China Civil Aviation, AVIC (MA600) & COMAC (ARJ21/C919/C929)

[patero]

@samsara, I did read that Pratt and Whitney are having supply issues with the fan blades for the PW1000g, maybe that is why COMAC are using LEAF due to limited availlability. I agree that more competition for the two big aircraft manufacturers is better in the long run for the aviation industry.

@jhungary, thanks for the reading, it confirms something I read last year on Bloomberg (I think) but couldn't find the article. Great link too, reading through that site is going to keep me busy.

 

[samsara]

COMAC flies the prototype "Lingque B" with integrated fuselage

By Henri Kenhmann - East Pendulum - 23 April 2017

A few days before the inaugural flight of the first Chinese commercial airliner C919, the aircraft manufacturer COMAC flew a prototype with integrated fuselage - the "Lingque B" (灵雀 B, literally means 'the spirit of small bird') - on a reduced scale.

The small demonstrator of 240 kilograms took off at 3:06 pm Beijing from the Jingmen Zhanghe General Aviation Airport in Hubei Province. The craft completed its entire flight in autonomous mode, without any intervention from the ground.

This first flight means that COMAC officially starts the flight test phase for its future aircraft research.

It should be noted that the "Lingque B" is the largest scale demonstrator in China in the civilian field, with a wingspan exceeding six meters. Its BWB (Blended Wing Body) configuration, in theory, offers better aerodynamic performance compared to the traditional TAW (Tube and Wings) configuration, thanks to the total integration of the central body with the wing, which considerably reduces the drag, and consequently the fuel consumption and the landing and take-off distances of the aircraft as well.

This COMAC integrated fuselage prototype is made largely of composite, part of its cell and the landing gear produced through 3D printing.

Its designers, a team of young engineers from the "Dream Studio" (梦幻工作室) of the COMAC Civil Aviation Research Center in Beijing, are hoping to examine the low-speed aerodynamic properties, maneuverability and stability of the configuration at Fuselage, to study the associated flight control.

The "Lingque B" will now proceed to three types of flight tests to successively validate the platform, the performances and the payloads. The China Flight Test Establishment (CFTE), Beihang University and five other Chinese entities also participated in this development program thanks to an Open Lab collaboration model.

To be continued.

Henri K.

 

[yusheng]

the first time, the second time, the Nth time,

 

[nang2]

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the first time, the second time, the Nth time,
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the cartoon is so adorable.

 

[yusheng]

the second C919 under construction

 

[lcloo]

China’s New Jet Will Seek Share of World’s Largest Aircraft Market
Bloomberg News
‎26‎ ‎April‎, ‎2017‎ ‎6‎:‎00‎ ‎AM

• Comac said to prepare for maiden flight of C919 before end-May
• China’s single-aisle market to account for 75% of demand

China is set to become the world’s largest market for aircraft and the nation’s first domestically developed large jet will aim to grab a share of that business.

The country will need 6,810 aircraft valued at more than $1 trillion in the two decades through 2035, Boeing Co. predicted in September. That would make China the biggest single-country market for planes, and the third-largest as a region, behind Europe and North America.

State-backed Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China Ltd. is poised to conduct the first flight of the locally built C919 before the end of May, according to two people familiar with the matter, who asked not to be identified because the information isn’t public. The test flight is delayed by more than a year.

The nation will surpass the U.S. as the world’s largest air-travel market even sooner, around 2024, according to the International Air Transport Association. The number of people flying to, from and within China will jump to 1.3 billion by 2035, compared with 1.1 billion for the U.S., IATA said.

Of China’s total plane demand in the 20-year period, 75 percent will be single-aisle -- a category dominated by Boeing’s 737 and Airbus SE’s A320 family that the C919 will be looking to break.

China Eastern Airlines Corp. will be the first carrier to take delivery of the C919. Comac received 570 orders as of November for the plane, which will need to be certified by U.S. and European authorities before it can fly there.

