China bans Apple products from government purchases

[Aepsilons]

thinking U.S companies better start preparing to move their factories out of PRC and setup shop in Vietnam,Thailand, and maybe the Philippine if they haven't already.

Japan is already beginning to do this. Recent happenings in China will only, unfortunately, exacerbate this decision.

When Japan moves the some 4100 businesses in China , to ASEAN, this will leave the hundreds of thousands of Chinese we employ without jobs. This will be unfortunate.

 

[xunzi]

Japan is already beginning to do this. Recent happenings in China will only, unfortunately, exacerbate this decision.

When Japan moves the some 4100 businesses in China , to ASEAN, this will leave the hundreds of thousands of Chinese we employ without jobs. This will be unfortunate.

And you will lose hundred of billions in profit you gain from us. LOL Talk is cheap, my Nihon friend. Reality doesn't work that way. On the bright side, our local firm will grow faster.. We are also heading toward service generated job industry. You don't expect our people to work in factories forever, do you, my Nihon friend? Robotic automation will replace manual labor and it is unfortunate some get hurt by this development. The day and age of manual manufacturing labor have about 10-20 years of life left in China.

 

[Aepsilons]

And you will lose hundred of billions in profit you gain from us. LOL Talk is cheap, my Nihon friend. Reality doesn't work that way. On the bright side, our local firm will grow faster.. We are also heading toward service generated job industry. You don't expect our people to work in factories forever, do you, my Nihon friend? Robotic automation will replace manual labor and it is unfortunate some get hurt by this development. The day and age of manual manufacturing labor have about 10-20 years of life left in China.

My dear friend,

It may hurt Japan in the first cycle as we reorient our bases from China to key ASEAN states (Philippines, Viet Nam, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia), but as time develops, we will be able to regain any losses. At least in these nations, we will not fear massive rioting and have to worry about political disenfranchisement as what had happened in China in 2010, 2012.

Whereas the effects in China will be obvious , as there will be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of unemployed Chinese workers who were formerly employed by Japanese businesses (4100 of them).

Trust me, our friends in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, ASEAN are vying for these businesses. Its not like China is our only option.

This said, I am saddened by the current state of events. I do honestly wish China - Japan relationship is reaffirmed. We do not want to move manufacturing, but we are forced to take this initiative out of necessity.

As for Chinese plans of entry into the service sector, I wish the best of luck for your country. Ganbatte Kudasai!

 

[Edison Chen]

What's the percentage of Apple products part of governmen purchase?

 

[TaiShang]

My dear friend,

It may hurt Japan in the first cycle as we reorient our bases from China to key ASEAN states (Philippines, Viet Nam, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia), but as time develops, we will be able to regain any losses. At least in these nations, we will not fear massive rioting and have to worry about political disenfranchisement as what had happened in China in 2010, 2012.

Whereas the effects in China will be obvious , as there will be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of unemployed Chinese workers who were formerly employed by Japanese businesses (4100 of them).

Trust me, our friends in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, ASEAN are vying for these businesses. Its not like China is our only option.

This said, I am saddened by the current state of events. I do honestly wish China - Japan relationship is reaffirmed. We do not want to move manufacturing, but we are forced to take this initiative out of necessity.

As for Chinese plans of entry into the service sector, I wish the best of luck for your country. Ganbatte Kudasai!

Japanese automakers are doing well in China although I am surprised that they are still behind the West. I would like to see more China-Japan collaboration in this field. If Japan is being (relatively) beaten by other foreigners in one industry it is particularly strong, how can they compete (especially electronics) against the new start-ups and foreign competition from Korea and Taiwan?

It may as well be that Japanese business partly leaves out of necessity, but not will.

 

[xunzi]

My dear friend,

It may hurt Japan in the first cycle as we reorient our bases from China to key ASEAN states (Philippines, Viet Nam, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia), but as time develops, we will be able to regain any losses. At least in these nations, we will not fear massive rioting and have to worry about political disenfranchisement as what had happened in China in 2010, 2012.

Whereas the effects in China will be obvious , as there will be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of unemployed Chinese workers who were formerly employed by Japanese businesses (4100 of them).

Trust me, our friends in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, ASEAN are vying for these businesses. Its not like China is our only option.

