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[sancho]

中俄签署采购24架苏35战机与4艘拉达级潜艇合同 2013年03月25日 09:52　来源：中国新闻网
中新网3月25日电 据央视新闻报道，日前，中俄签署重大军售框架协议。中俄合作建造4搜“拉达”级AIP潜艇出售给中国。中国向俄采购24架苏35战机。

中俄签署采购24架苏35战机与4艘拉达级潜艇合同

finally contract signed. 24 su 35 and 4 subs.

Any more details about the technical capabilities or the purposes (roles, bases,) mentioned?

Which sub is china going to buy ?? Lada or Amur .

Lada is the Russian designation, Amur is the export varient.

 

[Abingdonboy]

India spend 36 billions in the project, but Russia has the final saying whether they will sell T50 to China. lots of India said T50 and FGFA is different in avionics and weapon system, why China can't induct some T50? As China and India are both Friends of Russia, anything will happen.

BS you think India would spend $30+ BN on the PAK-FA/FGFA project just for Russia to go and sell the platform to someone India doesn't want it sold to?? Are you stupid? Russia had a choice to partner either India or China on the 5th gen project and it chose India-end of story.

Of course India will get a say in who receives this machine just like it gets a say in who gets the Bhramos and who will get the MTA.

 

[Sanchez]

Come on guys. China buys or not to buy Russian stuff is mainly political. What strength can PLA get by having 20 some fighters and a few submarines. It's either a gesture of friendship or something that PLA wants to look at closely.

 

[帅的一匹]

BS you think India would spend $30+ BN on the PAK-FA/FGFA project just for Russia to go and sell the platform to someone India doesn't want it sold to?? Are you stupid? Russia had a choice to partner either India or China on the 5th gen project and it chose India-end of story.

Of course India will get a say in who receives this machine just like it gets a say in who gets the Bhramos and who will get the MTA.

Have you got any firm source that Russia won't sell T50 to China?

 

[OrionHunter]

China has resumed negotiations with Russia over the purchase of "4++ generation" Sukhoi Su-35 multirole fighters.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...alks-russia-su-35-purchase.html#ixzz2OYTPPu00

"4++ generation"! Then there'd be a 4+++++++++ generation!! WTF? Why can't they just re-christian the damn nomenclature and brand a 4+ as a 5th gen fighter? And a 5+ as a 6th gen and so on? Why do people make life so complicated? Sheeeesh! These ++++s are making me dizzy!

 

[Abingdonboy]

Have you got any firm source that Russia won't sell T50 to China?

Have you got any source they will? It's common sense man. Forget the Indian angle here, why would the Russians want to give their latest tech that they have spent literally decades developing to China who won't hesitate to infringe IP, reverse engineer the tech and then incorporate it into their own platforms. The SU-35 you can understand to an extent as the Russians know their fifth gen fighter is just around the corner so there isn't too much wrong in giving that tech to China (with as much of the latest tech stripped out) but why would they give the tech they are going to be relying on for the next few decades to China so that right at the outset their latest tech is compromised and irrelevant?



Looking at India, do you really think any sane nation would throw $30 BN++ at a project without assurances that their interests won't be threatened by this very same project down the line? Is China willing to give $30BN+ to Russia? If not then why would a sale of the PAK-FA (which has concrete orders from both India and Russia, unlike the SU-35) be in Russia's interests?


Apply a little common sense pal.

 

[3Idiots]

"4++ generation"! Then there'd be a 4+++++++++ generation!! WTF? Why can't they just re-christian the damn nomenclature and brand a 4+ as a 5th gen fighter? And a 5+ as a 6th gen and so on? Why do people make life so complicated? Sheeeesh! These ++++s are making me dizzy!

Because every generation has a key distinguishing characteristic:

4th Gen has to have fly-by-wire.. otherwise the plane isn't 4th Gen (e.g. Mig-21 Bison can't become 4th Gen, despite any kind of overhaul).

Similarly, 5th Gen has to have stealth + internal weapon bays.

4+ just means there is no stealth and internal weapon bays.. although the plane is quite an improvement over plain vanilla 4th Gens.

 

[3Idiots]

Only one condition to buy Su-35 and Amur class subs, it is to set the deal of gas.

With no reasonable price of gas, we won't buy Su-35 and Amur class sub.

That is obviously built into the deal ... there is plenty of cheap.. rather free .. gas coming china's way.

And that's not all, Russia will give a bouquet of roses to Xi Jinping every time he visits.

Russia also promises to transfer half its wheat production to china for 20 years for free.

These things are just simple "customer service".. no need to mention or be thankul for.

 

[qwerrty]

don't get too excited guys..

this is the real news. it says nothing about these deals. i don't find anything about these signed deals on cctv or peopledaily that those articles quoting them

do a search. you won't find any..

China, Russia agree to strengthen defense cooperation
English.news.cn 2013-03-25 03:11:08
*ttp://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-03/25/c_124496966.htm

MOSCOW, March 24 (Xinhua) -- Top Chinese and Russian military officials met here on Sunday, with both sides expressing the hope to further strengthen defense cooperation.

