China becomes a top-tier weapons exporter, India remains the largest importer

[ashok321]

India is on a shoestring defense budget of 54 billion out of which 42% goes to its soldiers payroll and Indian Armed Forces pay about 30% of customs duty on whatever they procure from overseas = Pathetic.

What is left behind for them to buy?

And still India's 10th pass PM claims to be capable of fighting 2 front war with China & Pakistan.
I am afraid this time is not the same as before(Pakistan's nukes notwithstanding) China might get involve too one or the other way.

Even the mini Kargil war for 15 days was too much to digest for Indians.
Their funds got exhausted and they thought of imposing "Kargil Tax" on each Indian.

Kargil tax -- An unavoidable necessity - The Indian Express

How can such a fragile nation afford to commit to a 2 front war with a potential superpower as China being part of it?

I think Modi's policies are out to ruin India slowly but surely.

This time war means Modi Kaput!

 

[xyxmt]

"It only proves India is richer than China, China cant even beat India in weapon imports", as cited by Indian economic expert

 

[rcrmj]

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And India imports none from China. Very interesting.
And Pakistan is China's biggest arms buyer, counting for nearly 47% of Chinese arms exports.

alot of expensive russian weapons dumped on your head have loads of Chinese components in them````so , what you are saying is not entirely true

 

[Chhatrapati]

alot of expensive russian weapons dumped on your head have loads of Chinese components in them````so , what you are saying is not entirely true

Big components like transistors and diodes? Steel used, may be the cement that used in the infra of the weapon factory. There it ends.
If the Russian weapons uses Chinese components, why China buy most of the weapons from Russia while you can assemble them by yourself?

 

[beijingwalker]

why China buy most of the weapons from Russia while you can assemble them by yourself?

Where did you hear that we buy most of our weapons from Russia, you must have confused India with China.

Comparing two five-year periods between 2007-11 and 2012-16, the volume of Chinese exports of major arms increased by 74 per cent. Its share of the global total of exports rose from 3.8 to 6.2 per cent, making it the third-largest supplier in the world, following the United States and Russia.

And those parts are not included in the figures

The Chinese threat, in the sky and underground
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/19/chinese-threat-in-sky-and-underground.html

 

[Chhatrapati]

Comparing two five-year periods between 2007-11 and 2012-16, the volume of Chinese exports of major arms increased by 74 per cent. Its share of the global total of exports rose from 3.8 to 6.2 per cent, making it the third-largest supplier in the world, following the United States and Russia.

Yeah, but both of them US and Russia export more than half of the world defense exports. While China is only comparable to France in terms of export numbers. The third biggest exporter is also the third or fourth biggest importer of weapons. Don't mock India when you yourself are one of the largest weapon importers.
And not to forget that around 50% of the weapon exports goes to one country alone.

Where did you hear that we buy most of our weapons from Russia, you must have confused India with China.

What more you need, most of your airplanes are from Russia, though they are locally produced, it's a Russian design.


Worlds third largest weapons exporter couldn't make a quality jet engine. While all the countries from Russia, US, UK, France, Germany have their own jet engines.

 

[beijingwalker]

You can read this ,without Chinese supplies US air force and ships won't function. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/19/chinese-threat-in-sky-and-underground.html That's globalization, we sell more than we buy and that means surplus, arms imports and exports are a type of business and we treat it as such. Indian doesn't make anything and still feel very good about it, but you should know you can't buy yourself into a power.

 

[rott]

Wasted money learning English?

You're right! I should have invested the money on more "whitening creams".

 

[Chhatrapati]

You're right! I should have invested the money on more "whitening creams".

Or you could've hired a "Whiteman". PS: Beware, the Russians and Serbs, though look white ain't gonna speak good English.

 

[rott]

Or you could've hired a "Whiteman". PS: Beware, the Russians and Serbs, though look white ain't gonna speak good English.

Did you mean you could have an alternative to the "whitening cream?"

 

[SBUS-CXK]

"It only proves India is richer than China, China cant even beat India in weapon imports", as cited by Indian economic expert

"When China took part in the Commonwealth Games in India, hope that India provide insects food"- citing India netizens in TOI.

"China's Z-19E seems to copy India's LCH"- citing India netizens in TOI.

1, China has never participated in the Commonwealth Games, and the main food in China is pasta.
2, the Chinese hardly know about LCH, but I think the people of Ecuador are impressed by it.
3, The arrogance of some people in India has become China's joke.

Big components like transistors and diodes? Steel used, may be the cement that used in the infra of the weapon factory. There it ends.
If the Russian weapons uses Chinese components, why China buy most of the weapons from Russia while you can assemble them by yourself?

