China and Russia's military arsenals are terrifying in scale - but how would they perform in combat?

[aziqbal]

You are wrong again.

The military planner did not plan 11 x Ford class carrier to face hypersonic AShBM; they may plan to face submarine threats but they know they can't guarantee the survivals against massive submarines threat.



That means you are saying that Pentagon/US military is dellussioning when they tried to anticipate DF-26 and develop SM-6 variant for DF-26 like threat.

Most probably, you are the delusional one instead of US Military and Chinese Military.


Do you believe that during 20 years, Chinese subs have only made 4 attempts to sneak into japanese water or US CBG and all of those 4 attempts were detected?

Or do you agree that China may have made probably more than 100 attempts where the only 4 of them were detected?
Because when they were successfully sneaking undetectedly, they would not announce, right?

which submarines? Chinese ? no threat as they never leave South China Sea, as a mater of fact they have never operated a Nuclear deterrent deep water patrol in the Pacific because Chinese dont trust their submarines

 

[AViet]

North Korea has over 800 junks does this make the N.K the worlds most powerful navy, no it doesnt

NK army may crush your army within weeks in a war which occurs in a neutral field, like Central Asia. They do not have the navy to conquer your island, but your navy cannot conquer them.

Perhaps NK army alone can conquer all of NATO Europe if they get the support from Russia to deploy to Europe border, judging from their readiness, their disciplines and the quality of Western so-called "armies".

Western armies can bully the like of Afghanistan or Iraq, but they have never met a real army in last 70 years.

I lived in South Korea. With all modern equipment, with a battle ready army, with all propaganda machines and supports from Western nations, it is still South Korea who are scared of a Northern invasion, not vice versa. Do you really believe UK army is stronger than South Korea army? I do not (and neither most realistic people in the world).

 

[aziqbal]

NK army may crush your army within weeks in a war which occurs in a neutral field, like Central Asia. They do not have the navy to conquer your island, but your navy cannot conquer them.

Perhaps NK army alone can conquer all of NATO Europe if they get the support from Russia to deploy to Europe border, judging from their readiness, their disciplines and the quality of Western so-called "armies".

Western armies can bully the like of Afghanistan or Iraq, but they have never met a real army in last 70 years.

I lived in South Korea. With all modern equipment, with a battle ready army, with all propaganda machines and supports from Western nations, it is still South Korea who are scared of a Northern invasion, not vice versa. Do you really believe UK army is stronger than South Korea army? I do not (and neither most realistic people in the world).

Delusional fanboy UK has enough nuclear warheads on its 4 boomers to make North Korea a quite place for next 10,000 years

Too many Chinese fanboys on this forum

 

[Nasr]

North Korea has over 800 junks does this make the N.K the worlds most powerful navy, no it doesnt

China in 10 years never sent CV16 out into the Pacific for a operational combat patrol nor the CV17

the Russian carrier is never seen without a tug in case of break down

003 is far from complete and only J15 copy of Su33 doesnt give it any more capabilities

together they have 3-4 questionable carriers that a most could reach South China Sea

and a single US Carrier would wipe them clean

but the question I keep asking myself, is this Tai Hai Chen a Russian or Chinese fanboy ?

War is fought by men with courage, tenacity and strong faith. The machines and weapons used in war, are only as good as the human operating it. Such has been the ethos of Pakistan Military, specifically Pakistan Air Force, who incidentally thrashed the enemy on February 2019.

When the Malhama culminates, it won't be the better weapon that will determine the outcome, rather the faith in Allah, of the nation using those weapons to fight the war.

America, Britain, France, Japan, Australia and others in the Western Alliance, tout their technology all day long, but they do not have an ounce of real faith in God. In the end, it is one's faith in God which will determine who the victor is.

 

[vishwambhar]

NK army may crush your army within weeks in a war which occurs in a neutral field, like Central Asia. They do not have the navy to conquer your island, but your navy cannot conquer them.

Perhaps NK army alone can conquer all of NATO Europe if they get the support from Russia to deploy to Europe border, judging from their readiness, their disciplines and the quality of Western so-called "armies".

Western armies can bully the like of Afghanistan or Iraq, but they have never met a real army in last 70 years.

