China aims for naval supremacy by 2050

[antonius123]

Every project has a initial feasibility report whether project is military or civil it doesn't matter feasibility is must than its come from surveying the land, whether this place is safe for building shipyard what soil quality that land have etc etc is that land relatively safe for natural disaster such as Earthquakes/ typhoons or landslides etc etc when govt final it decision than construction will start

You are using standard business approach. Of course I am not denying that feasibility report commonly is required. But read carefully, I said: it is "by instruction of the government for military purpose", that means no need business and even environmentally related feasibility study;

The initial feasibility report for this case should be short.

And your childish thinking that install cranes in one month, install this in 2 months is so funny that i am laughing so hard, this not video game or something, for any govt trying to build Naval base or Naval shipyards the rule and regulations are more Stricker than civilian ship constructions or designing a naval shipyard which means more and multiple rigged testing at the factories which creating the infra for naval shipyards

LOL. Obviously You judge it simply by your feeling and clueleslly

The lead time for a gantry crane is approximately 4-5 weeks
Citation: https://pwiworks.com/overhead-cranes/gantry-cranes/

While I said 3 months because it is very large gantry crane

all part are childish

According to clueless one who judge by childish imagination. You are talking about your own argument which always has no reference instead own feeling

And your childish thinking that install cranes in one month, install this in 2 months is so funny that i am laughing so hard, this not video game or something, for any govt trying to build Naval base or Naval shipyards the rule and regulations are more Stricker than civilian ship constructions or designing a naval shipyard which means more and multiple rigged testing at the factories which creating the infra for naval shipyards

Then how long according to your knowledge? citation please ..

 

[White and Green with M/S]

I said: it is "by instruction of the government for military purpose", that means no need business and even environmentally related feasibility study;

lol Military want more safety/testing and fit systems than comparing to Civilian systems

so feasibility report is more important than others LOL, you're saying opposite LOL

LOL. Obviously You judge it simply by your feeling and clueleslly

The lead time for a gantry crane is approximately 4-5 weeks
Citation: https://pwiworks.com/overhead-cranes/gantry-cranes/

While I said 3 months because it is very large gantry crane

And there are not single gantry cranes in shipyards but tens of them, so you will estimate how much takes time to fit all these gantry cranes

Then how long according to your knowledge? citation please ..

According to clueless one who judge by childish imagination. You are talking about your own argument which always has no reference instead own feeling

And you gave you any reference to your augments, that how can China build naval shipyards within the year lol

 

[antonius123]

lol Military want more safety/testing and fit systems than comparing to Civilian systems

so feasibility report is more important than others LOL, you're saying opposite LOL

Yes, it is done during the commissioning stage.

Do you understand "replicate"? that means you dont design from beginning/scratch.

If you replicate from the provenly safe Jiangnan shipyard, you don't need to study the new safety design, no need feasibility study for a new design.

And there are not single gantry cranes in shipyards but tens of them, so you will estimate how much takes time to fit all these gantry cranes

LOL. You obviously has no clue about the construction issue.

Doesn't matter if you have 1 or 10 cranes to install, you can install them all at the same time. Thats why China can build very complex building in only several months.

Thats why i said: if you have enough resource (manpower, tools).

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Yes, it is done during the commissioning stage.

LOL how will do it during it commissioning phase, do you have any brain??? lol

 

[antonius123]

LOL how will do it during it commissioning phase, do you have any brain??? lol

By testing the safety system of the shipyard. It is part of the commissioning. Commissioning means: after you install, you need to test if it run properly according to the design, of course safety system is one aspect to be tested too.

Yes I do have brain, do you? you have no clue except assumption and feeling, you think you understand but you dont; thats why you got difficulty to discern

Since you have no clue about project implementation, I give you one example how the safety test is part of commissioning:

Testing Engineers follow the overall project completion plan, store the approved drawings, test formats, test procedures, calibrated testing instruments, factory test reports, internal site test reports, witness test reports, safety testing clearance and prepare witness testing plans duly following the testing sequence in coordination with other site activities to avoid any conflict.

Testing & Commissioning – AG Power

www.agpowerme.com

Since you seem to have comprehension problem, let me repeat the clue: replicate (following existing design (including safety system)), installed/erected, and commissioning (test whether it run according to the design, of course including the safety system)

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Yes, it is done during the commissioning stage.

Do you understand "replicate"? that means you dont design from beginning/scratch.

If you replicate from the provenly safe Jiangnan shipyard, you don't need to study the new safety design, no need feasibility study for a new design

LOL. You obviously has no clue about the construction issue.

Doesn't matter if you have 1 or 10 cranes to install, you can install them all at the same time. Thats why China can build very complex building in only several months.

Thats why i said: if you have enough resource (manpower, tools).