— With assistance by Dong Lyu

 

[ao333]

China’s New Jet Will Seek Share of World’s Largest Aircraft Market
Bloomberg News
‎26‎ ‎April‎, ‎2017‎ ‎6‎:‎00‎ ‎AM

• Comac said to prepare for maiden flight of C919 before end-May
• China’s single-aisle market to account for 75% of demand

China is set to become the world’s largest market for aircraft and the nation’s first domestically developed large jet will aim to grab a share of that business.

The country will need 6,810 aircraft valued at more than $1 trillion in the two decades through 2035, Boeing Co. predicted in September. That would make China the biggest single-country market for planes, and the third-largest as a region, behind Europe and North America.

State-backed Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China Ltd. is poised to conduct the first flight of the locally built C919 before the end of May, according to two people familiar with the matter, who asked not to be identified because the information isn’t public. The test flight is delayed by more than a year.

The nation will surpass the U.S. as the world’s largest air-travel market even sooner, around 2024, according to the International Air Transport Association. The number of people flying to, from and within China will jump to 1.3 billion by 2035, compared with 1.1 billion for the U.S., IATA said.

Of China’s total plane demand in the 20-year period, 75 percent will be single-aisle -- a category dominated by Boeing’s 737 and Airbus SE’s A320 family that the C919 will be looking to break.

China Eastern Airlines Corp. will be the first carrier to take delivery of the C919. Comac received 570 orders as of November for the plane, which will need to be certified by U.S. and European authorities before it can fly there.

— With assistance by Dong Lyu

Hope you guys good luck. This would be quite the achievement. Bombardier's aviation division will probably die in 10 years if you guys manage to get this thing certified in NA and EU.

 

[JSCh]

C919 to get airworthiness certification from Europe
By Yang Jian | 00:01 UTC+8 April 28, 2017

CHINA’S homegrown passenger jet C919 is likely to receive airworthiness certification from the European aviation safety regulator, a key step for the narrow-body aircraft to enter the Western market, officials said yesterday.

Patrick Ky, executive director of the European Aviation Safety Agency, said at an inaugural session of an aviation safety conference in Shanghai yesterday that certifying the C919 was part of ongoing talks for a bilateral air safety agreement between the two regions.

The Civil Aviation Administration of China is conducting airworthiness tests on the C919, said Li Jian, deputy director of CAAC.

The airworthiness tests measure the aircraft’s suitability for safe flight, and the airworthiness certificate is issued by the national aviation regulator.

Once the EASA certifies the C919’s airworthiness, the single-aisle aircraft can be sold to European countries. China and the United States are also negotiating a bilateral airworthiness agreement, the CAAC has said.

The aircraft has completed 118 tests, including 21 taxiing tests, and is ready for its maiden flight, He Dongfeng, general manager of the Commercial Aircraft Corp of China, told the conference.

Shanghai Airport Authority said the plane’s maiden flight is scheduled for early May.

The C919, with 168 seats and a range of 5,000 kilometers, will compete with the updated Airbus A320 and Boeing’s new-generation 737.

 

[samsara]

C919 to get airworthiness certification from Europe
By Yang Jian | 00:01 UTC+8 April 28, 2017

CHINA’S homegrown passenger jet C919 is likely to receive airworthiness certification from the European aviation safety regulator, a key step for the narrow-body aircraft to enter the Western market, officials said yesterday.

Patrick Ky, executive director of the European Aviation Safety Agency, said at an inaugural session of an aviation safety conference in Shanghai yesterday that certifying the C919 was part of ongoing talks for a bilateral air safety agreement between the two regions.

The Civil Aviation Administration of China is conducting airworthiness tests on the C919, said Li Jian, deputy director of CAAC.

The airworthiness tests measure the aircraft’s suitability for safe flight, and the airworthiness certificate is issued by the national aviation regulator.

Once the EASA certifies the C919’s airworthiness, the single-aisle aircraft can be sold to European countries. China and the United States are also negotiating a bilateral airworthiness agreement, the CAAC has said.

The aircraft has completed 118 tests, including 21 taxiing tests, and is ready for its maiden flight, He Dongfeng, general manager of the Commercial Aircraft Corp of China, told the conference.

