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Don’t underestimate the US and it’s ability to re-industrialize. Also, the US would leverage the collective shipyards of its own and its allies to build up a fleet as needed. The future IS frigate is a derivative of the Italian FREMM design. Cruise ship shipyards can be converted by European firms to build warships. If the situation required it, US shipyards could go into partnerships with Japanese and South Korean shipyards, and train up local staff over a few years.

Take the collective shipbuilding capacity of the US and all its allies and partners and run the calculations again.

As far as Chinese GDP goes, it can still catch-up to the US if it has more wealthier customers to buy its goods. Doubling down on BRI (such as rail lines across Africa), to lower transit costs, could free up more money for Africans and others to spend on more Chinese goods.
Yes, South Korea and Japan still have shipbuilding capacity. But plz Google it, most of the workers in shipyards in South Korea and Japan come from Shandong Province, China. South Korea and Japan even set up special shipping routes for shipbuilding workers.

First of all, we don't talk about how the USA buys enough shipbuilding machinery from China (such as gantry cranes, floating cranes, hoists, etc.), nor how to quickly manufacture dry docks. How can the USA find enough Shipbuilding Workers?

Most importantly, do Americans really dare to let South Korea and Japan expand their navies and share sea power?
 
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Don’t underestimate the US and it’s ability to re-industrialize. Also, the US would leverage the collective shipyards of its own and its allies to build up a fleet as needed. The future IS frigate is a derivative of the Italian FREMM design. Cruise ship shipyards can be converted by European firms to build warships. If the situation required it, US shipyards could go into partnerships with Japanese and South Korean shipyards, and train up local staff over a few years.

Take the collective shipbuilding capacity of the US and all its allies and partners and run the calculations again.

As far as Chinese GDP goes, it can still catch-up to the US if it has more wealthier customers to buy its goods. Doubling down on BRI (such as rail lines across Africa), to lower transit costs, could free up more money for Africans and others to spend on more Chinese goods.

The fiasco of the Ford class proves that the US shipbuilding industry is pretty much screwed.

Now they have to keep building every faulty ships of the Ford class in order to maintain the worker team of the shipyard.

Otherwise, if the construction has halted, the remaining team of the skillful workers will all get disbanded and laid off.

The lead ship CVN-78 has already being commissioned for 1/10 of its lifespan, yet it is still far from being combat ready.

The components of the CVN-79 again got cannibalized by the CVN-78 for messing up the entire supply chain thanks to Trump's trade war.

It looks like the US military industrial complex has been hit harder by the trade war than China's.
 
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Why are these Chinese starving then?
Why isn't food available to your citizens?
Seems like China is the only country forced into lockdowns and starving its citizens.

It's human nature to want to disobey lockdowns. They can excape but their code is red. You see th traffic outside? That tells me it's a targeted lock in an infected area.

You sure they are starving? Or its hyped up? You can have camera man walking and no one delivering food? Use some common sense bhai. China is not India. The government actually delivers food, not as efficient as we wanted but they do. The biggest mistake Shanghai did was cutting the delivery services for the first weeks, then they learnt their mistake. Guangdong did remarkably well with this regard even providing accomindsation for delivery riders.

It looks like the youths of the West/Japan/South Korea are more prone to lying flat than the youths from China.
They just don't want to do this kinda job anymore.
 
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Yes, you are right. Investors are moving away from countries that fabricate economic data.




Consequently, between 2019 and 2021, the share of FDI inflows to China (including that to Hong Kong) went up from 14.5% to 20.3%, while that to India shrunk from 3.4% to 2.8%.


India’s Share of Global FDI Inflows Shrinks Sharply​


The World Investment Report 2022 shows that the structure of global foreign direct investment (FDI) flows has been affected significantly by the pandemic. The report brought out by the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) indicates that global FDI inflows staged a smart recovery in 2021 rising by a substantial 64.3% to touch $1.58 trillion, thus surpassing the pre-pandemic flows. This is in sharp contrast to the 35% fall in FDI inflows to $963 billion in 2020.

A major consequence of the pandemic was that the share of FDI inflows to developed economies slipped to just around one-third in 2020, the lowest recorded. Though the FDI inflows to developed economies more than doubled to $746 billion in 2021, its share in global FDI inflows still remained lower than that of the developing economies. A major reason for the shrinking share of developed economies in global FDI inflows is the decline of inflows into the European Union (EU) for two consecutive years, which reduced its share in global FDI inflows from around a quarter to less than a tenth.

