China again bails out Pakistan to pay Saudi debt

[Meengla]

That argumant can be extended to all countries and is not unique. Why bash Americans when not all voted Trump [indeed nearly 50% did not] and or why bash Indiabs when Modi is not voted in by every Indian. A percentage of gross population of India voted. Out of that another percentage voted for Modi. So why not start splitting hairs for each country.

Or the Arabs something special, like we are humans and they are class above?

Even Arab rulers had helped Pakistan a lot. Pakistan's nuclear problem itself, the anti-Soviet war in the 1980s, and many times bailing out Pakistan when Pakistan was in dire straits. To compare that with India??!!! And what of Trump?? The United States had been Pakistan's biggest benefactor when Pakistan was a fledgling country and just because there is a anti-China alliance being made where Pakistan is refusing to join, doesn't mean Pakistan never benefited from the USA. Even now the trade with USA feeds untold numbers of Pakistanis!!

You and this Khilji guy are trying to twist my words! Never have I advocated Pakistan join some Arab alliance. Pakistan simply can't and shouldn't. But I will also not stand for a blanket condemnation of hundreds of millions of people who often are themselves disenfranchised and even then their rulers had helped Pakistan in meaningful ways throughout Pakistan's history.

Extremist positions taken by Pakistan--including unjustifiably bashing hundreds of millions of Arabs--is going to lead to consequences like the expulsion of millions of Pakistanis from the Middle East. Thank God that Pakistan's planner know that and will continue their balanced policies despite the global alliances changing.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Even Arab rulers had helped Pakistan a lot

That was the Libyans actually. The funded most of the cost at the critical point.

many times bailing out Pakistan

If you want I we can open another thread and I can show you Gulf Arabs helped India directly or indirectly India far more than Pakistan. Possibly by a factor of three times. Give man some charity and he will be broke again by weekend. Give him a job and he will learn to stand on his feet. Furthermore there is more pride with job then living on baksheesh.

Find out how many Indian workers have swamped GCC.

 

[Behram Khilji]

Even Arab rulers had helped Pakistan a lot. Pakistan's nuclear problem itself, the anti-Soviet war in the 1980s, and many times bailing out Pakistan when Pakistan was in dire straits. To compare that with India??!!! And what of Trump?? The United States had been Pakistan's biggest benefactor when Pakistan was a fledgling country and just because there is a anti-China alliance being made where Pakistan is refusing to join, doesn't mean Pakistan never benefited from the USA. Even now the trade with USA feeds untold numbers of Pakistanis!!

You and this Khilji guy are trying to twist my words! Never have I advocated Pakistan join some Arab alliance. Pakistan simply can't and shouldn't. But I will also not stand for a blanket condemnation of hundreds of millions of people who often are themselves disenfranchised and even then their rulers had helped Pakistan in meaningful ways throughout Pakistan's history.

Extremist positions taken by Pakistan--including unjustifiably bashing hundreds of millions of Arabs--is going to lead to consequences like the expulsion of millions of Pakistanis from the Middle East. Thank God that Pakistan's planner know that and will continue their balanced policies despite the global alliances changing.

Well you are an Arab lover, people like you have less love for the soil you hail from.

We are not like you, we don’t bow to no one, we call spade a spade, no sugar coating words here.

Pakistan is primary everything else doesn’t matter.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Can we please call a Dial-e-Alim and get his 'bayan' on -

• exchanging money from a brotherly, Muslim, Ummah power, custodian of the holy places
• for a interest [?] loan from a Muslim bashing, Pork eating, Godless communists?

Verily Allah knows best but I am just wndering what is the Islamic way of doing this? Pakisatan is suposed to be putatively a "Islamic Republic" right? Or is that just a scam?

Funny how the "Ummah Chummahs" are always trying to prove that Pakistanis are not good Muslims but stay sush in criticising the saudis and other gulfis for being pro-idol worshipping- indians.............

PS WHAT you told us in 2010 has now come true. In fact you are the REAL Mullah who can see in to the future.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

PS WHAT you told us in 2010 has now come true. In fact you are the REAL Mullah who can see in to the future.

Thanks for noting that I said so much a decade ago and got flak left, right and centre. Today we see everything being exposed.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

It is sad to see Pakistanis here bashing 'Arabs' who number in hundreds of millions and their rulers don't always represent them. And even Arab rulers had often helped Pakistan in the past. Don't paint the whole picture with one stroke!

As I see it, the changing Arab stances toward Pakistan is because Pakistan is rightly unable to deliver to the GCC alliance the kind of support which would alienate Iran. And Iran has been rightly distrustful of Pakistan because of the decades old alliances with Washington and Riyadh.

