firms may increasingly need to raise financing on a more competitive basis.

What is clear that we will see Chinese companies increasingly on the global stage. Their success will matter not only for the companies, but also for the country's continuing growth.
 
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You make hard earned money from your sweatshops to feed western demand. Then you put same money back into USA coffers and call it debt? What if in a national emergency as was in 2011 USA tries to seize that money, what will you do, sit and cry? You just became the biggest suckers in history, first britian , then japan and now Usa?

BTW Here:

The Foreign exchange reserves of the People's Republic of China are mainly composed of US dollar in the forms of US government bonds and institutional bonds, and excludes reserves held by Hong Kong and Macau. As of the end of 2012, the reserve holds $3.3 trillion, making it the highest foreign exchange reserve in the world and far exceeded holdings of the next largest holder, Japan (~$1 trillion). The reserve is governed by State Administration of Foreign Exchange and People's Bank of China all of which are under operation of the Bank of China. An estimated two-thirds of these reserves are held in dollar-denominated assets whilst it is predicted that a quarter of the reserves are euro-denominated.
 
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Götterdämmerung;4309653 said:
LOL

Have you checked Forbes list? Volkswagen at # 12, Daimler at #21, Siemens at # 47, BASF at # 62, BMW at # 69 .... and Reliance, India's biggest company is at #99.

Siemens alone has more Patents granted per year than the whole India.



Of course you don't have to feel being threatened by German companies since we are not in the same league. And unlike the UK, we never deindustrialised and let our premium companies rot. Indian companies were able to gobble up LR and Jaguar because the Arericans who bought them treated them like unwanted stepchildren. BTW, Volkswagen and BMW bought Rolls Royce and Bentley. Have you ever heard us bragging about that?

You don't get it do you? Forbes list of fortune companies makes sense from an investment point of view NOT from strategic importance.
Reliance doesn't make cars (like VW). It's got a very very strategic presence in oil and gas with some of the biggest refineries in the world under it's belt. Going by pure revenues, Walmart will have a good 400 B because of the amount of inventory that comes inside and goes outside their system, doesn't mean they give great strategic power.

In any case Indians are better managers. Tatas have same revenues as VW but makes twice the profit. Now go figure.

Like I said, despite your hot air you're quite stupid.
 
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BTW I'm guessing you're a pakistani - canadian version of Abingdonboy. Go to wiki and check out cuffe parade skyline (2005?) vs worli bandra (2012) one. Face the fact........Currently Mumbai is home to largest number of under construction supertalls and skyscrapers in the World and from 2013 onwards these will be operational (thread running here). Even Ping An's construction in Shanghai is now doubtful. :nana:
 
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Guys - lets stick to the topic of China's inflated import and export numbers and stop replying to false flagger trollposts about India..

Manufacturing data in the last several months has suggested that economic growth around the world is slowing. However, China’s export growth surprised the market this week and unexpectedly accelerated in April, even as shipments to the U.S. and Europe fell. This has created a conundrum for analysts and market watchers. How can China be growing while the countries that purchase its exports are slowing? The numbers don’t add up.

Digging deeper into these figures, several analysts have come to the conclusion that the numbers are faulty. Bank of America Corp. and Mizuho Securities Co. analysts have gone so far to say the figures have been inflated by fake reports. An “astounding” 92.9 percent jump in exports to Hong Kong, the most in 18 years, raises questions on data quality, researcher IHS Inc. said. They even call some of the data ‘absurd’, suggesting that exporters are ‘faking orders’ to obtain export-tax rebates. These observations challenge the credibility of Chinese economic data once again.

It is has been suggested that China’s robust appetite for commodities from iron ore to crude oil show that Chinese domestic demand is healthy, alleviating concerns about a renewed slowdown. China’s recent surge in gold imports puts this ‘increase in domestic demand’ observation into question. Our analysis shows that trade statistics are biased by the large gold inflows the country has experienced over the past few years. Because gold imports are accounted for in the “import” numbers of the current account (instead of the capital account like other investments), they artificially inflate the total import numbers published in the Financial Press. We say “inflate” because gold, unlike other materials, is mostly used for investment purposes and as such should not qualify as an import of “goods and services”, which is used to measure real economic activity. Now that China is importing significant quantities of gold, trade flow numbers are becoming more distorted.