During a meeting with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Chang Wanquan, Chinese State Councilor and Defense Minister, said that bilateral defense cooperation is a key part of China-Russia relations.

Through joint efforts, wide-ranging and multi-layer defense cooperation has become a pivot of the China-Russia comprehensive strategic partnership, Chang noted.

Currently, both sides should work hard to implement the consensus reached by leaders of the two countries, and strengthen military-to-military exchanges and cooperation, said the Chinese minister.

China is ready to work with Russia to tap the potentials and expand the scope of bilateral defense cooperation, so as to lift it to a new level, Chang said.

He cited several key areas in the promotion of pragmatic cooperation between the two armed forces, including high-level contact, strategic negotiation, joint exercise and personnel exchange.

Chang also pointed out that the just-concluded state visit to Russia by Chinese President Xi Jinping has injected new impetus into the two countries' strategic partnership.

"Given the complex international scenario today, China-Russia strategic cooperation and coordination will not only benefit the two peoples, but also help promote world peace and stability," he observed.

Shoigu, for his part, hailed the "unprecedented high level" of the Russia-China strategic partnership. The consensus reached by the top leaders has shown the direction of future development of bilateral ties, he noted.

Russia attaches great importance to mutually beneficial cooperation with China, and is satisfied with the fruitful military exchanges between the two sides, the minister said.

Russia is willing to strengthen coordination with China and further push forward defense cooperation between the two countries, he added.

 

[3Idiots]

don't get too excited guys..

this is the real news. it says nothing about these deals. i don't find anything about these signed deals on cctv or peopledaily that those articles quoting them

do a search. you won't find any..

Further, no document signed by Xi Jinping was found, stating that there is a deal.

Hence proved.

 

[qwerrty]

nope. it's your proof only

 

[sweetgrape]

That time will tell buddy... Just wait and watch. Same chinese where saying that they wont buy dey got their 5th gen ready and all. You need engine and you are getting it from su35. No other point it buying 24 jets. When you claim china is self sufficiente. well it is self sufficiente no doubt in it. but what about the engine...?

Of course, you can wait and watch, beside these, maybe you can talk, all these what you can do, but we will do some action to prove ourself, yes, we have gap with Russia and USA, we are working for matching for them, but anything is possible, before j20, how many person can predict it?
Your comments are not creative like mine, as a indian "with creativeness", you should feel shamed for liking a brainwashed chinese, hehe!!
BTW, You said "wait and watch", you'd better do as you say, don't talk too much, just show your ignorance!

 

[kurup]

Lada is the Russian designation, Amur is the export varient.

In wiki the specifications of Lada and the two Amur versions were completely different . So I thought both are different subs.

Is there any variant of Amur with both VLS and AIP ??

 

[selvan33]

Have you got any source they will? It's common sense man. Forget the Indian angle here, why would the Russians want to give their latest tech that they have spent literally decades developing to China who won't hesitate to infringe IP, reverse engineer the tech and then incorporate it into their own platforms. The SU-35 you can understand to an extent as the Russians know their fifth gen fighter is just around the corner so there isn't too much wrong in giving that tech to China (with as much of the latest tech stripped out) but why would they give the tech they are going to be relying on for the next few decades to China so that right at the outset their latest tech is compromised and irrelevant?



Looking at India, do you really think any sane nation would throw $30 BN++ at a project without assurances that their interests won't be threatened by this very same project down the line? Is China willing to give $30BN+ to Russia? If not then why would a sale of the PAK-FA (which has concrete orders from both India and Russia, unlike the SU-35) be in Russia's interests?


Apply a little common sense pal.

Dude are you the professioner or where you got this common sense news. from your mind or any credible source. first of all india didn't signed any deal with russia for PAK FA. In PAK FA we are just a buyer not a co producer. In FGFA only we are going to start a discussion with russia for a research and development process.And for the third markets, even russia is going to submit FGFA only not a PAK FA. because PAK FA for russian need only. and they can sell that to any one. yeah we can object or we can express our concerns, but we can't stop it. And we cannot spend that much what china can. so russia can sell their water down version of pak fa to any one who are ready to give money and russia barely needs money that we can't afford that much right now.

 

[indian_foxhound]

Of course, you can wait and watch, beside these, maybe you can talk, all these what you can do, but we will do some action to prove ourself, yes, we have gap with Russia and USA, we are working for matching for them, but anything is possible, before j20, how many person can predict it?
Your comments are not creative like mine, as a indian "with creativeness", you should feel shamed for liking a brainwashed chinese, hehe!!
BTW, You said "wait and watch", you'd better do as you say, don't talk too much, just show your ignorance!

1st of all we have free media ... I read what world read.. I know what world knows...so point of getting brainwashed... well I don't see any "creativeness" in your jets design as almost every jets is copied form west or russia...shouting on top of your lungs won't make it "chinese with creativeness design" nor makes you right.... nor your post have any " creativeness" accept this fact.. I know its hard to swallow but no one will make you, your post or your hardware called "with creativeness" and i wonder what you meant by " with creativeness"