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We have several times warned our members, especially Chinese members, to be cautious and sober with regard to opinion makers and especially the Pakistan Armed Forces -- While ordinary Pakistanis overwhelmingly fell good about relations with China, it must always be remembered that a MERCENARY ethic in Pakistani society is simply reality - This ethic arises from the reality that most Pakistanis do not know what they want or why they should want it, the one thing they do know and want is a better life, but some are determined that it must be without China and Pakistan as strategic allies and as friends:



Understanding China
Dr Farrukh Saleem
Sunday, July 14, 2013


In order to understand China, the first thing one must understand is that the Communist Party of China (CPC) 'stands above the law'. According to Red Flag magazine – the CPC's bi-weekly – constitutionalism "belongs to capitalism and bourgeois dictatorships not to China's people's democracy" adding that a "constitutional government is not suitable for socialist countries."

The next paradigm one must understand is the CPC's current priorities. In 2011, for the first time ever, the CPC allocated $95 billion for internal security; $4 billion more than what was allocated for the People's Liberation Army (PLA). Message: the CPC's priority is internal security.

For the record, there were "180,000 protests, riots and mass demonstrations in 2010 – an average of 500 every day." In early 2011, as a consequence of an online call, Chinese demonstrators came out in large numbers in Beijing, Shanghai, Changchun, Changsha, Chengdu, Guangzhou, Hangzhou, Harbin, Nanjing, Shenyang, Tianjin, Wuhan and Xi'an. The slogan was the same everywhere: 'Accountability and transparency doesn't exist under the current one-party system'.

The next thing one must understand is that the PLA's official motto is to "guarantee the ruling position of the CPC". Officially, the top among PLA's five 'core values' is 'loyalty to the party'. In effect, the PLA's primary responsibility becomes the maintenance of the CPC's absolute monopoly over all forms of political power over every inch of China's 9.7 million square kilometres. In effect, the PLA "is not a national army that belongs to the state but rather an armed wing of the CPC". For the record, almost "all PLA officers are party members".

The next thing one must understand is that the PLA's 2.3 million active-duty personnel are overstretched – way overstretched – because of country-wide internal security duties. As a consequence, the PLA is neither structurally configured nor has the capacity to project Chinese power to foreign lands. In essence, the PLA's "domestic drag inhibits the PLA's ability to concentrate on external missions".

The next thing one must understand is China's economic growth model. To be certain, China's economic growth model has been very successful but the model remains export-driven and export-dependent. The export-driven component of the model has made China's coastal population very prosperous, while others inland – a majority – remain relatively poor (a classic driver of conflict). The export-dependent component of the model has made China highly dependent on commercial sea lanes and thus dependent on the US Navy (as all commercial sea lanes in the South China Sea and the East China Sea are controlled by the Seventh Fleet).

Another thing one must understand is that China imports $175 billion worth of electrical machinery, oil worth $85 billion, scientific instruments worth $50 billion and office machines worth $40 billion. Clearly, Pakistan has almost nothing that China needs. Pakistan's exports are more than 50 percent cotton and cotton-related, seven percent rice, six percent leather and two percent sporting goods.

In effect, the Pak-China trade relationship is a one dimensional affair – China exports $10 billion worth of products every year to us but we have next to nothing that we can export to China. Shockingly, 40 percent of our entire trade deficit is the consequence of our bilateral trade with China.


The writer is a columnist based in Islamabad. Email:
 
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So what is this Pakistani intellectual saying about China and what is the point he is hoping to make : Obviously the purpose is to make the argument that China is not and cannot be a partner or ally of Pakistan. So what are the elements of this argument:

1. That China is not a constitutional Democracy
2. The PLA is dictatorial regimes storm troopers, and not nationalist guardians of China's borders and security
3. That the PLA is overstretched - it is a paper tiger and cannot help Pakistan even if it wanted to
4. Pakistan have nothing China wish to trade
5 China does not trade with Pakistan, it steals from Pakistan, as Pakistan has a huge deficit with China and this is not the fault of Pakistanis but of China

Chinese friends and those Pakistanis who wish to promote friendship between Pakistan and China should consider these Op/ED pieces as the opening of a new front
 
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So what is this Pakistani intellectual saying about China and what is the point he is hoping to make : Obviously the purpose is to make the argument that China is not and cannot be a partner or ally of Pakistan. So what are the elements of this argument:

1. That China is not a constitutional Democracy
2. The PLA is dictatorial regimes storm troopers, and not nationalist guardians of China's borders and security
3. That the PLA is overstretched - it is a paper tiger and cannot help Pakistan even if it wanted to
4. Pakistan have nothing China wish to trade
5 China does not trade with Pakistan, it steals from Pakistan, as Pakistan has a huge deficit with China and this is not the fault of Pakistanis but of China

Chinese friends and those Pakistanis who wish to promote friendship between Pakistan and China should consider these Op/ED pieces as the opening of a new front

The PRC is the current incarnation of the civilization-state known as China.

Obsession with "ideology" amongst the top Chinese leadership died in the 1980's with Deng Xiaoping's new policy of "Pragmatism". It is no longer about ideology, but rather about what is practical.

The CPC is the Chinese government, and the PLA is the Chinese army. They are currently the nationalist guardians of the Chinese civilization-state.
 
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OP is a disgruntled Pakistani Shia trying to damage Pakistan-China relationship with such Posts.

This is not the first and it follows a pattern of this kind of Garbage threads.

Cut the crap with the sectarian stuff, you are hurting many patriotic Pakistanis, and regarding this retard - he is obviously one of the "paid" journo's on you know who's payroll. Most Pakistani's ie the vast majority have only favorable views on China.
 
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The PRC is the current incarnation of the civilization-state known as China.

Obsession with "ideology" amongst the top Chinese leadership died in the 1980's with Deng Xiaoping's new policy of "Pragmatism".

That's very interesting , so I learnt today that so called Iranian pragmatism" as mentioned by westerners has something to do with china

Total opposite of what?

of BAD....
 
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OP is a disgruntled Pakistani Shia trying to damage Pakistan-China relationship with such Threads and Posts.

This is not the first and it follows a pattern of this kind of Garbage threads.



Most of the stuff Pakistan buys from China is in Defence Sector and we need those for the defence of our country.
 
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Muse is a good poster, I doubt he is trying to attack China.

Not just good but brilliant and HONEST --- The advise or warning I have presented, you can take or leave but be assured that you will see much more of this kind of arguments in the press

So WHY are we going to see more these arguments? Because the kind of strategic alignments that Pakistan and China seek are seen as dangerous by others to their interests.

So what should be done to defeat such arguments??????????????

This depends on Pakistanis more than it does on Chinese -- you have seen the responses of some already, sectarian, denial and befuddled - in other words they do not know how to respond logically and effectively -- we have already said that there is a great reservoir of good will for China among ordinary Pakistanis - but Chinese friends should not take this for granted, as we have also said there is a MERCENARY ethic to the society in Pakistan.
 
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