China agrees to host Indian Northern Army Commander ahead of PM Modi's visit

[Yeti]

NEW DELHI: Moving beyond its earlier emphasis on Jammu & Kashmir being a "disputed" area, China has agreed to host India's Northern Army Commander this year, a visit that went on hold five years ago after Beijing insisted on issuing stapled visa to the officer because J&K came under his command.

This understanding was reached at the recently concluded defence dialogue between both the countries, which took place just ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to China next month. At this meeting, the Indian side made a strong push on Beijing to demonstrate that the J&K stapled visa issue was now a matter of the past.

It was eventually agreed that both sides will exchange visits between commanders responsible for the Western Sector (India's Northern Command) of the Line of Actual Control this year. The head of the Lanzhou military region will undertake the reciprocal visit from the Chinese side. "When they have agreed to the visit, they obviously know what kind of visa to be issued," a senior official told ET on the question of whether China could still spring a surprise.


This exchange is a crucial element of the web of military confidence building measures both countries have gradually put in place to keep the LAC tranquil and for that reason, the Chinese decision in 2010 caught New Delhi off guard. It also raised levels of public anger against China as its view on J&K endorsed the long-held Pakistan position.


China has continued to issue stapled visas to residents of Arunachal Pradesh because it considers the state to be a disputed areas between India and China. However, in J&K, India's principal dispute is with Pakistan and the stapled visa row stoked sentiments that derailed the bilateral relationship for over a year with India cancelling any kind of defence exchange. India also conveyed through diplomatic channels that it too could take a range of reciprocal measures which could embarrass China, particularly if that is related to the Tibet Autonomous Region.


After considerable back and forth, the matter inched towards a resolution in April 2011 when former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visited China for the BRICS summit. At that meet, both sides agreed to resume defence exchange and let general officers just below the rung of the Army Commander. Subsequently, the Eastern Army Commander visited China last year, and so did then Army chief Gen Bikram Singh. However, the political question around the Northern Army Commander was still nagging issue as the matter got delayed with time, which is why, sources said, the Indian side decided to insist on the visit at this meeting.

China agrees to host Indian Northern Army Commander ahead of PM Modi's visit - The Economic Times

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Chinese are known to back track of their commitments. I am sure they will cause huge embarrassment to PM Modi by doing something silly just before or during his visit.

 

[Yeti]

Chinese are known to back track of their commitments. I am sure they will cause huge embarrassment to PM Modi by doing something silly just before or during his visit.

They are keen to work with Modi and improve ties, plus we can also do the same in respect to Tibet which is very sensitive to them. I think the Modi visit is going to be a big game changer in Indo-China relations.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

They are keen to work with Modi and improve ties, plus we can also do the same in respect to Tibet which is very sensitive to them. I think the Modi visit is going to be a big game changer in Indo-China relations.

I do hope that but past experiences are not supportive of that... PLA intruding into Indian territory when Xi was in India. Image the kind of show they are going to show when Modi will be in their land.

 

[Yeti]

China’s Xi to create home town bonhomie with PM Modi | The Indian Express

 

[Kinetic]

What a big slap!!!! 180 degree turnaround!!!

 

[Yeti]

I do hope that but past experiences are not supportive of that... PLA intruding into Indian territory when Xi was in India. Image the kind of show they are going to show when Modi will be in their land.

Yes that was a tactical ploy by the PLA but it ended up being a PR disaster, see we in India think such actions are directed to India for a external reason but there is also a internal matter in China that we are not aware about. The corruption scandals for example high level security officials being charged and expelled etc. India should invest more time and effort understanding the dynamics at play in China as information is power.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Yes that was a tactical ploy by the PLA but it ended up being a PR disaster, see we in India think such actions are directed to India for a external reason but there is also a internal matter in China that we are not aware about. The corruption scandals for example high level security officials being charged and expelled etc. India should invest more time and effort understanding the dynamics at play in China as information is power.

But it does indicate the PLA is not in control of CCP and causes huge set of problems for Modi government and provide cannon to congress party to stall the parliament.
I am always of the view both China and India together can change the history of the world. They have so much to do together and both the nations have the strongest leaders of their time to take hard decision to remove the mistrust and get out of the past and lead the nations into the future.

 

[Genesis]

They are keen to work with Modi and improve ties, plus we can also do the same in respect to Tibet which is very sensitive to them. I think the Modi visit is going to be a big game changer in Indo-China relations.

already did, you host the slave owner Lama in your land. Either way, it's not a big deal, have you noticed all the people that burned themselves are of the elite ruling class of decades past. As it turns out, economic development is popular in Tibet, they may have complains, who doesn't, but overall it is positive.

I mean, we don't even put Chinese leader's portraits in our homes, but their older generation does, because we really did give them freedom, land, and more.

Yes that was a tactical ploy by the PLA but it ended up being a PR disaster, see we in India think such actions are directed to India for a external reason but there is also a internal matter in China that we are not aware about. The corruption scandals for example high level security officials being charged and expelled etc. India should invest more time and effort understanding the dynamics at play in China as information is power.

