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very difficult, IOS and Android together pretty much capitalized all the smart phone's OS fields, they set the standard that everyone has to follow it, and apply their line of rules and laws to write programs
 
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Alibaba eyes its own OS to run China smartphones :enjoy:

Published: 4:02 AM, December 9, 2014

BEIJING — Alibaba Group Holding wants its mobile operating system to run millions of smartphones in China. The fastest solution: Spend some of its cash hoard on a handset maker.

Vice-chairman Joseph Tsai said last month that Alibaba’s homegrown system, YunOS, can knit services together for the company as Asia’s largest e-commerce giant steps beyond clothes and gadgets to entertainment and healthcare. With a market value of US$266 billion (S$351 billion), Alibaba has struggled to push YunOS in China, where more than nine out of 10 mobile devices use Google’s Android.

Alibaba could pursue a possible stake in Xiaomi, China’s largest smartphone seller. Or it could invest in Hong Kong-listed Coolpad Group to guarantee that YunOS is installed on the factory floor. Another option is to target one of the dozens of smaller, closely held manufacturers in China, said research firm Canalys.

“We expect Alibaba to take several attempts at the smartphone market over the next decade,” said Mr Neil Mawston, executive director in the global wireless practice at Strategy Analytics. Mr Bob Christie, a spokesman for Alibaba, declined to comment on whether the company is interested in Xiaomi or Coolpad.

Alibaba runs marketplaces including Taobao, which links individual buyers and sellers, and Tmall.com, which connects retailers and consumers. The company’s mobile operating system is key because China’s online shoppers are migrating from computers to phones and tablets. Alibaba wants YunOS to connect its ever-widening range of services.

Mr Tsai said Alibaba’s long-term goal is to have YunOS in tens of millions of smartphones. That aim dovetails with the government’s push for manufacturers to reduce dependence on Android and its promotion of national champions to rival Google and Apple.

“Local smart devices are heavily reliant on the Android camp,” China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology wrote in a report last February. “The development of self-made operating systems is significantly difficult.”

Some smaller manufactures have adopted YunOS. Shenzhen Sang Fei Consumer Communications makes phones running the operating system under the Philips brand and Meizu Technology adopted YunOS this year. Even so, Alibaba does not yet have a backer among the biggest handset vendors in China.

“We always take the long view — 10, 15 years,” Mr Tsai said. “What really matters is that in the long run, a lot of people will be using phones with our OS.”

Android has such a grip in China, the world’s largest smartphone market, that Alibaba needs to do more than just make another mobile operating system, said Ms Vanessa Zeng, an analyst at Forrester Research. A collaboration with Xiaomi is a possibility because Alibaba will struggle to win market share on its own, she said.

BLOOMBERG

Almost late.. Almost.. It has a very little chance of success. Let's see what they can do. Whatever you do please first try it in China. Because if it fails, let it fail in China. If you fail internationally effects will be much worse.
 
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liquid crystal panel: -5
solid waste: -4
fuel oil: -4


mostly due to industry output increase inside China, the import decreases....
 
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Almost late.. Almost.. It has a very little chance of success. Let's see what they can do. Whatever you do please first try it in China. Because if it fails, let it fail in China. If you fail internationally effects will be much worse.
people are free to choose which OS they want
 
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China should build factories in space in the future, then China will not only the factory of the world but also factory of the solar system (sans pollution). :D
 
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It is better for China to ignore them alone and stay steady on what China thinks is right for its people who have so far built a strong country with a lot more to be done.

It is a nowhere to be a smooth process. Mistakes are bound to be made and lesson to be learned. National economy has to factor in external factors as well as internal. External factors are harder (or impossible) to control, so, as the Chinese government knows very well, the key is to build a strong domestic economy with healthy manufacturing and consumption built on a state-of-the-art infrastructure.

Every penny spent on infrastructure is worth it.

Take the Indian example, and do not do what they do.