Another major consequence of the pandemic was that FDI outflows from developed countries rose sharply from around two-thirds of the global outflows in the pre-pandemic years to around three-fourths in 2021. This surge was mainly powered by the United States (US), which now emerged as the largest source of FDIs. The US now accounts for close to a quarter of global FDI outflows, marginally exceeding even that of the EU. Another major change noticed after the pandemic was that, for the first time, in many years, the global outflows of FDI from almost all major developed countries were higher than their FDI inflows.

Similarly, another major fallout of the pandemic was that the developing countries have now become the dominant beneficiaries of global FDI inflows with its share exceeding that of developed countries both in 2020 and 2021. However, the pickup in FDI inflows to developing economies was sharply skewed. While FDI inflows to Africa more than doubled to $82.9 billion in 2021 and that to South America surged by three-fourths to $88 billion, both flows probably buoyed up by the global commodity boom. However, FDI inflows into Asia barely grew by around one-fifth. And this was also highly skewed. While inflows increased by around half in South East Asia and West Asia, it declined by a quarter in South Asia.

What is surprising is that the disruption of supply chains and the setback to globalisation during the pandemic seems to have had no significant impact on the geographical distribution of FDI inflows. Though many developed countries repeatedly promised to reduce the global dependence on China’s exports and ward off trade vulnerabilities by diverting investments to other areas, these initiatives seem to have floundered. In fact, the trends show that the result has been the opposite with FDI inflows to China accelerating even as FDI inflows to other developing countries like India falter badly.

Consequently, between 2019 and 2021, the share of FDI inflows to China (including that to Hong Kong) went up from 14.5% to 20.3%, while that to India shrunk from 3.4% to 2.8%. Certainly, India seems to have failed to take advantage of the new opportunities offered by the pandemic. The efforts to persuade the world to bring in increasingly larger share of the FDI flows within its shores and diversify the global supply chains have apparently not borne fruit. Similarly, the slowdown in the economy has also affected FDI outflows from India with its share in global FDI outflows slumping down to 2.8%, the lowest level across the last four years.

The Government of India data on the FDI show that equity inflows have declined by around one-fifth to $51.3 billion in 2021. However, the decline was not uniform. While FDI inflows from Mauritius, the largest contributor to the cumulative FDI inflows into India, more than doubled to $8.7 billion in 2021, that from Germany and Japan increased by around a quarter. However, FDI inflows from almost all other major investor nations declined. While FDI from Singapore, the US, the Netherlands, and United Arab Emirates fell by more than a quarter, that from the United Kingdom and Cayman Islands fell by around one-fifth.

However, the bulk of decline in FDI flows in 2021 was due to the fall in investments in the computer software and hardware, the biggest segment, which fell by half to $12 billion. Similarly, FDI inflows into infrastructure and construction sectors also declined by half. Surprisingly, FDI inflows to services (that include finance, banking, insurance, research and development, and others), which account for more than a tenth of the total FDI inflows, rose by a quarter to touch $6.5 billion in 2021. In manufacturing, the improvement in FDI inflows was largely confined to automobiles, drugs and pharmaceuticals. Clearly, India still has a long way to go to emerge as a manufacturing hub in the global economy.

The steady decline of FDI outflows from the EU is a major setback for India, more so because India has failed to tap the potential for increasing inflows from the US, which has emerged as the largest source of FDI outflows. The consequent slump in the share of FDI inflows into India should set alarm bells ringing in the government. Certainly, it is still not too late to woo new investments to reduce global supply chain vulnerabilities and the excessive dependence on China.

Dont understand how indians shamelessly continue to point finger at China when indians themselves sleep in a pile of cra*. Indians and shamelessness go hand in hand.
 
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Its CCP nature to kill off chinese.
More than happy for it.


Still would like to hear why China is the only country in the world enforcing lockdown?

Vaccines failed?
So how many did we kill? I know how many we saved though, 1.6mil. US has 10k dead people monthly, we choose to save lives, thats our choice until a new antiviral is developed. I remember many people in India were laughing when we locked down Wuhan. They weren't laughing when they started burning bodies. Do you know how may people are locked down in China? I can tell you one city was locked down for 7 days, and there are less than 500 infections a day, and those lockdown areas are not citywide. We judge the pros and cons, and weight the cost and benefit. In this case preventing 1.6mil deaths and super crazy hospitalization is key.

