China ‘Decodes’ F-22, F-35 Puzzle; Flaunts ‘World’s First Anti-Stealth Radar’ That Can Detect Stealthiest Of Aircraft

[jamahir]

Yes, applicable. How do we know these aren't being used already?

In what ways ?

 

[mudas777]

First of all, it's in the prototype stage. Second, the Stealthy planes have a lot more than just RAM on. In fact, -35 is able to use electronic warfare counter measures too. Lastly, this radar like every radar, can be jammed and destroyed also.


It's comparable to -18G as per the Chinese media and on paper. If you'd like to do an Apples to Apples comparison, then someone from China needs to publish authentic stats of their EW and jamming pods' capabilities first.

Lets wait and see if gets into production first. Only time will tell, one can't write off the concept either.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

In what ways ?

I read somewhere that f-35 uses some kind and of metamaterials

 

[jamahir]

I read somewhere that f-35 uses some kind and of metamaterials

But if it uses metamaterials wouldn't they be needed to be fabricated onto the plane's surface like through 3D Printing ?

 

[White and Green with M/S]

But if it uses metamaterials wouldn't they be needed to be fabricated onto the plane's surface like through 3D Printing ?

I think most of F35 parts (structure) is already fabricated by 3D printing

 

[jamahir]

I think most of F35 parts (structure) is already fabricated by 3D printing

Hmm. @LeGenD and others, what do you think ?

 

[Saudang]

Much more than onboard frontal AESA...

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How about electronic attack by these jets, their AESAs have a capabilities to jam enemy's radars

Theoretical current EWS will not be able jam these radars as they use photon pairs vs radio waves of conventional radars.. but electronics of these radars can be fried

BTW the radar in the OP doesn't look like the prototype pictured in @Saudang's linked article.

Picture in the OP is probably a long wave early detection radar rather than quantum radar.. quantum radars will look much like laser weapons as they emit Photon with a possible receiver looking like a large camera lens

 

[White and Green with M/S]

photon pairs

What is this means??, you means enemy radars emitting light instead of radio waves lol

 

[LeGenD]

No, I think just like J20 and upcoming J35, J16D is comparable to F/A 18 G, Growler

I am not sure about J-20A but J-20B will be interesting with its 2nd pilot dedicated to EW management as per Chinese sources. J-20B also have relatively superior sensor integration as per RUSI.

Anyways;

F-35A/B/C and F-22A - each is equipped with incredibly comprehensive and effective EW suite and its data fusion with onboard AESA radar system is maximized (electronically as well as with programming).

Just to highlight the gap in rudimentary terms:

Rafale F3-R feature 3 x RWR antenna in total
MiG-35 feature 4 x RWR antenna in total
F-35A/B/C feature 10 x RWR antenna in total
F-22A feature 30 x RWR antenna in total

The device has been described as the world’s first UFH band anti-stealth radar system and also the pioneer in special high-frequency radar technology and active phase-controlled array radar coupled with a novel anti-stealth sharp device.

UFH or UHF? Typing error.

For general knowledge sake, I wanted to point out that it is not correct to tout YLC-8E as the world's first UHF band anti-stealth radar system.

E-2D Advanced Hawkeye is equipped with AN/APY-9 UHF band anti-stealth radar system. This AEW&C system achieved IOC in 2014 and FRP in 2017.

US Navy deploys anti-stealth reconnaissance aircraft to Japan

Move is seen aimed at countering advanced Chinese and Russian fighter jets

asia.nikkei.com

AN/APY-9 Radar

The AN/APY-9 radar is an integral part of the Advanced Hawkeye program for the United States Navy’s Littoral Surveillance and Theatre Air and Missile Defense (TAMD) missions.

www.lockheedmartin.com

Lockheed Martin to provide radar signal processing retrofit subsystems for Navy's carrier E-2D aircraft

The AN/APY-9 radar on the E-2D aircraft features signal processing subsystems to enable flexible radar beam management and enhanced target processing.

www.militaryaerospace.com

Details in following post: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/russ...fairly-realistic-numbers.589471/post-10997370

 

[Saudang]

What is this means??, you means enemy radars emitting light instead of radio waves lol

theoretically quantum radars will emit entangled photon pairs, which complement each other and will be different from atmospheric photons.. hoping that the stealth aircraft will reflect back some of it, which will help in its detection. the advantage is that, it does not depend on amount of reflection from the aircraft but just a pair or two will be enough to identify the stealth aircraft .. all these are theories..

the challenges are follows - the photon emission are narrow beam emission, hence will not work as a conventional rotating radar antenna .. second receiver panels are not sensitive enough as off now to put in for military usage..

Most importantly, you need to know the direction of the object to direct the beams and detect. hence so far it works only in lab environment where you know where to point the torch

 

[Apollon]

China ‘Decodes’ F-22, F-35 Puzzle; Flaunts ‘World’s First Anti-Stealth Radar’ That Can Detect Stealthiest Of Aircraft

ByAritra Banerjee
October 6, 2021
China has recently showcased what was touted to be a revolutionary radar at the Zhuhai airshow. The YLC-8E is a significant addition to the People’s Liberation Army’s anti-stealth capabilities, a development seen as a major challenge for the US’ highly advanced F-35 and F-22 fighter jets.


The EurAsian Times had previously reported that the China Electronics Technology Group Corporation (CETC) unveiled a prototype claiming that it could identify stealth aircraft in-flight.