This said, I am saddened by the current state of events. I do honestly wish China - Japan relationship is reaffirmed. We do not want to move manufacturing, but we are forced to take this initiative out of necessity.

As for Chinese plans of entry into the service sector, I wish the best of luck for your country. Ganbatte Kudasai!

You don't really understand how manufacturing works, supply and demand market work, do you? A big bloc of land in one spot is always more advantageous in supply and transportation distribution than fraction of bloc in various part of the ocean. It is not an efficient way to make money! That is why every firms went to China to operate because we offer a unique position of production efficiency and they earn massive profit from it. 1.3 billion concentrate in one area with advance manufacturing capability certainly do that for you.

Most of your businesses in China are concentrate on catering to service industry now. Manufacturing sector doesn't earn huge profit anymore, except for automobile which we know is done through robotic automation. The manual labor intensive work is employed mostly by China contractors, local firm, and Taiwan. That is not going to change any time soon.

My friend, the economic cycle will adjust itself. You left, others go in and local firms take over. It is hardly a loss. You earn huge surplus from us every year. Think about that for a second.

 

[Aepsilons]

Japanese automakers are doing well in China although I am surprised that they are still behind the Western wheel. I would like to see more China-Japan collaboration in this field. If Japan is being (relatively) beaten by other foreigners in one industry it is particularly strong, how can they compete (especially electronics) against the new start-ups and foreign competition from Korea and Taiwan?

It may as well be that Japanese business partly leaves out of necessity, but not will.

Alas this is why it is important that both Xi and Abe find ways, enact measures, to de-escalate. It does not serve either of our interests.

 

[Aepsilons]

You don't really understand how manufacturing works, supply and demand market work, do you?

I'm versed in managerial economics, my friend. The question that I would retort to you is: what country , aside from Japan, can invest in the level of manufacturing in China ? Most of our manufacturing plants in China are multi-billion dollar sites, that are designed to produce thousands of products per day, and coordinated with shipping corridors. If we vacate, hypothetically, the gap would be too wide. Korea? Do you honestly think that Hyundai and KIA can compare? Have you seen the plants in Dalian, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Fujian -- that are home to: Honda, Acura, Lexus, Toyota, Nissan, Infinit, Subaru, Mazda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, etc ? Yea, good luck with that, my friend.

You are right that Japan earns billions in profits in China. This is why de-escalation is necessary to ensure our confidence in China. If not, we will vacate, and do our businesses somewhere else.


Exhibit 1, Honda Plan in China,

Exhibit B,

 

[xunzi]

I'm versed in managerial economics, my friend. The question that I would retort to you is: what country , aside from Japan, can invest in the level of manufacturing in China ? Most of our manufacturing plants in China are multi-billion dollar sites, that are designed to produce thousands of products per day, and coordinated with shipping corridors. If we vacate, hypothetically, the gap would be too wide. Korea? Do you honestly think that Hyundai and KIA can compare? Have you seen the plants in Dalian, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Fujian -- that are home to: Honda, Acura, Lexus, Toyota, Nissan, Infinit, Subaru, Mazda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, etc ? Yea, good luck with that, my friend.

You are right that Japan earns billions in profits in China. This is why de-escalation is necessary to ensure our confidence in China. If not, we will vacate, and do our businesses somewhere else.


Exhibit 1, Honda Plan in China,

Exhibit B,

No one offer you the profit you got like in China. That is the end of the story. You make profit off the operation in China. If you move elsewhere, other plant will replace you. In fact, our local auto firms will take advantage of this. We probably thank you for it. As I said, it's a mutual relationship and as a big country like us, Japan is not the only we do business with.

 

[Aepsilons]

No one offer you the profit you got like in China. That is the end of the story. You make profit off the operation in China. If you move elsewhere, other plant will replace you. In fact, our local auto firms will take advantage of this. We probably thank you for it. As I said, it's a mutual relationship and as a big country like us, Japan is not the only we do business with.

Best of luck to that then. We will see how the future unfolds. Japan must do what it must.

 

[Beidou2020]

Kick out every single Western tech company out of China. Every one of them. China has its own domestic alternatives and will give domestic company the revenue they need to increase R&D and become more innovative.

US companies are no longer needed. Most of the manufacturing and exports is done by Chinese companies (private and SOE).

Ban US tech companies.