For your estimated duration 3 month for for installing one guess for installing all these cranes 3 *10=30 months

and you have all clues about the construction of and shipyard lol

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

lol if China have little interest beyond its peripheral seas than why its China is building Aircraft carriers then??? for defense of its peripheral seas frigates and destroyers are enough for PLAN, China have interest beyond its peripheral seas to secure its trade and energy routes in pacific/Indian oceans

Aircraft carrier is vital to fleet because they can strike far against fleets that don't have aircraft carriers.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

By testing the safety system of the shipyard. It is part of the commissioning.

Yes I do have, you have no clue except assumption and feeling, thats why you got difficulty to discern

Since you have no clue about project implementation, I give you one example how the safety test is part of commissioning:

Testing Engineers follow the overall project completion plan, store the approved drawings, test formats, test procedures, calibrated testing instruments, factory test reports, internal site test reports, witness test reports, safety testing clearance and prepare witness testing plans duly following the testing sequence in coordination with other site activities to avoid any conflict.

Testing & Commissioning – AG Power

www.agpowerme.com

LOl and where this quote says these thing could be done during commissioning procedures lol???

 

[antonius123]

LOl and where this quote says these thing could be done during commissioning procedures lol???

Reading comprehension is another problem of you?

Read again:

Testing Engineers follow the overall project completion plan, store the approved drawings, test formats, test procedures, calibrated testing instruments, factory test reports, internal site test reports, witness test reports, safety testing clearance and prepare witness testing plans duly following the testing sequence in coordination with other site activities to avoid any conflict.

This sections is talking about testing & commissioning, and this quoted pharapgraph is talking about what to do during the process; and I've bold the "safety testing clearance" as part of the process.

LOL. your comprehension problem is over the limit

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Aircraft carrier is vital to fleet because they can strike far against fleets that don't have aircraft carriers.

Aircraft carriers are power projection machines can't be use in near the country of origin unless for maintenance, where your Navy is strongest, Does Japan or South Korea is out of reach of your destroyers and Frigates??? tell me its main mission to protect your interest in Pacific/Indian oceans???

 

[antonius123]

For your estimated duration 3 month for for installing one guess for installing all these cranes 3 *10=30 months

I've said: " you can install them all at the same time "; then why you multiply 3 month by 10 times = 30 months?

That simply means you install all the 10 at the same time! which will take just within 3 months for all of them.

LOL. Please stop asking someone's brain if you dont show you have one

and you have all clues about the construction of and shipyard lol

Obviously, much better than yours

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Reading comprehension is another problem of you?

Read again:

Testing Engineers follow the overall project completion plan, store the approved drawings, test formats, test procedures, calibrated testing instruments, factory test reports, internal site test reports, witness test reports, safety testing clearance and prepare witness testing plans duly following the testing sequence in coordination with other site activities to avoid any conflict.

This sections is talking about testing & commissioning, and this quoted pharapgraph is talking about what to do during the process; and I've bold the "safety testing clearance" as part of the process.

LOL. your comprehension problem is over the limit

And you your comprehension skills are under the limit lol how engineers can make drawing, test formats, test procedures etc etc during the commissioning and the instalment of Machinery???

 

[antonius123]

And you your comprehension skills are under the limit lol how engineers can make drawing, test formats, test procedures etc etc during the commissioning and the instalment of Machinery???

Who said engineer make a drawing during the commissioning?

LOL. Another demonstration of failure in reading comprehension

Look ... you have no clue because has no experience in project implementation, and furthermore you have poor reading comprehension. This is deadly combination for a .....

 

[White and Green with M/S]

I've said: " you can install them all at the same time "; then why you multiply 3 month by 10 times = 30 months?

That simply means you install all the 10 at the same time! which will take just within 3 months for all of them.

LOL. Please stop asking someone's brain if you dont show you have one

don't twist you words you said in your above post 3 months for one cranes and how they will install them within 3 months lol this not Lego or something that put Lego one by one all cranes will be done in 3 months this complex machinery instalments, it n my guess its takes 7-9 months to install all cranes at once and China has no unlimited budget and resource o built military infra as they want

Who said engineer make a drawing during the commissioning?

LOL. Another demonstration of failure in reading comprehension

Look ... you have no clue because has no experience in project implementation, and furthermore you have poor reading comprehension. This is deadly combination for a .....

lol you all clues and not showing any proofs of it only trolling baselessly lol

 

[antonius123]

don't twist you words you said in your above post 3 months for one cranes and how they will install them within 3 months lol this not Lego or something that put Lego one by one all cranes will be done in 3 months this complex machinery instalments, it n my guess its takes 7-9 months to install all cranes at once and China has no unlimited budget and resource o built military infra as they want

I've told you: by installing all the crane at the same time! What make it difficult for you to understand?

You dont put crane on another crane right? or do you think so?
Then why equate it with Lego?

Nope, installing 10 cranes at the same time wont exhaust China's resource and budget .... noooo... you underestimate China so childisly if it take say 20 persons to install 1 crane, then you will need 200 persons to install 10 cranes at the same time; will China run out of manpower? lol.