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To Shut Off Tiananmen Talk, China Disrupts Sites

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/world/asia/03china.html?ref=technology


Beijing moves into Tiananmen Square massacre lockdown

Communist Party has mobilised every arm of its massive state apparatus to ensure the 20th anniversary of the bloody crackdown on its citizens in Tiananmen Square passes unnoticed.

Authorities censored a host of online services yesterday, launched armed patrols around the centre of Beijing and placed prominent dissidents under arrest.

Thousands of chat rooms and major offshore internet sites such as Hotmail, Twitter and Flickr have been blocked, joining an existing three-month ban on Google's video site, YouTube, which was punished for showing Chinese soldiers beating Tibetan monks.

Foreign journalists have been blocked from interviewing people around the square and had members of their local staff questioned this week, despite promises of freer access for reporters by the Government following last year's Olympic Games. ... [contd]

Beijing moves into Tiananmen Square massacre lockdown | The Australian
 
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Written by Xiaoping Li
Friday, 18 April 2008
Who’s right in the media contest between the west and China?

As I read and watched the media coverage of Tibetan “protesters” unleashing their “pent-up” anger against Han civilians in Lhasa on March 14, 2008, I sensed sympathetic sentiment from the reporters who portrayed violent acts as a “test” of “Beijing’s grip” on Tibet, while the victims were almost invisible in their coverage.


Unbalanced coverage, I thought. I looked online and found eyewitness accounts by western tourists. They described mobs gone crazy in riots and showed videos of civilians being chased, stoned and beaten. I felt sympathy for the victims.


Then I came upon a video clip by CTV, a national television network in Canada, showing dark-faced Nepalese police beating Tibetan demonstrators with sticks while a Tibetan talked about Chinese suppressing protests. I felt such grafting a gross fabrication. It didn’t appear to be a mistake as I found similar fabrications in other mainstream newspapers and TV programs in the West. I began to wonder: Is there a Western conspiracy to smear China? Or this is merely a reflection of the West’s sentiment towards the Tibet issue?


Either way, my trust in the Western media’s fairness and objectiveness began to waver. I wonder if I had been deceived by its report of what has become known as the Tiananmen Massacre, the decisive end to student protests in Tiananmen Square in 1989.



While a graduate student at the University of Toronto, I coordinated, immediately after the “Massacre”, the campaign to fax reports with pictures of the killed in Beijing to other parts of China, to tell people the truth. My parents in China had warned me to not participate in any political movement since my father had been jailed for four years without a trial during the Cultural Revolution and everyone in my family had been implicated.


But I would not return to China. I had been driven out by the government’s declaration to the world that “homosexuals do not exist in China.”


For my fellow students “massacred” on Tiananmen Square, I must do my part to spread the Western media’s report of truth to other parts of China, safely from Canada. One of our fax receivers faxed back to us to thank us for telling the truth. Then they told us to stop faxing because guards had been posted by fax machines.


The Chinese government maintained that no one died on Tiananmen Square. I disbelieved it.


Now, after witnessing the distorted coverage of the Lhasa riots by the Western media, I wasn’t so sure if the “Massacre” that had been told to me was true.

I researched online and found a 20-segment video documentary in Chinese. It chronicled the Tiananmen student movement with interviews of the student leaders and other leading figures on Tiananmen Square. It seemed credible. It showed facts that I did not know before.


Some hunger strikers actually ate. I had seen a Chinese government video showing some hunger strikers including the student leader Wuer Kaixi eating in a restaurant and I had dismissed it, partly because I hadn’t seen it in the western media’s coverage.


There was no democracy on Tiananmen Square. Whoever controlled the loudspeaker spoke on behalf of everyone. Factions of students fought to control the loudspeaker. There were almost three to four attempted coups daily.


After the government made one after another concession to the students’ demands, on May 27, 1989, a coalition of the student leaders and supporting workers and intellectuals agreed that the students would leave Tiananmen Square on May 30 so that they could, as student leader Wang Dang had long advocated, continue to pursue grassroots democracy on campuses.


But radical student leaders changed their minds and decided to stay on. One of them was Commander-in-Chief Chai Ling, who confided to an American journalist: “what we are actually hoping for is bloodshed, for the moment when the government has no choice but to brazenly butcher the people… I can't say all this to my fellow students. I can't tell them straight out that we must use our blood and our lives to call on the people to rise up.”


“Are you going to stay in the Square yourself?” asked the interviewer.


“No, I won’t.”


“Why?”


“… I want to live.”


That explained why, in the wee hours of June 4th, when troops moved in from the outskirts of Beijing to Tiananmen, shooting at civilians blocking the roads along the way, Chai Ling insisted that students stay at the Square.


However, a popular Taiwan-born singer Hou Dejian who had been on hunger strike on the Square to show solidarity with the students since June 2, brokered a permission at about 4:30am through a military commander to allow students to leave peacefully.


