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Its funny how the comments made the Chinese officials are so similar to the ones made the Chinese fellas here on the forum when debating about something. Slave, vicious western dogs, the works:lol:

Look, before I joined the forum earlier this month I told myself I would try to make positive contributions to the relationship among PDF members' countries. I noticed that CD also made that decision for the new year. So one of my rules is that I will never throw cheap punch to any country. That's why I am still feeding some apparent trolls. Just in less two weeks, I saw so many troll thread/replies from you and Harpoon attacking China/Chinese just for the sake of doing that. It is very easy to throw in negative news on India and make this place a public restroom. Again I don't want to break my rules. I do have some Indian friends and I am not going to feel good attacking your entire country.

Now, can you two just grow up and find something more meaningful and construtive to do?
 
That's why I say you will get similar answers in Beijing, Shanghai, etc. I am sure a lot of people will first say I am Beijinger, that doesn't mean that they don't consider themself Chinese citizen. Ask Beijingwalker. :P

Exactly right. :tup:

If you ask someone from Beijing who they are, they will say they are Beijinger. If you ask someone from Shanghai who they are, they will say they are Shanghainese.

If you ask me who I am, I am a Hong Konger.

All of these identities are city identities. And at the end of the day... we are all Chinese.

I am a Hong Konger, a Cantonese person, a Han Chinese, and also a citizen of the PRC. These identities are not mutually exclusive.
 
china is third world country and Hong Kong is a developed one and mainland chinese will never achive the level of development and per capita standard of Hong Kong ever in the future. :smokin:

If one just deletes the FDI, investment, export, import of Hong Knog in the chinese economy from the day Britishers handed it to chinese. :rofl: :tdown:

chinese economy will be less then half of today's GDP. :smokin:
 
china is third world country and Hong Kong is a developed one and mainland chinese will never achive the level of development and per capita standard of Hong Kong ever in the future. :smokin:

If one just deletes the FDI, investment, export, import of Hong Knog in the chinese economy from the day Britishers handed it to chinese. :rofl: :tdown:

chinese economy will be less then half of today's GDP. :smokin:

LOL, Shanghai has already surpassed us in terms of GDP, OECD education tests and infrastructure.

As someone who travels between my own city of HK and the mainland all the time, I can tell you that the mainland is catching up faster than you can even imagine.
 
china is third world country and Hong Kong is a developed one and mainland chinese will never achive the level of development and per capita standard of Hong Kong ever in the future. :smokin:

If one just deletes the FDI, investment, export, import of Hong Knog in the chinese economy from the day Britishers handed it to chinese. :rofl: :tdown:
chinese economy will be less then half of today's GDP. :smokin:

no wonder why India is so backward and primitive, because India is made up of Indians`they run their country in their vvetdreams
 
Look, before I joined the forum earlier this month I told myself I would try to make positive contributions to the relationship among PDF members' countries. I noticed that CD also made that decision for the new year. So one of my rules is that I will never throw cheap punch to any country. That's why I am still feeding some apparent trolls. Just in less two weeks, I saw so many troll thread/replies from you and Harpoon attacking China/Chinese just for the sake of doing that. It is very easy to throw in negative news on India and make this place a public restroom. Again I don't want to break my rules. I do have some Indian friends and I am not going to feel good attacking your entire country.

Now, can you two just grow up and find something more meaningful and construtive to do?

I was like you when I first joined the forum, heck I used to apologize to people on behalf of other dkheads, and in turn I was called the scum of the earth:lol: And I too have lot of Chinese friends, but this forum is a whole different world. Lets see how long you last. This forum brings out the worst in us.

