China continues to produce more steel than the rest of the world, COMBINED

[Edison Chen]

While at the same time, China is dropping steel production, China shut down small steel factories, to create world class steel company.

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

Well, Modi and Mao both begins with a M.

 

[DoTell]

Well, Modi and Mao both begins with a M.

So do Mass and Murder

While Mao was a certified mass murder, Modi is now given the power to save or destroy the lives of millions. Here is to hope Modi does the right things.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

increase of steel production and even cement would cause a lot of pollution. not saying India can't do it, but is it worth it.

Never worth it - unless it is your own country!

 

[Hasbara Buster]

Why is everyone obsessed with overtaking others? What about saving the planet, promoting peace and mutually beneficial cooperation and development for all of humanity instead?

 

[kadamba-warrior]

My Indian friend, it's time for leader needs to talk less and do more. This is a problem with Indian leader, big mouth and talk a lot but rarely do they put into action. LOL

There it is!!

I was wondering why no Chinese has preached about "Talk less, do more" in this thread so far!

Modi didn't say India will surpass China in steel production, he was trying to motivate workers of a Steel Plant to aim to surpass China! If anything, he was complementing China by equating it with higher target!

But what you guys have so far been doing in this thread is behaving as if you have "achieved it all"! And then, you guys also have the gall to talk about "talk less and do more"! Rich, very rich!

 

[seven7seven]

There it is!!

I was wondering why no Chinese has preached about "Talk less, do more" in this thread so far!

Modi didn't say India will surpass China in steel production, he was trying to motivate workers of a Steel Plant to aim to surpass China! If anything, he was complementing China by equating it with higher target!

But what you guys have so far been doing in this thread is behaving as if you have "achieved it all"! And then, you guys also have the gall to talk about "talk less and do more"! Rich, very rich!

India is far more underdeveloped than China. You need to get production of key building materials like steel, cement, aluminium, etc., to roughly Chinese levels, to start building up the infrastructure of your country. It's easier said than done. Indians tend to think that it can easily be done because if the Chinese can, so can we. However, the huge difference is Chinese work ethic and their determination to complete seemingly impossible tasks has always been in the blood of Chinese. Just look at engineering feats like The Great Wall, Terracotta Army and 3 Gorges Dam, for example, to see Chinese do things that no other country would even contemplate. China's urbanisation in the last few decades is something that will not be matched again in history.

If India thinks it can match China in anything, then Indians must find that do it all costs attitude that Chinese have as well as having the political determination of your leaders and precision and clarity in planning how to go about achieving big projects. So yes, until then talk less and do more!

 

[Taygibay]

Dear mr Modi, just force the use of cutlery and equip each indian with a government issued
kit of steel fork, spoon and knife.
As Chinese use non metallic chopsticks, that alone should do it?


OK, I'm out already, Tay. ------> [ ]

 

[Echo_419]

Absolutely yes!

• Since WWII, naturally US being the only country left in one piece, at-the-time they dominated 75% of world economy. Then you see rise of Western Europe (though much thanks to US' Marshall Plan which is pivotal to their economic miracles) and East Asia, all are democracies (arguable though SK, Taiwan, Singapore all experienced period of authoritarian style governance), the common pattern is still highly literate and educated work force.
• While other political systems like the Socialist camp are not performing despite high educated population.

These samples show a democratic system could not just be successful but in fact an advantage over other political systems. India's challenge is not political system, it already has the right one, the reason behind its extremely underdeveloped economy is population quality, which should be government's top task. Like-wise all other underdeveloped economies in the Global South, be it India, or Sub-Saharan Africa, South/Latin America, education and healthcare should be top priorities.

The biggest thing which prevented us from developing was the use of Soviet Style model of Development \
We started to change that in 1991 & we are seeing it's fruits now

As part of the supply chain, steel production is a refection of its pivotal contribution to the three pillars of economy - infrastructure, manufacturing & consumption - all which the outside world has no idea of how gigantic it is in China measured in physical terms.

• Infrastructure: Examples are expressways, rails, metros, airports, sea ports, urbanization, landscaping, dams, grids, power plants etc. To support these China produced 58.6% of world's concrete i.e. more than rest of the world combined.
• Manufacturing: China not just lead the world in manufacturing value added, in physical terms there is a long list of items where China lead by huge margin (e.g. China produced 45% of world's ships/vessels), and many items even more than rest of the world combined.
• Consumption: China leads the world in a long list of durable consumer goods.

China is already gigantic in absolute volumes, while India isn't even close. Though down to per capita basis China has to continue its current path development to match countries like Korea and Japan.

Similar logic applies to India, ultimately things get produced, exported or consumed by individual people, not by a few politicians. The challenges ahead of India includes its extremely low per capita economy (even lower than Sub-Saharan Africa), health (malnourishment rate, poverty) and literacy (ranked #72~74 out of 74 in PISA tests; IQ level at 81, ranked 60 out of 81 countries). There are a lot of rooms for improvement, politicians need to take solid steps to boost the quality of the people, since human resources is the number one factor in productivity (except resources rich countries). Only with people, the three pillars of economy can be built, and ultimately achieve wealthiness.

I agree with you that Education & Health Care are highly important but you cannot leave Infrastructure we need steel,Coal,Cement etc to build infra which will also be used to build Education Health Infra

 

[Luca1]

Dear mr Modi, just force the use of cutlery and equip each indian with a government issued
kit of steel fork, spoon and knife.
As Chinese use non metallic chopsticks, that alone should do it?


OK, I'm out already, Tay. ------> [ ]

Indians still use right hand for food. It would be a great change of eating habit. Make Indians like Europeans.