True. If the road to being a rich, develop country is smooth every country will be rich. There will be bruises, scrapes, along the way but as long as you are resilient and stay the course you can overcome that.
 
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European analysts project healthy growth of Chinese economy - Xinhua | English.news.cn

European analysts project healthy growth of Chinese economy
English.news.cn 2014-12-09 21:30:56

BRUSSELS, Dec. 9 (Xinhua) -- The current Chinese economic slowdown is only natural and, given the existence of strong growth factors, not worrying, said European analysts.

They also expressed confidence that the world's second largest economy will see steady and healthy growth in 2015, which will be based more on consumption and less on investment.

NO NEED TO SET A SPECIFIC GROWTH TARGET

Amid speculations that China will adjust its growth target further down to 7 percent or may even not set a mark at all, Daniel Gros, director of the Center for European Policy Studies, said there is no necessity to set a specific growth target.

"The Chinese government should refrain from giving a number for GDP growth next year, because the Chinese economy is in transition, when it is very difficult to predict growth," Gros told Xinhua.

"Moreover, the government itself has acknowledged that the quality of growth is now more important than the quantity. This is why the priority should now be targets in terms of the environment," he added.

China does not need a specific growth target the way it did in the past, said Fredrik Erixon, director of the European Center for International Political Economy.

"China should have advanced growth estimates, which of course is necessary for budgetary planning, but it should try to get away from the perception that the merits of economic policy stand or fall with hitting a precise target," Erixon told Xinhua in a recent interview.

With economic globalization, Erixon noted, it is necessary to be less strict about a growth target but more attentive to structural problems and economic imbalances.

A NATURAL AND STRUCTURAL SLOWDOWN

Looking back to the Chinese economy in 2014, the two European experts maintained that the Chinese economy is experiencing a natural and structural slowdown.

"The Chinese economy is experiencing a natural reduction in its growth rate since the low-hanging fruits in terms of bringing the excess rural population to the cities have been harvested already," said Gros.

"However, the situation is not worrying in the medium run since there are still strong growth factors," said Gros.

He noted that the quality of youth education is making more innovation and indigenous high-tech production possible. Moreover, infrastructure still needs to be improved in the western part of the country.

Yet he also stressed that there is still an excessive dependency on construction and real estate. "These sectors are important, but should not be kept alive through low interest rates," he said.

STEADY GROWTH FOR NEXT YEAR

On the outlook of the Chinese economy, Gros said China should see steady growth next year, hopefully based more on consumption and less on investment.

"The key point in the long term is to establish the supremacy of the rule of law. Another key point is to deal with the sale of land to developers: this is an endless source of temptation for corruption," he added.

Erixon said China's growth can still be healthy and, by international standards, strong. But the three mechanisms that have underlined growth in the past -- high investment levels, big monetary stimulus and export surplus -- will not deliver growth in the same way they did in the past.

He explained that China should get some tailwind from the recovering world economy and move up to a higher growth trajectory next year.

The fall in oil prices is also likely to give a boost to the growth of an energy-intensive economy like China, Erixon said.
 
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Not everyone of those 1+ billion people can afford those expensive apartments and condos, and those who can, they may not want to move to places in the middle of nowhere, they have other options in the vicinity, that's why those ghost cities exist. :)

I also need to reply to @Chinese-Dragon and @Genesis , since I participate from my mobile between my work/travelling; the response could be delayed, please accept my apology for that.

Actually no, that's not why those ghost cities exist, so not only do you have no idea about these "ghost" cities, you don't even know why they are there and what the plan is for them?

That's excellent.
 
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Actually no, that's not why those ghost cities exist, so not only do you have no idea about these "ghost" cities, you don't even know why they are there and what the plan is for them?

LOL. Indeed, true. Excellent!

Alipay bill brings memories and booming business

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Alipay bill brings memories and booming business [File photo]



Yvonne Fang could not believe her eyes when she saw a total transaction volume of 500,000 yuan (81,000 U.S. dollars) on Alipay over the past 10 years.