As for troll threads, like Chinese fellas don't make anti India thread, I am guessing you still havent come across the likes of Hongwus and peacefuls and lamlaps and sinochallengers.:lol:

And there is nothing trollish about this particular thread so lets focus on the topic at hand.
 
china is third world country and Hong Kong is a developed one and mainland chinese will never achive the level of development and per capita standard of Hong Kong ever in the future. :smokin:

If one just deletes the FDI, investment, export, import of Hong Knog in the chinese economy from the day Britishers handed it to chinese. :rofl: :tdown:

chinese economy will be less then half of today's GDP. :smokin:

There's no question that Hongkong and Singapore are the best benchmarks for all mainland Chinese cities to catch up. Hongkong does enjoy great lead on pretty much every development index from business efficiency to less corruption etc. It also inspires all mainlander Chinese that Chinese can build first world cities if they also work hard.

And what' wrong with Hongkong's FDI and investment? I don't get what you are laughing at. :rolleyes:

BTW, it seems that you are so proud of Hongkong, for a moment I thought you are Chinese-Dragon. :rofl:
 
Whatever opinions we have, we can certainly say that Hong Kong just doesn't have that particular 'spark' it used to have back in the old days.
 
Whatever opinions we have, we can certainly say that Hong Kong just doesn't have that particular 'spark' it used to have back in the old days.

Yeah must be the "mainland locusts"(as Hongkongers put it) who have eaten away the sheen of Hong Kong
 
Wow, so many Indians trying to talk on behalf of Hong Kong. :lol:

We Hong Kongers can speak for ourselves.
 
'HK citizen' identity strongest in 10 years | HK News Watch | Latest Hong Kong, China & World News | SCMP.com

Despite increasing economic integration, locals are viewing themselves more strongly as Hongkongers rather than Chinese citizens than at any time in the past decade, a survey has found.

The poll asked 1,016 city residents to rank the strength of their feelings as "Hong Kong citizens" on a scale from zero to 10, and found an average rating of 8.23 points, a 10-year high.

Asked the same question about their identity as "Chinese citizens", the average rating was 7.01 points, a 12-year low. The poll was conducted from December 12-20.


The University of Hong Kong's public opinion programme has conducted such surveys from time to time since the 1997 handover.

Dr Robert Chung Ting-yiu, the programme's director, said: "This [trend] is contrary to the [direction of] China's economic development in recent years, so it must be due to factors beyond economic development." But he stopped short of speculating about the reasons behind the fluctuations in these figures.

The pollsters combined all the survey results into an identity index on a scale from zero to 100. City residents' strongest feelings of identity are as "Hong Kong citizens", at 79.1 points, followed by "members of the Chinese race" at 72.5 points.

Then came "Asians", at 72.1 points; "Chinese citizens", at 67.9 points; "global citizens", at 67 points; and finally "citizens of the People's Republic of China", at 61.1 points.


"The feeling of being `citizens of the PRC' was the weakest among all identities tested," Chung said.

Dr Leung Hon-chu, principal lecturer at Baptist University's sociology department, said some recent issues might have discouraged Hongkongers from identifying themselves as Chinese citizens. He cited the vote-rigging scandal following Hong Kong's recent district council elections, allegedly linked to the central government's influence in local affairs; and Beijing's crackdown on dissidents such as artist-activist Ai Weiwei .

The controversial security arrangements during Vice-Premier Li Keqiang's visit in August could also have affected Hongkongers' impressions of the mainland, he said. "The sense of identity is not determined by the economic growth [of a place]. Rather, it is related to whether they feel engaged in or contributing to the development [of society as a whole]," Leung said.

"The narrowing of the difference between Hong Kong and the mainland in the political and cultural arenas may prompt fear among locals that democracy and human rights, honoured in the city, could be weakened," he added. Political scientist Dr James Sung Lap-kung said the weakening local sense of a "Chinese citizen" identity could be tied to a wide range of factors to do with China's diplomatic relations as well as social and economic developments.