 

[DJ Crudept]

Ok
World crude steel production (million tonnes), 2013

1. China 820
2. Hebei province, China 220
3. Tangshan City, hebei province, China 118
4. Japan 110
5. USA 88
6. India 83

Dang !

 

[soundwave1987]

Mr Modi certainly meant not only steel production but also the vast infrastructure need behind. Clearly he wants to implement all-aspects reform（political，financial，social，cultural）to liberate labour force and enhance economic dynamics. If US and China can do it， I dont see why India cant do it if they find a proper way. Reform takes time，so pls be patient，do not drag him down with party-politics，do not accuse him for populist crap or short-term side effect. The reform can not be done by one man and Mr Modi，like comrade Deng Xiaoping， may not witness it accomplished.，but at least he's trying to do something. Political issues aside，India's economic success will surely benefit adjacent area including Pakistan，China，Bangladesh，Sri lanka and ect. China's economic boom has already and will continue to benefit korea，japan，Australia，Africa， Europe and even Latin America，and no matter how the US accuse us for stealing their jobs and techs，the chinese products and loans actually supported the higher living standard in the US. So I think the economic success benefit everyone， at least mostly. Take the steel industry for example，we have excess capacity issues in China，and it's really an ache for our industrial upgrading and caused heavy pollution and waste problem. If Mr Modi managed to increase India's steel production and export to China，and the capital and labour resource in our steel industry can gradually flow into other departments，say high-tech industries，and then both of our economies will be healthier，it's really a win-win situation.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

India is far more underdeveloped than China. You need to get production of key building materials like steel, cement, aluminium, etc., to roughly Chinese levels, to start building up the infrastructure of your country. It's easier said than done. Indians tend to think that it can easily be done because if the Chinese can, so can we. However, the huge difference is Chinese work ethic and their determination to complete seemingly impossible tasks has always been in the blood of Chinese. Just look at engineering feats like The Great Wall, Terracotta Army and 3 Gorges Dam, for example, to see Chinese do things that no other country would even contemplate.

Who ever denied that India is far less underdeveloped than China? And who ever said that it is very easy for India to do it all without breaking a sweat? Stop making false assumptions that are convenient for you! There is quite clearly no illusion about the enormity of the task ahead of India if it ever wanted to achieve its own targets but we are moving in the right direction so far!

But the fact that you guys talk as if there is nothing else to be achieved yet. You would earn your right to this sort of arrogance if you could tell me that you, as country, have nothing else left to achieve. Not until then!

Just look at engineering feats like The Great Wall, Terracotta Army and 3 Gorges Dam, for example, to see Chinese do things that no other country would even contemplate.
China's urbanisation in the last few decades is something that will not be matched again in history.

If India thinks it can match China in anything, then Indians must find that do it all costs attitude that Chinese have as well as having the political determination of your leaders and precision and clarity in planning how to go about achieving big projects. So yes, until then talk less and do more!

Hold on there, mate! Are you quoting your ancient achievements to suggest that nobody else can do stuff that you can? Are you serious? Get off your high horse! India almost matched your economic, spiritual, architectural, intellectual feats in the ancient/medieval times! But much more importantly, you tend to forget that you were in the same boat as India up until the 90's.

Once again, I think what China has achieved in the last few decades is nothing short of spectacular and it will take an extremely determined nation to match it in such a short time (and even then it might fall short). But you haven't earned your right yet to look down upon on other countries till the point that YOU HAVE DONE IT ALL!

Till then learn some humility and learn to follow what you so often preach others - "talk less, do more"!

 

[mike2000]

Seems like Mr. Modi wants to start another great leap forward. Good luck with that. You guys are really obssessed with your northern neighbour.

 

[soundwave1987]

Who ever denied that India is far less underdeveloped than China? And who ever said that it is very easy for India to do it all without breaking a sweat? Stop making false assumptions that are convenient for you! There is quite clearly no illusion about the enormity of the task ahead of India if it ever wanted to achieve its own targets but we are moving in the right direction so far!

But the fact that you guys talk as if there is nothing else to be achieved yet. You would earn your right to this sort of arrogance if you could tell me that you, as country, have nothing else left to achieve. Not until then!



Hold on there, mate! Are you quoting your ancient achievements to suggest that nobody else can do stuff that you can? Are you serious? Get off your high horse! India almost matched your economic, spiritual, architectural, intellectual feats in the ancient/medieval times! But much more importantly, you tend to forget that you were in the same boat as India up until the 90's.

Once again, I think what China has achieved in the last few decades is nothing short of spectacular and it will take an extremely determined nation to match it in such a short time (and even then it might fall short). But you haven't earned your right yet to look down upon on other countries till the point that YOU HAVE DONE IT ALL!

Till then learn some humility and learn to follow what you so often preach others - "talk less, do more"!

Some of my compatriots may grew over-confidential for what we have achieved in past 65 years （especially in recent 35 years）and I hope sincerely for your understanding. After all we turn a backward whole with desperate poverty into a nuclear armed economic power with advancing modern technology and it is quite an unprecedented miracle to us. The road is tough but the speculate achievement can easily make people faint in proud.
Although I've never been in India，I learn very much about her in many ways，for both advantages and weaknesses. I dont think catching up or even surpassing China in steel production is impossible，for China has done half of the infrastructure constructions yet India is just about to accelerate. Of course some reform measures must be taken to satisfy the hunger of market and it wont be easy. Even though India matches not with China and so what？You still makes great progress than before，and that matters the most.
I always remembered that when I was a child，the western world view China as nothing，let alone they could believe we would achieve so much in such a short time，and now they know how things gonna to change. So I think India too shall not be underestimated. If you guys achieve something incredible in not a long time，I think I wont be surprised.