Irregardless of vaccines, covid has a 0.3% death rate and the current numbers in US proves this. India is hiding their number of course.

Bhai, its 2 b





Bhai, its 2 billion frozen because of a pyramid scheme. The people protested against the bank while flying Chinese flags and CCP logos. They want the central gov to punish that bank. Its 2 billion not 200 billion, India probably has 2 billion siphoned daily.
 
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So how many did we kill? I know how many we saved though, 1.6mil. US has 10k dead people monthly, we choose to save lives, thats our choice until a new antiviral is developed. I remember many people in India were laughing when we locked down Wuhan. They weren't laughing when they started burning bodies. Do you know how may people are locked down in China? I can tell you one city was locked down for 7 days, and there are less than 500 infections a day, and those lockdown areas are not citywide. We judge the pros and cons, and weight the cost and benefit. In this case preventing 1.6mil deaths and super crazy hospitalization is key.

Irregardless of vaccines, covid has a 0.3% death rate and the current numbers in US proves this. India is hiding their number of course.
These Indian relatives lie in the temporary incinerator in the park, and they compete with each other for every piece of firewood. But, they inexplicably asked the Chinese to blame CCP.

In the last 10 years alone, my salary has increased fourfold. Why should I blame CCP?

 
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Yes, South Korea and Japan still have shipbuilding capacity. But plz Google it, most of the workers in shipyards in South Korea and Japan come from Shandong Province, China. South Korea and Japan even set up special shipping routes for shipbuilding workers.

First of all, we don't talk about how the USA buys enough shipbuilding machinery from China (such as gantry cranes, floating cranes, hoists, etc.), nor how to quickly manufacture dry docks. How can the USA find enough Shipbuilding Workers?

Most importantly, do Americans really dare to let South Korea and Japan expand their navies and share sea power?
Local Workers can be trained. If Japan is increasing its defense budget (of which perhaps the lion’s share will go to the navy) it can afford to pay local more to reinvest their shipbuilding industry and workforce

The fiasco of the Ford class proves that the US shipbuilding industry is pretty much screwed.

Now they have to keep building every faulty ships of the Ford class in order to maintain the worker team of the shipyard.

Otherwise, if the construction has halted, the remaining team of the skillful workers will all get disbanded and laid off.

The lead ship CVN-78 has already being commissioned for 1/10 of its lifespan, yet it is still far from being combat ready.

The components of the CVN-79 again got cannibalized by the CVN-78 for messing up the entire supply chain thanks to Trump's trade war.

It looks like the US military industrial complex has been hit harder by the trade war than China's.
I’m not sure how credible these claims are, but for the sake of argument, let’s say they are true. If the US becomes serious about overcoming these issues and is willing to put in the funds, it can go through a buildup like the Reagan buildup of the 1980s. This would require either raising taxes or cutting social spending, and the next time a Republican is in the White House with a Republican controlled Congress (both houses under Republican control), that’s what I expect them to do. Hundreds of Billions over a decade just to build up the US Navy and US marine Corp to take on the PLAN. Just recently a $2.5 Billion program was started to launch 28 satellites over the next 2-3 years to track hypersonic missiles, and five guidance to US navy interceptors. Don’t under-estimate the US industry with the right drive behind it.
 
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Local Workers can be trained. If Japan is increasing its defense budget (of which perhaps the lion’s share will go to the navy) it can afford to pay local more to reinvest their shipbuilding industry and workforce


I’m not sure how credible these claims are, but for the sake of argument, let’s say they are true. If the US becomes serious about overcoming these issues and is willing to put in the funds, it can go through a buildup like the Reagan buildup of the 1980s. This would require either raising taxes or cutting social spending, and the next time a Republican is in the White House with a Republican controlled Congress (both houses under Republican control), that’s what I expect them to do. Hundreds of Billions over a decade just to build up the US Navy and US marine Corp to take on the PLAN. Just recently a $2.5 Billion program was started to launch 28 satellites over the next 2-3 years to track hypersonic missiles, and five guidance to US navy interceptors. Don’t under-estimate the US industry with the right drive behind it.

I don't want to underestimate nor overestimate them.

They are also deadly serious about their crumbling infrastructure, since it has become a top priority for the national security issue. But so far, nothing has been done.

The modern day Anglo-Saxons have already lost the spirit of their ancestors.


 
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I don't want to underestimate nor overestimate them.

