China forced abortion photo sparks outrage

[Roybot]

China apologises for forced abortion - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[fly2012]

The official law forces abortion as the only option. You are hung up on the 7 month case. I'm stressing the forced abortion laws. Tell us if the financial penalty is so severe that 99% can't pay it- what is the alternative? To abort- that's it. That is why it is called a forced abortion law.

If I give you option to pay such a severe fee that will effectively starve your family to death vs. abortion- what ill you pick? I don't need to step into china. this is not a new thing - there 100's of articles about it written for years. Hell we have your blind lawyer in our country that had to escape because he spoke up against the same laws!

Again, you know nothing about this and it is becoming even laughable. My family have 3 kids and because of the violation, my father lost one salary promotion ($1 a month in 1980), he did get depressed for a while, not because the money itself, but because he earned less than his classmates and at that time it seems that is a lifetime gap. He did get warned before hand but my father desperately wanted a daughter so we cannot complain. The financial penelty is based on your income, if you are rich, yes, you get a lot of penalty. But officially there's never a force abortion law.

Let's talk on Indian topic where you know better.

 

[JayAtl]

Again, you know nothing about this and it is becoming even laughable. My family have 3 kids and because of the violation, my father lost one salary promotion ($1 a month in 1980), he did get depressed for a while, not because the money itself, but because he earned less than his classmates and at that time it seems that is a lifetime gap. He did get warned before hand but my father desperately wanted a daughter so we cannot complain. The financial penelty is based on your income, if you are rich, yes, you get a lot of penalty. But officially there's never a force abortion law.

Let's talk on Indian topic where you know better.

You may think that we in the US would fall for the brainwashing and talking points you were given prior to arriving here. But that would be your folly...
lying in hopes your personal anecdote is accepted is wishful thinking

EIJING — Thirty years after it introduced some of the world’s most sweeping population-control measures, the Chinese government continues to use a variety of coercive family planning tactics, from financial penalties for households that violate the restrictions to the forced sterilization of women who have already had one child, according to a report issued by a human rights group.

The report, published Tuesday by Chinese Human Rights Defenders, documents breadwinners who lose their jobs after the birth of a second child, campaigns that reward citizens for reporting on the reproductive secrets of their neighbors and expectant mothers dragged into operating rooms for late-term abortions.

Not uncommon, according to the report, are the experiences of women like Li Hongmei, 24, a factory employee from Anhui Province who was at home recovering from the birth of her daughter when a dozen men employed by the local government carried her off to a hospital for a tubal ligation. “I promised I would have the surgery when I got better but they didn’t care,” Ms. Li said in a telephone interview. “I screamed and tried to fight them off but it was no use.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/world/asia/22population.htm

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[JayAtl]

Harrowing details have emerged in recent news reports of alleged forced abortions in China's impoverished Guangxi province. Earlier this month as many as 61 pregnant women were injected with an abortive drug after being dragged to local hospitals, according to media accounts. Human rights activists say actions allegedly carried out by family planning officials there are unlikely to be isolated. Along with forced sterilization and other coercive methods of birth control, forced abortion continues to be practiced occasionally by officials in remote parts of China despite its having been banned by the central government in Beijing.

Read more: Why Forced Abortions Persist in China - TIME

 

[fly2012]

You may think that we in the US would fall for the brainwashing and talking points you were given prior to arriving here. But that would be your folly...
lying in hopes your personal anecdote is accepted is wishful thinking

I always laugh at people that who call others brainwashed. So you believe something that you read, even calling people who actually have first hand experienced lying, isn't this exactly "brainwashed"??

I can give you tons of examples of US police brutalities, should I say that it is a national policy for police to abuse minorities? All links you gave is about China's one-child policy, which do exist, where's the link the law saying enforced abortion is part of the policy?

It is just ridiculous that you know how many siblings I have better than I do.

 

[JayAtl]

I always laugh at people that who call others brainwashed. So you believe something that you read, even calling people who actually have first hand experienced lying, isn't this exactly "brainwashed"??

I can give you tons of examples of US police brutalities, should I say that it is a national policy for police to abuse minorities? All links you gave is about China's one-child policy, which do exist, where's the link the law saying enforced abortion is part of the policy?

It is just ridiculous that you know how many siblings I have better than I do.

but of course what your govt says to you is truth vs. what your citizens reports . You did not even read any links where they talk about forced abortions and sterilizations in many of them. Just were happy to propagate the CCP talking point. No doubt your family paid off corrupt officials but the forced abortions is not taking place at your families income level rather disproportionately on the poor and in rural areas. No matter how many articles we show you that it your govt mandated policies forcing abortions and sterilization - your singular anecdote is to be taken as the norm. Btw when did you move to our country?