The best hope for Pakistan is the stupid rulers of KSA and Iran stop their pathetic regional rivalry which is not only making Pakistan's choices harder but also allowing non-regional players to exploit the fears of these countries. And my hope is the Biden presidency would bring some calm back to the region. Iran and KSA were not always in antagonism even sometimes after the 1979 Iranian revolution.

WHICH arab rulers helped Pakistan and our nuclear program? I have often heard this said but can never find any evidence of this. Can you provide genuine and credible evidence for your claims?

Thanks for noting that I said so much a decade ago and got flak left, right and centre. Today we see everything being exposed.

WELL DONE Bro!

PS You should now change your name to Pir IndusWallah for making such accurate predictions..............

 

[Yankee-stani]

Anything that gets us out of the arms of the GCC is a good start

 

[Inception-06]

hindu raj is going to help arab and Israeli brothers .

You are right in this case at this moment.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You might remember my thread about these 'desert Banglas' whose fortunes changed overnight because of the oil. Also the Arabs were responsible partly for crashing the Ottoman Empire. Ibn Saud sided with the British as did Sherif of Mecca whose lineage today rules the truncated Trans-Jordan.

My issue never was with Arabs per se. North African Arabs including Egyptians or Levantines [Lebanon, Syria] are differant species. It is these arrogant, oil drinking Gulf Arabs that were the issue.

Here a blast from the past -

Saudia Arabia - before the oil.

Mention oil and KSA comes to mind. Mention Saudia Arabia and petrodollars come to mind. So ever wondered what was KSA like before oil gushed to make the kingdom rich? Maybe @Saif al-Arab can kick of with some pictures and insight into life in KSA before black gold? Old Jeddah Banu Yam...

defence.pk

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

What this whole episode has taught us is that Islam is NOT a unifying force between nations. The Arabs can never be true allies of Pakistan. The ONLY TRUE brothers and sisters Pakistan has are the Chinese and to some extent the Turks too. That's it. NOBODY else.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

WHICH arab rulers helped Pakistan and our nuclear program?

This is one of those things that has now become a accepted fact in Pakistan. The truth is it was Gadafi who gave money to Bhutto at the critical point which helped the nuke project take off. In fact cash laden PIA planes were taking off from Tripoli in Libya to Rome and then onward to Islamabad in mid 1970s [if you want more info tap "Project 706:the Islamic bomb on youtube]. Gaddafi of course got the promise from Bhutto that he would get the gooddies when needed. Which of course Pakistan rightly cheated out although that s-o-b Qadeer then sectretly set up his nuke bazaar and give some centrifuges to Libya who then grassed on Pakistan.

 

[Behram Khilji]

What this whole episode has taught us is that Islam is NOT a unifying force between nations. The Arabs can never be true allies of Pakistan. The ONLY TRUE brothers and sisters Pakistan has are the Chinese and to some extent the Turks too. That's it. NOBODY else.

Pakistanis are dumb, they only need to look at history how Arabs have stabbed the ottomans & much before that.

A kafir Khilji is more important to me then a Muslim Arab, at least I know he is a kafir but shares the same blood, values, culture.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Even Arab rulers had helped Pakistan a lot. Pakistan's nuclear problem itself, the anti-Soviet war in the 1980s, and many times bailing out Pakistan when Pakistan was in dire straits.

Arabs didn't help us out of the goodness of their heart, they get to be under our nuclear umbrella for doing so. Every action has a consequence, by meddling in our internal politics and openly supporting our main enemy they thread on dangerous waters. Dependency on Arab countries is dangerous for Pakistan and Pakistan should slowly distance itself from them. I don't advocate for denouncing them but to gradually distance ourselves from them.

 

[Behram Khilji]

Arabs didn't help us out of the goodness of their heart, they get to be under our nuclear umbrella for doing so. Every action has a consequence, by meddling in our internal politics and openly support our main enemy they thread on dangerous waters. Dependency on Arab countries is dangerous for Pakistan and Pakistan should slowly distance itself from them. I don't advocate for denouncing them but to gradually distance ourselves from them.

Don’t worry that trend has been going strong for a while, we will use every opportunity to hurt them, from Syria, Yemen & any other place that comes along.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Pakistanis are dumb, they only need to look at history how Arabs have stabbed the ottomans & much before that.

A kafir Khilji is more important to me then a Muslim Arab, at least I know he is a kafir but shares the same blood, values, culture.

Arabs aren't innocent but neither is the Ottoman Empire. I see so many Pakistanis turning a blind eye on the atrocities committed by the Ottoman Empire. Ottoman Empire deserved what it got in the end.