Shanghai Airport Authority said the plane’s maiden flight is scheduled for early May.

The C919, with 168 seats and a range of 5,000 kilometers, will compete with the updated Airbus A320 and Boeing’s new-generation 737.

In addition to all the safety & technical aspects, part of the parcels: the business transactions and political dealing play vital roles in such certification of this kind of magnitude, talking about the bargaining chips put on table by all the concerning major players.

 

[yusheng]

 

[帅的一匹]

Long way to go

 

[NirmalKrish]

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Nice looking bird Congratulation's China!

Is it cleared for operational status on CAT II, CAT IIIa, B landings? The only thing that is baffling me is why they have not taken the time to incorporate carbon composites in the design instead decided to go all out on an aluminium Alloy frame.

 

[yusheng]

Nice looking bird Congratulation's China!

Is it cleared for operational status on CAT II, CAT IIIa, B landings? The only thing that is baffling me is why they have not taken the time to incorporate carbon composites in the design instead decided to go all out on an aluminium Alloy frame.

C是China的首字母，也是商飞英文缩写COMAC的首字母，第一个“9”的寓意是天长地久，“19”代表的是中国首型中型客机最大载客量为190座。C919中型客机是建设创新型国家的标志性工程，具有完全自主知识产权。针对先进的气动布局、结构材料和机载系统，研制人员共规划了102项关键技术攻关，包括飞机发动机一体化设计、电传飞控系统控制律设计、主动控制技术等。先进材料首次在国产民机大规模应用，第三代铝锂合金材料、先进复合材料在C919机体结构用量分别达到8.8%和12%。

baidu
the advanced aerodynamic layout, structural materials and airborne systems, total of 102 key technologies were developed , including aircraft engine integration design, FBW control of active control law design, etc..

Advanced materials in this domestic civil aircraft is applied in large-scale, third generation aluminum lithium alloy materials, advanced composite materials in dosage of C919 body structure were respectively 8.8% and 12%.

by the way , if you understand some Chinese philosophy such as "中庸 not Excess and not deficiency“, you will not be "baffling", ”小步快走 rapid advance with every small but solid progress“ is better than “”好高骛远 to boil the ocean”
then, you will not be baffling why India AV is always under construction.

 

[ao333]

Nice looking bird Congratulation's China!

Is it cleared for operational status on CAT II, CAT IIIa, B landings? The only thing that is baffling me is why they have not taken the time to incorporate carbon composites in the design instead decided to go all out on an aluminium Alloy frame.

I think it was mentioned somewhere that carbon plastic hulls were too complicated to design. Aluminium was easier.

50-80% of income for US defence sector comes from Airplane sales (Commercial plane sales) which passes thru companies like Boeing/Lockhead Martin etc and others that make the Engines for such planes.

Russian/Chinese breaking of that Monopoly has long lasting effects

A single Unit of Airlineer can bring 200 Million to 1 Billion in Proceed and is a GOLDEN COW for companies like Boeing and Lockhead martin etc

More planes are sold (Commercial planes) = More war weapons are created for US

The plane excessive sale price tag is the #1 reason why US is able to fund rediculously expensive projects like F-35

Whenever there is a global threat against the HONEY COW , epionage units do get busy to discredit the emerging plane technology

Would be interesting to see how Boeing reacts to this emerging threat on Global market

The strange aspect of the Stats is that countries like France / Germany don't even show up on global stage that is how dominant Boeing's Monopoly is on the overall market

You have to understand that the C919 is an assembly project. It will use foreign engines and avionics, which is the only way this plane will get certified. This will also make the C919 not cost competitive vis-a-vis A320/B 737 on the global market. This is why there aren't any firm bids for this plane outside of China.

Nevertheless, subsidizing this beast is necessary for AVIC's long-term success. I am actually quite confident that you guys will eventually destroy UAC and Embraer though. Keep it up!

 

[UKBengali]

Long way to go

Yes, we still need a fully indigenous Chinese airliner that has it's own engines and avionics.
But this is the start of that journey.