Despite the growing consensus calling for change, however, Beijing continues to make enforcement of the policy one of the two main yardsticks by which the performance of local bureaucrats — and hence their prospects for advancement — are judged. (The other is tax collection.) It is this pressure from above to comply with population quotas that prompts local officials to adopt measures such as forced abortion (sometimes heart-rendingly late in term), forced sterilization and the like, says Nicolas Becquelin of New York-based Human Rights in China.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1615936,00.html#ixzz1xq0LTKQv

 

[fly2012]

Harrowing details have emerged in recent news reports of alleged forced abortions in China's impoverished Guangxi province. Earlier this month as many as 61 pregnant women were injected with an abortive drug after being dragged to local hospitals, according to media accounts. Human rights activists say actions allegedly carried out by family planning officials there are unlikely to be isolated. Along with forced sterilization and other coercive methods of birth control, forced abortion continues to be practiced occasionally by officials in remote parts of China despite its having been banned by the central government in Beijing.

Read more: Why Forced Abortions Persist in China - TIME

All these examples exactly proved that these are violations commited by local officials so that they don't look incapable. This is like Caste system in India, it is officially illegal but still widely practiced, especially in remote areas that government have less control. If with your logic, I will make a claim saying caste system is still a national policy in India and if you no, I will give you tons of links in western paper that showing horrible caste based human right violations exist daily in India and call you brainwashed, what would you say?

I just don't want to sink to your level so let's end this nonsense.

 

[JayAtl]

All these examples exactly proved that these are violations commited by local officials so that they don't look incapable. This is like Caste system in India, it is officially illegal but still widely practiced, especially in remote areas that government have less control. If with your logic, I will make a claim saying caste system is still a national policy in India and if you no, I will give you tons of links in western paper that showing horrible caste based human right violations exist daily in India and call you brainwashed, what would you say?

I just don't want to sink to your level so let's end this nonsense.

DUDE caste is society evil not a government mandate that forces it. YOU are so brainwashed that you don't even bother to read now that you are outside that country and allowed access to open media. Even after quoting you articles here you refuse to read. such is the strong influence to kow tow to the CCP.

"Beijing continues to make enforcement of the policy one of the two main yardsticks by which the performance of local bureaucrats — and hence their prospects for advancement — are judged. (The other is tax collection.) It is this pressure from above to comply with population quotas that prompts local officials to adopt measures such as forced abortion (sometimes heart-rendingly late in term), forced sterilization

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...ion-photo-sparks-outrage-6.html#ixzz1xq1RKnQ2

if you tie their prospects to children rates then you effectively cause force abortions and sterilizations. Just because it is executed by " locals" it does not absolve the CCP who is making / creating such an environment. why after knowing for decades this is forcing abortions do they not change the policy- because that plays into their goal.

 

[Jackdaws]

While this is disgusting and any sane minded person would agree that it is disgusting - I would like to ask a question to the Chinese posters here -

If the one-child policy is so stringent - what happens if a woman is pregnant with twins or triplets? Does the Govt. let the parent keep both/all the children?

 

[Hack-Hook]

What the ****? Do you think a woman will be thinking about possibly being pregnant just AFTER the trauma of being raped? How dare you even suggest that?

I assure you its one of the first thing they think of and also its one of the first things they must think of .

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Sick

 

[JayAtl]

I assure you its one of the first thing they think of and also its one of the first things they must think of .

WHAT DA~ you say women think of getting pregnant after a trauma of being raped and must think of it( your reply to his post above)? That is why you guys are always going to be backward with such vile and ignorant views. To think you come into the world from mothers... heh

 

[ashokdeiva]

Not just few guys most of the guys with the exception of few who take pride in their country getting bashed and come to defense of bashers in every other thread..

there is no pride in replying in the same bashing tone, you guys think you are some kind of warriors who expose their ability to fight in the real world in a internet forum and say the people who are sane as traitors.
when you or any other guy deispite their nationality bash the country that you think as your enemy, think twice about your country's status in the same topic and keep quite rather initiat a word of war or agument a troll thread.

 

[JayAtl]

Feng Jianmei, 23, was beaten by officials and forced to abort the baby at seven months on June 2 because her family could not afford a 40,000 yuan ($6,300) fine for having a second child, Chinese media reported this week

China suspends officials in forced abortion case - Yahoo! News

what ! it's not just a few dollars fine as we being told by the Chinese here?

 

[Jackdaws]

what ! it's not just a few dollars fine as we being told by the Chinese here?

According to Mark communism was the highest happiness of the greatest number. Something got lost in translation when translated to Chinese. Mark meant greatest number of people - not people with the greatest number of currency notes. Just saying.