What I can not understand is that India has almost the best equipment in the world, such as the American engine, the French design, the Israeli missiles, and the German steel... But India can only make LCA and Arjun. So India assembles the best products into garbage?

So India's industry needs to improve.

Yeah, but both of them US and Russia export more than half of the world defense exports. While China is only comparable to France in terms of export numbers. The third biggest exporter is also the third or fourth biggest importer of weapons. Don't mock India when you yourself are one of the largest weapon importers.
And not to forget that around 50% of the weapon exports goes to one country alone.

What more you need, most of your airplanes are from Russia, though they are locally produced, it's a Russian design.


Worlds third largest weapons exporter couldn't make a quality jet engine. While all the countries from Russia, US, UK, France, Germany have their own jet engines.

1, China's formal arms exports began in 80s, so it lags behind the US and Russia.
2, China can provide complete arms exports. Including ballistic missiles (Saudi Arabia),anti-aircraft missile (Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan), Rocket launcher (Turkey), tanks, aircraft, warships, drones, artillery and so on.
3, India is the world's largest exporter of weapons, the second is Saudi Arabia, and then China.

 

[Chhatrapati]

What I can not understand is that India has almost the best equipment in the world, such as the American engine, the French design, the Israeli missiles, and the German steel... But India can only make LCA and Arjun. So India assembles the best products into garbage?

So India's industry needs to improve.

Simple, you know why the Americans don't share any tech with you? Including the Europeans?

Stealing is low, no matter how much you glorify it, a thief is a thief. We can't build them simply because, we want to continue acquiring newer tech, and don't want any sanctions for IPR infringements. That's why India pushes for Technology transfer in many deals. Some turns out to be success, some gets shot down.

About LCA, how can you say LCA is garbage with your limited knowledge on 'lets say anything being discussed here'? Can you prove your claims that LCA and Arjun are utter garbage? Loud mouthing is easy.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Simple, you know why the Americans don't share any tech with you? Including the Europeans?

Stealing is low, no matter how much you glorify it, a thief is a thief. We can't build them simply because, we want to continue acquiring newer tech, and don't want any sanctions for IPR infringements. That's why India pushes for Technology transfer in many deals. Some turns out to be success, some gets shot down.

About LCA, how can you say LCA is garbage with your limited knowledge on 'lets say anything being discussed here'? Can you prove your claims that LCA and Arjun are utter garbage? Loud mouthing is easy.

Wow? So - is this the reason why India turned its best products into garbage?
No country is stupid. They don't put information on the table for you to see. And even if you're looking at these technologies - India can't make it!

Make a pleasant contrast.
LCA vs Q5, J6, J7,J8, J10, J10B, J10C, J11, J11B, J15, J16, J20, J31, JH7, K8, L15, L15B,, Y8, Y9, Y20, AG600, KJ2000, KJ500...
And the army and the navy, need me to make a list again?

Tell me - how do you steal an industrial system?

Sorry, all weapons in India are foreign, including bullets and design drawings. So forget the Cargile war.

 

[rcrmj]

Big components like transistors and diodes? Steel used, may be the cement that used in the infra of the weapon factory. There it ends.
If the Russian weapons uses Chinese components, why China buy most of the weapons from Russia while you can assemble them by yourself?

what most weapons from Russia? you need to read proper military articles not your high caste slave owners propaganda nonsenses``there are loads american, russian weapon systems use Chinese components```how about primitive India? even the paint on your funny LCA probably were imported too```seriously, what can your primitive country actually make these days?

Simple, you know why the Americans don't share any tech with you? Including the Europeans?

Stealing is low, no matter how much you glorify it, a thief is a thief. We can't build them simply because, we want to continue acquiring newer tech, and don't want any sanctions for IPR infringements. That's why India pushes for Technology transfer in many deals. Some turns out to be success, some gets shot down.

About LCA, how can you say LCA is garbage with your limited knowledge on 'lets say anything being discussed here'? Can you prove your claims that LCA and Arjun are utter garbage? Loud mouthing is easy.

well in real business world, India is renowned for stealing virtually anything that they are capable of``like the pharmaceutical industry, what Indian do was simply copy and paste Western drug companies formular```but due to India's primitiveness in technology and R&D, there arent much IP owned by Indian drug companies

in reality every advanced industrial country was build on the grasping of technological know-how and a complete industrial complex, not by copying as most ignorant people believe, thats why for a primitive country like India, even gave them all the detailed blue prints F119, plus hunderds of million funds, you wont make a F119 in 20 years time, its a fact