"I hope my husband never sees the bill," she joked.

Alipay, an online payment platform launched by Alibaba in 2004, sent reports to its 300 million users on Monday detailing their spending over the past ten years.

The reports showed spending and investment through Alipay, together with an estimate of the users' assets in another 10 years judging from the spending and investment history.

Reviewing her spending since 2007, Fang, 30, found the first item she bought online was a blouse for only 69 yuan, one third of the tag price. "I even showed it off to my foreign colleague and recommended she turn to online shopping," recalled Fang, who now works at an international public relations company.

During her time spending online, she has grown from a fresh graduate into the mother of a two-year-old girl. The items she bought have also changed from clothes for her and her boyfriend, to furniture for their home, to baby things. "How time flies," she said.

The record not only brought a lot of memories, but exposed just how big the e-payment business has become in China.

According to the overall report, also released on Monday, the number of Alipay transactions reached 42.3 billion, with Guangdong, Zhejiang, Shanghai, Beijing and Jiangsu the top five regions.


Apart from online shopping, the report also included payments for mobiles, electricity and gas, credit card payments and fund transfers; services that Alipay offers free of charge.

Mobile payments accounted for over 50 percent of total online payments in 2014. The less developed regions in the west grew much faster than the developed east.

The regions with the highest percentage of mobile payments in 2014 were autonomous regions of Tibet -- where mobile payments were almost 63 of the total -- Ningxia and Inner Mongolia, and Shaanxi Province.

Chen Jin, director of the research center of modern services with the University of International Business and Economics, said mobile payments in sparsely populated western regions with poor transportation, have grown rapidly in recent years because of the popularity of smartphones and mobile Internet.

Following Alibaba's 25 billion dollar New York IPO in September, founder and board chairman of Alibaba Jack Ma told state media that Alipay will also go public someday, hopefully on the A-share market.

To that end, Alipay has started working with hospitals, stores and supermarkets, offering doctors appointments and payment services.

In Beijing, supermarkets such as Wu-Mart and Merry Mart are offering 10 percent discounts to encourage customers to pay their bills with their mobiles through Alipay.

Chen said Alipay, usually engaged in micropayment, has had to expand their community services with the "online to offline", O2O, and provide convenience to compete with UnionPay.

"With no more card swiping and signature needed, I'd rather use Alipay for convenience," said Cao Peng, a customer who paid his bill at a Merry Mart outlet in Beijing, adding that all he needed to do was to scan the bill code to make the payment with his smartphone.
 
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Yet the China`s salary level is increasing very fast, faster than price increasing speed.
So the people`s life is still increasing..
Also China is making more jobs from high end industries than losing jobs in low end industries..
So the condition in China is still healthy in general.
For the real estate, I would say the government plan is also 'Inflating away '
The house is expensive today.
Yet if it remain stable or slowly increase with fast increased salary, it is no longer that expensive..
China is still developing very fast.Please take this into consideration.
Things looks aggressive today is not that bad after a few years..

Inflating away the debt is one of the strategy China is using, there are several other strategies China is following to manage the crisis. If we talk about this point only, then this has its own impact on China's social and economic health, for example, not all Chinese will going to have matching higher income to deal with the inflation this move will cause, how they will react? China is already becoming very expensive as an outsourcing destination, with higher wages it will become even more expensive as an outsourcing destination; leading to job cuts in an inflated economy! China is also trying to reduce real estate cost and probably has already implemented a conditional one flat policy, now most of the Chinese middle-class investment is in real estate, how they will take the devaluation of their assets? Now if you combine the effect of rising inflation, devaluation of assets and probable job cuts due to the rising cost as an outsourcing destination, you have a 2008 sub-prime crisis like situation at hand, though at a much larger scale, as this will lead to further loan defaults and bad debts in an already streched banking system. The situation is actually far more complex and grave than we can see on the surface.
 
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