They are also deadly serious about their crumbling infrastructure, since it has become a top priority for the national security issue. But so far, nothing has been done.

The modern day Anglo-Saxons have already lost the spirit of their ancestors.


They key are defense contractors and media rhetoric. As soon as they play up the “China Threat” an additional 50-100 Billions a year can go into defense procurements along with pressing allies and partners to raise their defense spending as they are doing right now.

This is why, not being drawn into a war is best, for both sides (and bad for defense contractors), but also why China needs other friendly nations to be economically strong enough to buy its defense products and consumer goods. There is a lot of potential grow in the developing world, and a better place for China to ramp up investment to grow its own economy. An example would be Chinese digital currency in Africa, especially along train routes China plans o build. African goods can be sold quickly (amongst Africans as well as Chinese) at markets near train depots, with locals earning more profits which can be spend on goods in the markets. With the extra profits locals can invest in their own skill development or investment in their own export earning businesses. A stable currency outside of the CFR Franc (which is depreciating with the depreciation of the Euro) will allow Africans to keep more of their money as well as get out of the grip of the French, because they will actually have a alternative choice.
 
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They key are defense contractors and media rhetoric. As soon as they play up the “China Threat” an additional 50-100 Billions a year can go into defense procurements along with pressing allies and partners to raise their defense spending as they are doing right now.

This is why, not being drawn into a war is best, for both sides (and bad for defense contractors), but also why China needs other friendly nations to be economically strong enough to buy its defense products and consumer goods. There is a lot of potential grow in the developing world, and a better place for China to ramp up investment to grow its own economy. An example would be Chinese digital currency in Africa, especially along train routes China plans o build. African goods can be sold quickly (amongst Africans as well as Chinese) at markets near train depots, with locals earning more profits which can be spend on goods in the markets. With the extra profits locals can invest in their own skill development or investment in their own export earning businesses. A stable currency outside of the CFR Franc (which is depreciating with the depreciation of the Euro) will allow Africans to keep more of their money as well as get out of the grip of the French, because they will actually have a alternative choice.

The US has to maintain the so-called military superiority.

Otherwise, the USD is going to become more worthless than toilet paper.

But it is already starting to fall apart, even starting with their Anglo-Saxon blood brothers.



This is simply unimaginable back in 20 years ago, even in 10 years ago.

Remember when Saddam wanted to settle his oil with Euro.
 
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The US has to maintain the so-called military superiority.

Otherwise, the USD is going to become more worthless than toilet paper.

But it is already starting to fall apart, even starting with their Anglo-Saxon blood brothers.



This is simply unimaginable back in 20 years ago, even in 10 years ago.

Remember when Saddam wanted to settle his oil with Euro.
The dollar is still very stable, Euro is getting weaker. Also, getting more counties to back up more of their reserves in RMB is a good way to support the Chinese economy, considering most countries already buy a lot of Chinese products.

The key is these countries need help growing their economies and export earning industries.
 
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The dollar is still very stable, Euro is getting weaker. Also, getting more counties to back up more of their reserves in RMB is a good way to support the Chinese economy, considering most countries already buy a lot of Chinese products.

The key is these countries need help growing their economies and export earning industries.

Facing the fierce competition from the RMB, the dollar has to cannibalize their euro brother.

Without the dollar hegemony, the US simply cannot sustain a new arm race with China.

Heck, even Fox News knows that.



Their hatred towards China is now purely driving by fear, and has superseded the factor of racism.
 
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At present, NND&DD is the only shipyard in the USA that can manufacture aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and other large warships.

Even there are only five shipyards can capable of manufacturing small warships.

You'd better not think that money can quickly restore shipbuilding capacity. It takes a long time for professional workers required by modern shipbuilding to complete training.

In China, there are more than 100 shipyards in Jiangsu Province alone that can manufacture warships of the class 054A, and all three aircraft carriers are manufactured in different shipyards.

China's shipbuilding capacity is 30 times that of the USA(per year 12 million tons:0.4 million tons)

The cost of shipbuilding in China is less than half that in the USA
055's cost is $0.9 billion.
Burke's cost $2.58 billion.

China's military expenditure is 1.5% of GDP.
USA's military expenditure is 4% of GDP.

We welcome the USA to enter into a naval arms race with us.
The race is on if you haven’t noticed. Tell me one country that lowers defense spending? Japan wants to increase military spending to 2 percent of GDP.
 
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