China accuses US of damaging regional stability with Japan defense radar

[AgentOrange]

Lol,those 2 heaps of rock are the senkaku islands.I think it would be best for all if a tsunami just sunk the whole thing.

Sometimes I'm inclined to agree with you. It would allow both sides to save face and remove, IMO, an idiotic obstacle to better relations.

China has no intention to play the policeman. But it will drive the US out of the region, one way or another. Currently, time is not ripe for it.

Bro, I would also put forth that China isn't necessarily trying to drive the US completely out of Asia. That's impossible short of full blown warfare and then a prohibitively expensive chain of Chinese bases overseas should China emerge victorious. Also, freedom of navigation is essential to China and the US, who are both large trading nations. In this respect, I believe China and the US can actually partner up in the future to guarantee freedom of the seas if/when the US recognizes China's core interests.

IMO, China is trying to build its military might to the point where any US defence treaties with her allies, legal obligation or no, would be seriously reconsidered in the event of a conflict between China and an American ally. China merely has to be able to inflict unacceptable (non-nuclear) damage on the US and/or US forces. This ability by itself will force American allies and non-allied Asian nations to pause and consider Chinese interests in any future political or strategic activities. Historically, China never established overseas bases either. Even the island chain plan (i.e. 2nd island chain) isn't so much an establishment of a no-go area but a zone where China can definitively defeat an opponent were China to come under attack.

China isn't an imperial power in that sense - China merely wishes that its interests are seriously considered when peripheral nations play ball.

 

[GR!FF!N]

China is currently testing its ground-based midcourse missile defence system and once its fully deployed in China, then it will be deployed to other areas.

explain "Other Areas" please.

second,what would be China's lower tiers of Ballistic Missile Defence??never heard a country goes for Midcourse Interception first,as known approach is making Endo and Exo Atmospheric Interceptor first.

 

[Lure]

This only proves one thing.

Taiwan is a lost cause for US now and the frontier became Japan.

China has a very active missile program. Decision makers in Pentagon doing everything to counter balance it.

Land-Based missiles are cheaper than plane and has no pilot. With robust telecommunication systems they are actually more useful than planes.

However telecommunications is not always robust, especially in war time.

 

[mike2000]

That guy is delusional and naive，actually I can't see China has any way to drive USA out of ASIA unless US suddenly collapsed and lose its power.He may think because China is innocent and US is evil，so evil will be somehow beaten by the good one like things always happend in fairytales.Whatever it's really childish and stupid.I personally think he is a child.

Exactly, the U.S is an Asian power, and its there to stay, whether China/Russia or any other country like it or not.
Except if there is a revolution in Asia, but i dont see that happening this century, since most Asians still want the U.S to not only stay but expand its presence.

 

[Aepsilons]

Lol,those 2 heaps of rock are the senkaku islands.I think it would be best for all if a tsunami just sunk the whole thing.

I am tempted to agree with this. As it would undoubtedly lead to a reduction in Sino-Japanese friction.

Because of this incident, the long awaited for 2008 East China Sea Consensus, that laid out the framework , plan for a China-Japan Joint Development of the Chunxiao Natural Gas Field was put on hold, unfortunately. When the rhetoric calms down, and when both sides are ready, this Joint Development Project (which has been put on hold since 2012) will get back on track. And this will benefit both Japan and China.

I've attached a picture that illustrates where the Chunxiao Natural Gas Field is at, do note our overlapping claims.

 

[TaiShang]

Bro, I would also put forth that China isn't necessarily tryingmaking to drive the US completely out of Asia. That's impossible short of full blown warfare and then a prohibitively expensive chain of Chinese bases overseas should China emerge victorious. Also, freedom of navigation is essential to China and the US, who are both large trading nations. In this respect, I believe China and the US can actually partner up in the future to guarantee freedom of the seas if/when the US recognizes China's core interests.

Very well said, indeed. By drive, I mean, "militarily neutralize" the US. By "militarily neutralize," I mean making a military encirclement of China (which is the entire point of the pivot) way too costly for the US, if that has already not happened.

Otherwise, I am all for good relations with the US, so long as US respects China's sovereignty and treats and be treated as equal partners.

On the issues of the disputed islands with Japan, I would just like to see a peaceful solution, including shelving the issue as it stands today for later generations to handle. In my opinion, Japan is the most important nation for China and a China-Japan rapprochement will be a catalizer for peace in the region.

"That" @northeast guy has been noted for his disrespectful tone, by the way.

I am tempted to agree with this. As it would undoubtedly lead to a reduction in Sino-Japanese friction.

Because of this incident, the long awaited for 2008 East China Sea Consensus, that laid out the framework , plan for a China-Japan Joint Development of the Chunxiao Natural Gas Field was put on hold, unfortunately. When the rhetoric calms down, and when both sides are ready, this Joint Development Project (which has been put on hold since 2012) will get back on track. And this will benefit both Japan and China.

I've attached a picture that illustrates where the Chunxiao Natural Gas Field is at, do note our overlapping claims.

I guess, the flared-up dispute also negatively effected the trilateral FTA talks, the largest victim in the whole drama perhaps.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Why don't China make similar move too?

Build anti-missiles in Caribbean, Middle East, and Africa too?