“We filed out of the square from the southeast corner. I was near the end of the line,” said Liang Xiaoyan, a lecturer of Beijing Foreign Studies University.


(The following day, I began coordinating the fax campaign to tell people in other parts of China about “Tiananmen Massacre”.)


“Some people said that 200 died in the Square and others claimed that as many as 2,000 died. There were also stories of tanks running over students who were trying to leave,” Hou Dejian said in the interview, “I have to say that I did not see any of that. I don't know where those people did. I myself was in the Square until 6:30 in the morning.”


“I kept thinking,” he continued, “Are we going to use lies to attack an enemy who lies?”


Tiananmen Massacre never happened! My heart pounded. I have faxed lies to China. No, this can’t be true. This documentary, in Chinese, is probably made by the Chinese government.


At the end of the film, the credits rolled out:

Produced and edited by

Richard Gordon

Carma Hinton


I felt that I would be dealing with my conscience for the rest of my life. Yes, many people died in Beijing on June 4th. A former classmate of mine saw a man falling off his bicycle after being shot when all of them were running away from Tiananmen Square. But there was no massacre on the Square.



I began to see the wisdom in my parents’ warning. True, in any political confrontation, the opposing sides would be tempted to use lies to win justice, and naïve participants would be caught in between. To blindly believe in either side would be dangerous.



I wondered what if the Western media had reported the Tiananmen student movement with a critical eye, instead of with romanticized sympathy. Perhaps the Chinese students on Tiananmen Square, who had admired the West’s democracy so much to have erected the “Liberty of Goddess” statue on Tiananmen Square, might have followed the more practical voices of Wang Dang and Hou Dejian to leave Tiananmen Square and continue their democratic movement at grassroots level on campuses. The bloodshed on the roads leading to Tiananmen Square on June 4th, perhaps, could have been avoided. The democratic force in China could have achieved more progress by now.


I wonder if the Western media’s lack of critical report on the Lhasa riots has encouraged the violent disruption to the Olympic torch relay, which in turn, may further encourage more violent or even terrorist acts in Beijing during the Games.


It is not too late for the media to report on Tibetans’ protests with a critical eye, which will ultimately benefit the Tibetans, the Olympians, China and the world.



Xiaoping Li is a freelance reporter based in Toronto.



Notes:


1) The above mentioned documentary film is titled “The Gate of Heavenly Peace”. Its six years of production and investigation were funded by The National Endowment for the Humanities, The Ford Foundation and The Rockefeller Foundation. It was premiered in New York in 1995, and banned in China. Its complete transcript is available at: THE GATE OF HEAVENLY PEACE - TRANSCRIPT


2) Events unfolded by the hour on Tiananmen Square in the night of June 3-4, were chronicled in the book “Black Hands of Beijing: Lives of Defiance in China's Democracy Movement”. Excerpts are available at: Black Hands of Beijing June 3-4


3) Chai Lin was nominated twice for the Nobel Peace Prize.


4) Robin Munro (a researcher for Human Rights Watch) and John Pomfret (Beijing bureau chief for The Washington Post) gave detailed accounts of their experiences on the Tiananmen Square in the night of June 3-4, 1989 in their interviews with PBS. The transcripts are available at: FRONTLINE: the tank man: interviews | PBS

From Tibet to Tiananmen

I kind of understand why the Chinese government is so sensitive and paranoid about those issues now.
 
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Are you posting from Hong Kong? How is the internet there? Is it blocked or open ?

I am posting in Shanghai, and no, it is not blocked.

Actually thank you for this opportunity for me to clarify things up.:enjoy:
 
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I am posting in Shanghai, and no, it is not blocked.

Actually thank you for this opportunity for me to clarify things up.:enjoy:

Yep. I figured that whole sites were getting blocked (Twitter , Flickr, hotmail etc. if NY times is correct). Maybe things are more complicated than the news site says?
 
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Yep. I figured that whole sites were getting blocked (Twitter , Flickr, hotmail etc. if NY times is correct). Maybe things are more complicated than the news site says?

I tried couple sites, except live.com all others works fine in China includes NY time, hotmail, Twitter and BBC. Also I can access both of your sources of the article with no problem at all. Flickr had been blocked for awhile already due to its pornographic context(**** include internet ones is not legal in China thus always been block once they find out, which really sucks).

Didn't the article I posted teach you anything?
 
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I tried couple sites, except live.com all others works fine in China includes NY time, hotmail, Twitter and BBC. Also I can access both of your sources of the article with no problem at all. Flickr had been blocked for awhile already due to its pornographic context(**** include internet ones is not legal in China thus always been block once they find out, which really sucks).

Didn't the article I posted teach you anything?

If government is not transparent nothing can be confirmed, You can post as many articles how good India in Kashmir and how bad ,even from neutral sources you can find articles ! But after democratic parties being suppressed completely in China what is the use of reading such articles ? Past is past...
 
