China Civil Aviation, AVIC (MA600) & COMAC (ARJ21/C919/C929)

[Nilgiri]

Best of luck China! I am sure lots of videos will be posted by members.

If anyone could put a word in to Comac to pick PW for the engines next time to help us out...that's be great

 

[yantong1980]

Initially, it will use CFM LEAP engines, which are used by A320neos and 737max aircraft. I presume China will eventually develop its own engine to power the aircraft.

I'm surprised it took China this long to enter the commercial aircraft market, but entered they have. Let's see how they will do in this competitive environment.

Their main target market is domestic. Internationally the competition will be not so easy with Airbus and Boeing in fray.
But a domestic passenger plane and huge requirement potentially saves billions.

Agree, Airbus and Boeing are two rival giant, plus they're both are Western's 'jewel crown' in aviation industry. In other side there's strong prejudice against China made technologies. But it depend on China, if COMAC performance good in domestic, or foreign user, everything will change in future. But again, time will tell.

 

[Deino]

Another test this morning ...

 

[lcloo]

COMAC is smart enough to follow international norms that C919 will be manufactured with Chinese components and western parts, just as Airbus and Boeing jets are made withs parts sourced from domestic and foreign suppliers.

However, C919 will have to be time tested in Chinese domestic market before it can be accepted widely by foreign buyers. The current and future domestic market is huge and is ranking top for market growth, therefore there shall be little problem in break even financially for COMAC.

Resistance to new manufacturer and new product is normal, I don't think COMAC is expecting large foreign orders initially. Time is on COMAC's side, just like ZPMC, Chinese high speed trains, Huawei, OPPO, Lenovo and others that have gone through the long road.

 

[Deino]

https://twitter.com/x/status/836901851987488768

 

[ahojunk]

China's ARJ21 passes flight test over Qinghai-Tibet Plateau
2017-03-06 15:08 | People's Daily Online | Editor: Li Yan

ARJ21 regional jet (Photo/China News Service)

The ARJ21-700, China's first independently developed regional jet, has successfully completed a high-altitude test flight, after completing 16 missions in seven days. The aircraft completed the test near Xining Airport, which is 2,184 meters above sea level. This milestone proves the plane capable of flying in a plateau environment, according to Wang Xiaotong, an official with the Qinghai branch of the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) Northwest Regional Administration.

The ARJ21 regional jet can seat up to 90 passengers, and boasts a flying range of between 2,225 and 3,700 kilometers. The aircraft will be used mainly for commercial flights from central cities to surrounding small and medium-sized cities.

According to Wang, there are only two ARJ21-700 aircraft currently in operation, both flying between Shanghai and Chengdu. However, the aircraft is designed to meet operation requirements at plateau airports in complicated environments. Most airports in Shaanxi, Gansu, Ningxia and Qinghai are built at altitudes of more than 1,500 kilometers above sea level.

The performance of an aircraft's engine is significantly reduced at high altitudes, and its driving force decreases sharply, necessitating stringent safety standards. The successful flight test over the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau fully verified the high-altitude capability of of the ARJ21 after an operation system upgrade. The aircraft will be put into service at all airports in Qinghai province, said Wang.

 

[Deino]

 

[Deino]

https://twitter.com/x/status/840110419318460416

 

[samsara]

COMAC is smart enough to follow international norms that C919 will be manufactured with Chinese components and western parts, just as Airbus and Boeing jets are made withs parts sourced from domestic and foreign suppliers.

However, C919 will have to be time tested in Chinese domestic market before it can be accepted widely by foreign buyers. The current and future domestic market is huge and is ranking top for market growth, therefore there shall be little problem in break even financially for COMAC.

Resistance to new manufacturer and new product is normal, I don't think COMAC is expecting large foreign orders initially. Time is on COMAC's side, just like ZPMC, Chinese high speed trains, Huawei, OPPO, Lenovo and others that have gone through the long road.

Well said! The most important factor is COMAC must be able to show that the "SAFETY LEVEL" of C919 is nothing less than the Boeing and Airbus aircraft in operations. China's own domestic market for aircraft of this capacity is HUGE, can afford to rely on own market for many years to come, and achieving break-even level should not be a problem at all. Safety and reliability will be displayed and achieved during "some reasonable operations" (not necessarily wait for decade long; but several years of mass and intensive operations will be quite significant), as well as the technological excellence from the continuous improvements. Commercial opportunities will come later on.

Just be patient. One big step at a time. It has been shown over and over again countless times, a nation's resilience, persistence and patience will bear the fruit, sooner or later!

 

[waja2000]

COMAC is smart enough to follow international norms that C919 will be manufactured with Chinese components and western parts, just as Airbus and Boeing jets are made withs parts sourced from domestic and foreign suppliers.

However, C919 will have to be time tested in Chinese domestic market before it can be accepted widely by foreign buyers. The current and future domestic market is huge and is ranking top for market growth, therefore there shall be little problem in break even financially for COMAC.

Resistance to new manufacturer and new product is normal, I don't think COMAC is expecting large foreign orders initially. Time is on COMAC's side, just like ZPMC, Chinese high speed trains, Huawei, OPPO, Lenovo and others that have gone through the long road.

Anyway COMAC need get EASA and FAA certification for C919 before can sell to majority of oversea country. this is hard part many will issue influence too, include politic， how long will take. Airbus/Boeing usually take 1-1.5 year after first flight. if C919 can get certification in 2 year will be very good already.

 

[帅的一匹]

Anyway COMAC need get EASA and FAA certification for C919 before can sell to majority of oversea country. this is hard part many will issue influence too, include politic， how long will take. Airbus/Boeing usually take 1-1.5 year after first flight. if C919 can get certification in 2 year will be very good already.

The domestic market alone can feed the C919 project , not to mention the overseas market.

 

[waja2000]

The domestic market alone can feed the C919 project , not to mention the overseas market.

Comac also target C919 for Export market.

 

[samsara]

Comac also target C919 for Export market.

But just to fulfill the on-hand C919 domestic orders will take COMAC many years... this also provides COMAC lot of time to get the relevant int'l certificates... though its build-up capacity to fulfill any export orders will have to wait many more years. Like some already said in this thread and the other thread about the ARJ21, COMAC will be having quite busy years for many years to come!

 

[Deino]

According to Safran, the first flight of the C919 could take place in April.

Via:

https://twitter.com/x/status/842672130386886656

http://www.journal-aviation.com/actualites/35718-le-1er-vol-du-c919-pourrait-avoir-lieu-en-avril

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Comac also target C919 for Export market.

Comac already has a confirmed order from 1 of the Thai airlines