Going by open-source intelligence, such a technology would likely work by generating an electromagnetic (EMW) storm which would serve to acquire the location of incoming stealth aircraft.

Researchers at China’s Tsinghua University had said they intend to develop a full-sized prototype. Chinese scientists explained that high-energy quantum particles would be able to acquire targets not typically visible to radars.

However, physicist Jeffrey Shapiro, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and a pioneer of the quantum radar idea, opined that the process is fraught with far too many technical issues for it to be of any use.

An image was posted on social media of what was speculated to be China’s YLC-8E anti-stealth radar. (via Twitter)

Nevertheless, the Chinese research team has asserted in its paper that the EMW storm led to 95 percent stealth detection. Another interesting find was that the sensitivity of the radar did not suffer despite the increase in target distance.

The quality of stealth materials also did not seem to make a difference. It was further claimed that this detection would be possible from long-distance even in arduous climatic conditions.

This development gave a clear indication of China’s intent to circumvent American stealth technology.

How YLC-8E Was Developed
The YLC-8E is the brainchild of the Chinese state-owned CETC and has been touted to be the “flagship of Chinese stealth radar”.

The device has been described as the world’s first UFH band anti-stealth radar system and also the pioneer in special high-frequency radar technology and active phase-controlled array radar coupled with a novel anti-stealth sharp device.

China’s YLC-8B anti-stealth radar.

China’s state-owned Global Times had earlier explained that the antenna of the YLC-8E is gigantic. With its high power and cutting-edge information process technology, it can detect even the most advanced stealth aircraft. It can also detect other types of targets at long range and high definition with its key parameters superior, making it superior to foreign competitors.

The YLC-8E has the basic features seen in any 4th-generation intelligence radar. It can be leveraged to provide critical combat command systems with actionable intelligence, integrate the intelligence collected, and even intercept aerial threats and hostile weapon systems. This stealth reportedly possesses independent guidance capabilities as well.

The YLC-8E is mandated with a myriad of crucial battlefield functions, including providing anti-aircraft alerts emanating from varying altitudes.

It is also responsible for aircraft guidance tasks and target search and acquisition. To surmise, the YLC-8E has been described as the “backbone of the radar network.”

Should US Be Worried?
The Chinese YLC-8E system has been marketed as a super radar capable of detecting American aircraft F-22 and F-35.

According to Song Zhongping, a Hong Kong-based military commentator and a former PLA instructor, Beijing is making technological strides in quantum-based radars and laser-based radar systems besides metric wave radars which collectively improve the military’s capabilities.

This is part of an ongoing effort to integrate the entire nation’s early warning network. China’s quest to have more advanced anti-stealth radars came as countries around the world are researching and buying stealth fighters or drones to boost their defenses. And China is attempting to ensure its airspace remains secure.

Hu Mingchun one of the directors at the Research Institute at China Electronics Technology Group told theGlobal Times – The antenna of the YLC-8E is enormous. With its high power and state-of-art information process technology, the YLC-8E can discover even the stealthiest of aircraft. It can also detect other targets at long range and high definition making it much superior to other radars.

Earlier radars often had assigned purposes, but this highly versatile radar can not only detect stealth fighter jets and other aircraft but can also be employed for early warning and artillery reconnaissance. This means that this radar can single-handedly serve the purpose of multiple radars operating concurrently, Hu added.

China ‘Decodes' F-22, F-35 Puzzle; Flaunts 'World’s First Anti-Stealth Radar' That Can Detect Stealthiest Of Aircraft

China has recently showcased what was touted to be a revolutionary radar at the Zhuhai airshow. The YLC-8E is a significant addition to the People’s Liberation Army’s anti-stealth capabilities, a development seen as a major challenge for the US’ highly advanced F-35 and F-22 fighter jets...

eurasiantimes.com

The article is wrong, germany build a radar system 3 years ago thatcan detect stealth aircraft, even testet it on f-35.

 

[MH.Yang]

The article is wrong, germany build a radar system 3 years ago thatcan detect stealth aircraft, even testet it on f-35.

In the field of quantum communication and encryption technology, China is about 10 years ahead of the USA (In the field of quantum precision measurement, China and the USA have the same technical level), and the USA is about 5 years ahead of Europe. Germany won't have its first quantum computer until October 2020.
I suggest that Europe launch quantum communication satellites first, and then talk about quantum radar.

 

[Apollon]

In the field of quantum communication and encryption technology, China is about 10 years ahead of the USA (In the field of quantum precision measurement, China and the USA have the same technical level), and the USA is about 5 years ahead of Europe. Germany won't have its first quantum computer until October 2020.
I suggest that Europe launch quantum communication satellites first, and then talk about quantum radar.

Germany busted stealth with passive radar.

You dont need quantum radar to detect solid matter in the atmosphere. The german system does not send any signal, it just meassures the radiowaves within the sky and notices any disturbance. It was able to track the F-35 and follow it.

That system is much smaller, more mobile and since it does not send out any signals, is not detectable.

Sounds superior to me.

 

[KAL-EL]

Quantum field Theory

 

[MH.Yang]

Germany busted stealth with passive radar.

You dont need quantum radar to detect solid matter in the atmosphere. The german system does not send any signal, it just meassures the radiowaves within the sky and notices any disturbance. It was able to track the F-35 and follow it.

That system is much smaller, more mobile and since it does not send out any signals, is not detectable.

Sounds superior to me.

This passive anti stealth radar you're talking about, China has long had similar products. China has even approved the export of this radar in 2016, DWL001 radar.