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I tried couple sites, except live.com all others works fine in China includes NY time, hotmail, Twitter and BBC. Flickr had been blocked for awhile already due to its pornographic context(**** include internet ones is not legal in China thus always been block once they find out, which really sucks).

Didn't the article I posted teach you anything?

Thanks for the info!!

But about the article teaching me - It is very difficult for a non-chinese person to understand the content of the article. Many of the issues mentioned in it are irrelevant (or undiscussed) outside China. On the other hand it skips many things the west would consider as central to the Tiananmen debate. For example, most of the western debate these days is centered on this story by Wall Street Journal .
The Insider Who Tried to Stop Tiananmen - WSJ.com

Not that am not disagreeing with the story you posted - it is probably true and will be loved by a Chinese person living in US. Just that it does not resonate with me for me to be taught by it.
 
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If government is not transparent nothing can be confirmed, You can post as many articles how good India in Kashmir and how bad ,even from neutral sources you can find articles ! But after democratic parties being suppressed completely in China what is the use of reading such articles ? Past is past...

Don't be naive here, as you stated before yourself the power rest in the people themselves not any political parties. If you can just rally 1% of China's population to go up against the government, no army can squash this movement.

The point here is that it may surprise you that few people in China are really sympathetic towards the people who were involved in June 4th incident. Do you even know the name of the leader of that event? I guess not because if you dig down they became embarrassments themselves even in the West. There was no heroes then, just bunch of stupid college students trying to make some noise and got some of their teammate killed in the process. It is the people who have other motives making a such big fuss about it.
 
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I don't know why you deleted you post, but anyways I think you originally said "It is really easy to crush 1% of population, England had 100% Indian population under control with no problem."

Did you do how many farmers Mao has rallied in the beginning and it just went snowballing from there to a point that it successfully overthrown the KMT out of mainland China?

As regarding India, is that a joke?
 
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Thanks for the info!!

But about the article teaching me - It is very difficult for a non-chinese person to understand the content of the article. Many of the issues mentioned in it are irrelevant (or undiscussed) outside China. On the other hand it skips many things the west would consider as central to the Tiananmen debate. For example, most of the western debate these days is centered on this story by Wall Street Journal .
The Insider Who Tried to Stop Tiananmen - WSJ.com

Not that am not disagreeing with the story you posted - it is probably true and will be loved by a Chinese person living in US. Just that it does not resonate with me for me to be taught by it.

I understand you situation. The author of the article was just stating how his own view of that event changed after witnessed bias of Western Media towards China and kept dig down for more truth. He is not a fan of the government either, just someone who is trying to find out what really happened. As for the debate around The Insider Who Tried to Stop Tiananmen, it is something more about the political struggle at that time around the leaders in China, which is something the author won't know anything about. The Insider Who Tried to Stop Tiananmen came from a memoir written by the ex party chief of that time who got house arrested after he did not comply with the other leaders on this issue.
 
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The point here is that it may surprise you that few people in China are really sympathetic towards the people who were involved in June 4th incident. Do you even know the name of the leader of that event? I guess not because if you dig down they became embarrassments themselves even in the West. There was no heroes then, just bunch of stupid college students trying to make some noise and got some of their teammate killed in the process. It is the people who have other motives making a such big fuss about it.
No surprise really. We all know the ability of a state controlled media to influence and shape people's perceptions of the world...

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | How the Chinese reported Tiananmen
On 5 June, the day after the crackdown, the paper published a letter to all members of the Chinese Communist Party and people of the country from the Central Committee of the CCP and State Council.

It described the protests as "an appalling counter-revolutionary rebellion" involving "saboteurs" who "humiliated, beat and kidnapped PLA [People's Liberation Army] soldiers, officials and policeman" shouting "pick up weapons and overthrow the government".
 
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Don't be naive here, as you stated before yourself the power rest in the people themselves not any political parties. If you can just rally 1% of China's population to go up against the government, no army can squash this movement.

The point here is that it may surprise you that few people in China are really sympathetic towards the people who were involved in June 4th incident. Do you even know the name of the leader of that event? I guess not because if you dig down they became embarrassments themselves even in the West. There was no heroes then, just bunch of stupid college students trying to make some noise and got some of their teammate killed in the process. It is the people who have other motives making a such big fuss about it.


That is a completly false statement, if they were only college kids making some noise, then as the days progressed why did the crowd get larger?

It is because the labor worker (the non-huns and rural area worker), started to join. Since majority were minorities in the rally, the chinese establisment did not really care, hence lots of death.
 
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No surprise really. We all know the ability of a state controlled media to influence and shape people's perceptions of the world...

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | How the Chinese reported Tiananmen

I did not know you have such faith on state controlled media in China. Most people in their right minds would not believe what the CCTV or other state media says in the news. People constantly ridicule state media. There used to be a slang called "Don't be too CCTV", but now it changed to "Don't be too CNN" after what happened last year.

Anti-CCTV: Keeping an Eye on the State Broadcaster
Don't be too CNN--CNN won a lie but lost truth and reputation
 
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