The recent Wukan protest over confiscated farmland, and demonstrations over a proposed power plant in Haimen , Guangdong, could have affected Hongkongers, Sung said. The small-circle chief executive election might also weaken people's sense of engagement, making them believe Beijing was exerting its influence over the city, he said.
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203513604577147203202381774.html

Beijing is turning up the Cultural Revolution rhetoric in Hong Kong again. In recent months, state-owned media and Chinese officials vilified a businessman for donating money to opposition politicians, labeling them American stooges. Then they threatened to expel the U.S. consul general for allegedly interfering in local politics. Even the local head of the Catholic Church was blasted as a "political mercenary."

Now the rectification campaign is focusing on two academics, Robert Chung and Dixon Sing. The main target is Hong Kong University's Mr. Chung, director of the Public Opinion Program at the University of Hong Kong and the city's leading pollster. For the last 15 years he has conducted surveys every six months on how strongly local residents identify as Hong Kong citizens, Chinese citizens, and other permutations.

In December, the Hong Kong citizens score hit a 10-year high, while the Chinese citizens score fell to a 12-year low—almost certainly as a result of vote-rigging in the District Council elections, which local media have tied to the Communist Party's underground organization in in the territory.

Beijing's newspapers in the territory, Wen Wei Po and Ta Kung Pao, promptly accused Mr. Chung of being a "political fraudster" with "evil intentions" to "incite Hong Kong people to deny they are Chinese." One columnist wrote without irony that merely asking people whether they consider themselves Chinese is subversive: "From this we can see that Robert Chung's supposed 'scholarship' is the slave of political dirty money."

The frenzy only intensified after Hao Tiechuan, spokesman for the Central Government Liaison Office, joined in the attacks two weeks ago, calling the survey "unscientific" and "illogical." One columnist suggested obliquely that Mr. Chung should lose his job: "If he lacks even basic common sense, then he is really unfit to continue working in the statistics field."

Mr. Chung rejects the charge of bias and denies meeting last November with a British official who, the Beijing-owned papers claim, is a spy. The professor released a statement that "Cultural Revolution-style curses and defamations, no matter at whom they are directed, are not conducive to the building of Chinese national identity among Hong Kong people."

Then there is Dixon Sing, an associate professor at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. The pro-Beijing media targeted the political scientist last December as an anti-China "Western-trained vicious dog," apparently because he gave interviews to Falun Gong-affiliated media. But his real sin may have been to defend opposition legislators' plan in 2010 to resign and force by-elections that were de facto referenda on democratization. At least two of the approximately 14 attack articles that appeared in the last few months asked the university to fire him.

Mr. Sing says no university administrator has contacted him so far, though as a junior professor he is more vulnerable than Mr. Chung. There is also a worrying precedent: After the pro-Beijing media attacked Ng Chi-sum, a popular radio talk-show host, the government-owned broadcaster Radio Television Hong Kong cancelled his contract effective this month.
This is great news! Pro-Beijing forces are striking back at anti-Beijing forces with cultural revolution style propaganda attacks.

Cultural revolution style propaganda attacks are admirable because there is no BS around and there is no insidious corrupt influence of money. The attacks are launched at the grassroots level by people who believe strongly in the cause -- a form of political protest, basically.

As we can see from the powerful attacks, the pro-Beijing faction in Hong Kong is very strong and very determined to fight off the anti-Beijing faction. The anti-Beijing faction is shamed so much that they are enlisting the help of their overseas allies, the Western anti-China propaganda forces like Wall Street Journal to write an article in their favor.

As long as the pro-Beijing faction holds at least 15% popular sentiment of Hong Kong, China's control is unshakable.
 
Yeah must be the "mainland locusts"(as Hongkongers put it) who have eaten away the sheen of Hong Kong
Hey Roybot, you wanna know what the same Hong Kongers who say "mainland locusts" would call your countrymen in Hong Kong with the big headresses? :lol:
 
Hey Roybot, you wanna know what the same Hong Kongers who say "mainland locusts" would call your countrymen in Hong Kong with the big headresses? :lol:

Couldn't care less. Its their country, who cares what they call anybody. Calling mainlanders locusts is something else though:lol:

 
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