When we strip out the ‘gold effect’, we find that 37% of the increase in imports over the last 12 months into China is due to the massive amount of gold that’s being imported. In Table A, gross imports increased by $82 billion, but $30 billion of this increase was from gold alone. Put another way, more than one third of China’s import growth has been solely from its citizens’ desire to own gold and not from a growing domestic economy.

Many analysts have attributed China’s increasing imports as signs of a healthy manufacturing sector, or increasing investments in infrastructure and property. Our simple analysis shows that more than one third of the increase in imports is due to China’s increasing gold consumption. We expect this will only increase in the near future when the explosion of gold buying in April is accounted for. New reports have suggested that Chinese housewives (affectionately known as ‘aunties’ according to the Beijing Daily newspaper) have purchased as much as 300 tons of gold in the past three weeks alone, worth almost $16 billion USD. This new gold buying could have a significant impact on Chinese import statistics and force analysts to reconsider the strength of the Chinese domestic economy.

Eric Sprott: The Golden Answer To Chinese Import Data | Zero Hedge
 
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You do realize that people don't need permits to enter Mumbai, Delhi or any other urban area in India. It is called freedom of movement and it is a basic human right given to citizens. Even if the Indian Government tried to stop migration the Indian people would oppose it - heck, the daft Government which would try to implement such a bill would be shot down by an independent judiciary. I realize the Chinese people have yet to grow a backbone and force their Government to give them these basic human rights. But in a few hundred years, when your society too evolves your great great great grand children do have a glimmer of hope.



So now are you saying none of these companies are from the Nazi era? I know VW is, so is BASF.
Hukou system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A hukou is a record in the system of household registration required by law in the People's Republic of China (mainland China). The system itself is more properly called "huji", and has origins in ancient China.

A household registration record officially identifies a person as a resident of an area and includes identifying information such as name, parents, spouse, and date of birth.

A hukou can also refer to a family register in many contexts since the household registration record (simplified Chinese: 户籍謄本; traditional Chinese: 戶籍謄本; pinyin: hùjí téngběn) is issued per family, and usually includes the births, deaths, marriages, divorces, and moves, of all members in the family. A similar household registration system exists within the public administration structures of Japan (koseki), Vietnam (Hộ khẩu), and North Korea (Hoju). In South Korea, the Hoju system was abolished on 1 January 2008. Propiska in the Soviet Union had a similar purpose.
In PRC, the Hukou system work more or less like an internal immigration system. People that wishes to move their residency from one region to another need official application and approval. It is tighten and relax just like how a country would control immigration.

It is useful for limitation of mass population movement and ensure local civil stability. It is also important for census and population control.

With the increasing urbanization of the Chinese population, the system was increasing being criticized to be unfair. It is being reform slowly with limitation becoming more and more relax.

You speak of human right, but Chinese understand the empowerment of the individual right comes only after the collective right and the importance of development in an orderly manner.

And the existence of the Hukou system is precisely why you cannot find picture of sprawling slum in the most populace country in the world.
 
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The Chinese yuan is gaining against the US dollar while the Indian rupee is dropping like a stone vs the same,again!
 
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The Chinese yuan is gaining against the US dollar while the Indian rupee is dropping like a stone vs the same,again!

That could be bad for Chinese reserve holdings of Indian rupee.
 
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The most modern area of Bombay is more modern looking than the area in Shanghai that is about to be demolished. I should of guess this is what the Indian PM meant when he said that in 5 years, people will forget about Shanghai when compare to Bombay.



Forgive them as they are still worship the British. So its something to brag about.

Why did you come to this thread?
 
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Wishful illogical Indian nonsense thread. Chinese dragon is generous labeling them as 'borderline' retardation', I would rather call them retards straight out. The logic of one country's export being another country's import is simply too hard for some to grasp.

Idiot such reports are all over the media since a long time and none of them prepared by any Indian but retards like u wont see that but will jump up to the only one way of taking out frustration that is by attacking the messengers. Looking at your retarded comments I can tell u chose the perfect picture of urs as our profile pic. I can imagine you as nothing better than the chimp in the pic only problem is u r left out of our cage.
 
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