I lived in South Korea. With all modern equipment, with a battle ready army, with all propaganda machines and supports from Western nations, it is still South Korea who are scared of a Northern invasion, not vice versa. Do you really believe UK army is stronger than South Korea army? I do not (and neither most realistic people in the world).

In real world all it takes UK astute class nuclear submarines to fire trident missiles sitting in English channel and SK will be a history..... SK is powerful country but UK is totally in different class....

 

[Zarvan]

Chinese Air Force and also Russian Air Force is not a match to USA. The main threat to USA from China and Russia are their submarines and their missiles.

 

[vostok]

Russia has far more advanced nuclear arsenal, both strategic and tactical, so there is no chance USA ever dare to attack Russia. The only thing USA is the best in is surface navy, but Russia is already testing hypersonic cruise antiship missiles - next generation weapon USA lacks.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Chinese Air Force and also Russian Air Force is not match to USA. The main threat to USA from China and Russia are their submarines and their missiles.

They hear Russian subs are pretty good.

 

[aziqbal]

They hear Russian subs are pretty good.

ok I am confused

are you Russian or Chinese fanboy ?

 

[antonius123]

which submarines? Chinese ? no threat as they never leave South China Sea, as a mater of fact they have never operated a Nuclear deterrent deep water patrol in the Pacific because Chinese dont trust their submarines

Yes.

You think Chinese subs never leave SCS, because they dont trust their own submarines? LOL. This is according to your delusion, silly assumptions and ignorance.

Chinese subs is not limited to SCS, they have been around globe.

Pentagon warns on risk of Chinese submarines in Arctic

Deepening Chinese activities in the Arctic region could pave the way for a strengthened military presence, including the deployment of submarines to act as deterrents against nuclear attack, the Pentagon said in a report released on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

In the meatime, this is for you to educate yourself:

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Meanwhile, China’s submarine force, most of which are diesel-electric powered, could threaten U.S. carriers or other ships. The Defense Intelligence Agency has estimated that by this year Beijing’s fleet would increase to about 70 boats.​

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It includes nuclear-powered attack submarines, or SSNs, such as the Shang class, and ballistic missile boats, or SSBMs, in the Jin class.​

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China’s subs are armed with anti-ship cruise missiles, wire-guided and wake-homing torpedoes, and mines, and each Jin-class boat is expected to be armed with 12 JL-2 nuclear-armed ballistic missiles, according to O’Rourke.​

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Fanell said with new production facilities, China may soon be able to launch two SSNs and one SSBNs annually, giving it as many as 24 SSNs and 14 SSBNs by 2030.​

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Eagle vs Dragon: How the U.S. and Chinese Navies Stack Up

Eagle vs Dragon: How the U.S. and Chinese Navies Stack Up

www.nationaldefensemagazine.org

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[aziqbal]

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Eagle vs Dragon: How the U.S. and Chinese Navies Stack Up

Eagle vs Dragon: How the U.S. and Chinese Navies Stack Up

www.nationaldefensemagazine.org

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yes only for Chinese fanboys dreams like Type 091 SSN been active since 1974 and yet not s single deterrent patrol

we will have to wait till 2075 to see Type 095 come to Taiwan straits

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

ok I am confused

are you Russian or Chinese fanboy ?

China and Russia are friendly with each other.

 

[aziqbal]

China and Russia are friendly with each other.

yes we can see that clearly

Moscow targets Chinese with raids amid virus fears

Moscow targets Chinese with raids amid virus fears

Russian authorities are going to significant lengths to keep the virus in China from surfacing in Moscow

abcnews.go.com

 

[antonius123]

yes only for Chinese fanboys dreams like Type 091 SSN been active since 1974 and yet not s single deterrent patrol

we will have to wait till 2075 to see Type 095 come to Taiwan straits

So according to you: Pentagon, National Defense, and RAND are Chinese fanboys because they dont agree with you?

This prove your ignorance, delusion, and denial in fact. You dont deserve pdf thinkthank title anymore.

 

[aziqbal]

So according to you: Pentagon, National Defense, and RAND are Chinese fanboys because they dont agree with you?

This prove your ignorance, delusion, and denial in fact. You dont deserve pdf thinkthank title anymore.

yes because like your opinion matters

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