The PLA listens to the civilian government, now how much they listen, that depends, like in any country. After all the civilian head of government is not a soldier himself and have not spent decades in a military setting nor been to college for military purposes.

To suggest the PLA can act independently is foolish, because Chinese soldiers have options, and when you have options, you tend to not follow the orders who shouldn't give them. We had the warlord era before, and the root cause of it is that the warlord provided livelihood to these men and they would and must follow them. China today is vastly different and thus, that problem doesn't exist.

Though there will obviously be arguments on how PLA must conduct itself, strategies, reforms and more, Xi however, does have the final say.

But it does indicate the PLA is not in control of CCP and causes huge set of problems for Modi government and provide cannon to congress party to stall the parliament.
I am always of the view both China and India together can change the history of the world. They have so much to do together and both the nations have the strongest leaders of their time to take hard decision to remove the mistrust and get out of the past and lead the nations into the future.

This is just my view, and to be honest, view of a few Chinese as well. India hosting the Dalai Lama, why would you do that?

To me, it seems like Nehru sees India as the superior nation and more of a factor in the developing world than China. Obviously there are other reasons I say this, the Zhou and Nehru documentary I saw, to go with a few articles, most of Indian, Chinese, and Western sources does suggest Nehru thinks of India as the leader of the developing world.

That may very well have been true at the start. I feel this, at the very least, gives hesitation to the Indian side on certain things.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

This is just my view, and to be honest, view of a few Chinese as well. India hosting the Dalai Lama, why would you do that?

We are giving ample space to the Kashmiri separatist as well who are hell bound in snatching Kashmir from India...So cant help, its India;s nature to help everyone and let everyone to enter India. Cant help it...
Anyways, as per chinese government, Dalai Lama is no more powerful, then why to get scared from him, let an old man live in his own world. China is not a small country to be scared of a 80 year old man.

 

[Yeti]

@Genesis his holiness the Dalai Lama is welcome in the land of dharma, I am no fan of Nehru but there is much we do not know that goes in the CCP.

Former Chinese security chief arrested on corruption charges - World Socialist Web Site

@Genesis have of what you said is pure rubbish, what freedom? the cultural revolution caused mass famine and untold misery. Even today farmers have their land taken and turned into ghost cities and if they complain they are beaten like dogs is that your freedom?

But it does indicate the PLA is not in control of CCP and causes huge set of problems for Modi government and provide cannon to congress party to stall the parliament.
I am always of the view both China and India together can change the history of the world. They have so much to do together and both the nations have the strongest leaders of their time to take hard decision to remove the mistrust and get out of the past and lead the nations into the future.

The Chinese members like to say the same thing that ultimately the decision lies with Xi and that might be true but does anyone know the true workings in the CCP? there is much secrecy and it is not transparent as Chinese members like to inform us.

 

[SrNair]

This is Narendra Modi not Manmohan Singh.
If they look for something like that we will return the same favour ec
even if it is based on Tibet.
Last time when Xi visited PLA did thesame trickand backfired severly when we send 3 battalion additionally.

Chinese are known to back track of their commitments. I am sure they will cause huge embarrassment to PM Modi by doing something silly just before or during his visit.

 

[Yeti]

This is Narendra Modi not Manmohan Singh.
If they look for something like that we will return the same favour ec
even if it is based on Tibet.
Last time when Xi visited PLA did thesame trickand backfired severly when we send 3 battalion additionally.

And they know it themselves that India is under a new leadership and a new era as do our western neighbours, we have Doval now as our security chief who has also visited China. With Doval there I feel safer than ever.

 

[Genesis]

@Genesis his holiness the Dalai Lama is welcome in the land of dharma, I am no fan of Nehru but there is much we do not know that goes in the CCP.

Former Chinese security chief arrested on corruption charges - World Socialist Web Site


@Genesis have of what you said is pure rubbish, what freedom? the cultural revolution caused mass famine and untold misery. Even today farmers have their land taken and turned into ghost cities and if they complain they are beaten like dogs is that your freedom?

See this, exactly what I'm talking about. If that's what you think, that's what you think. I'll get over it.

We are giving ample space to the Kashmiri separatist as well who are hell bound in snatching Kashmir from India...So cant help, its India;s nature to help everyone and let everyone to enter India. Cant help it...
Anyways, as per chinese government, Dalai Lama is no more powerful, then why to get scared from him, let an old man live in his own world. China is not a small country to be scared of a 80 year old man.

Allow him to live there sure, anyone can do that, but the US didn't let the Shah create a mini Iran in US. What India is doing is a direct challenge to China's sovereignty, however miniscule it is, isn't really the point.

 

[Yeti]

@Genesis by all due respect you to do not know the inner workings of the CCP, you might have a idea but you do not know for sure and anyone who says they do I would highly doubt their word.