Certainly PLA generals want to reciprocate US with similar installation in Cuba or any Latinos countries that strategically important, the fact is China has no conditions to reach the stage to play tilt for tat otherwise US wouldn't dare to make such move. 走长路 不能性急

 

[Aepsilons]

I guess, the flared-up dispute also negatively effected the trilateral FTA talks, the largest victim in the whole drama, I guess.

One thing that is apparent from this whole mess is that both sides are sensitive whenever it regards to national territory. The administration of Hatoyama-Sensei , as well as his predecessors, Mori-Sensei and Koizumi Sensei both were active in the China-Japan cooperation in East China Sea, which culminated in the Consensus Agreement in 2008. I think the mood in Japan now is to work with China. And its good to see that Beijing is receptive to it. Its part of the business of nations, I guess, and learning to work and adapt with each other.

Realistically, an FTA with China would probably manifest later on. But it will manifest. Within a decade's time, is my prediction.

Certainly PLA generals want to reciprocate US with similar installation in Cuba or any Latinos countries that strategically important, the fact is China has no conditions to reach the stage to play tilt for tat otherwise US wouldn't dare to make such move. 走长路 不能性急

Throughout China's history, she has never been an offshore imperial power. She, as a classical state, has always been situated on rivers or anything near the coast, where farmland can be nurtured, and where ports for fishing can be established. She developed into the continental power that she is based on this basic principles, and you can see that all the major cities in China , all the major population centers are built near rivers, where trade can take place. In history, we never see the Chinese lauching major expeditionary forces to foreign lands out of their own will. Even when China's economy surpasses that of the United States' and the European Union, and even when her military becomes a potent force, I don't see the Chinese Military being sent abroad to conquer new lands, but more so, will be deployed to protect its merchant fleet and trade interests. They have always been a defensive force, never the ones that initiates offensives (with some exceptions, of course).

 

[Huan]

I am tempted to agree with this. As it would undoubtedly lead to a reduction in Sino-Japanese friction.

Because of this incident, the long awaited for 2008 East China Sea Consensus, that laid out the framework , plan for a China-Japan Joint Development of the Chunxiao Natural Gas Field was put on hold, unfortunately. When the rhetoric calms down, and when both sides are ready, this Joint Development Project (which has been put on hold since 2012) will get back on track. And this will benefit both Japan and China.

I've attached a picture that illustrates where the Chunxiao Natural Gas Field is at, do note our overlapping claims.

Japan's ADIZ in that picture looks really insane. It is literally blocking off China from the Pacific Ocean. It is like a coastal blockade against China.

 

[C130]

China should know better this is targeted against their pet North Korea.

Certainly PLA generals want to reciprocate US with similar installation in Cuba or any Latinos countries that strategically important, the fact is China has no conditions to reach the stage to play tilt for tat otherwise US wouldn't dare to make such move. 走长路 不能性急

do you know how dumb and wasteful that would be??
what would the target be?
would the U.S ever launch missiles at Cuba or Latin America??
all our ICBMs would be heading over the Arctic lol
a missile shield just makes sense in the Pacific to protect our allies, can't say the same for Cuba or despots in South America.

 

[TaiShang]

Throughout China's history, she has never been an offshore imperial power. She, as a classical state, has always been situated on rivers or anything near the coast, where farmland can be nurtured, and where ports for fishing can be established. She developed into the continental power that she is based on this basic principles, and you can see that all the major cities in China , all the major population centers are built near rivers, where trade can take place. In history, we never see the Chinese lauching major expeditionary forces to foreign lands out of their own will. Even when China's economy surpasses that of the United States' and the European Union, and even when her military becomes a potent force, I don't see the Chinese Military being sent abroad to conquer new lands, but more so, will be deployed to protect its merchant fleet and trade interests. They have always been a defensive force, never the ones that initiates offensives (with some exceptions, of course).

I guess, with the on-going development of the Chinese Navy, China is getting rid of the classic territorial power mindset, although, as you have rightly put, this will hardly translate into imperial expansionism.

There is already a huge scholarship in China on the issue of transition from territorial to sea-land power status. With China so much intertwined into the world economy, a land-power mindset would be rather backward.

Like the US, I should add, China has to fully secure its immediate neighborhood and then become a sea-power although, with its huge landmass and only a single front to open waters, it would still not be a pure sea power.

 

[Aepsilons]

Japan's ADIZ in that picture looks really insane. It is literally blocking off China from the Pacific Ocean. It is like a coastal blockade against China.

That map is just an outline of the ADIZ and the EEZ of Japan's and how it compares with China's when juxtaposed. One has to look further, deeper, and see that China and Japan have ironed out issues such as resources sharing and resources-understanding. This was ironed out in 1997 when China and Japan signed a fisheries agreement that had effectively defined areas where both China and Japan can fish.

This is the reason why when Chinese fishing boats arrive to Japanese waters, we allow them to fish in specified areas because they have been already demarcated by the 1997 Fisheries Agreement. We also have the same with South Korea and Taiwan, thus, you rarely see or hear of any fishing fleet exigencies with Japan Coast Guard.

Please refer to this ,

Anyways, despite the political differences between Beijing and Tokyo over the Senkakus/ Diaoyutai , there is an established and effective working platform how Chinese and Japanese Maritime Agencies work by. There are also very fluid inter-governmental channels that both communicate with. This is the reason why China and Japan's bilateral trade is THE LARGEST in the entire Asian Region. This year it will exceed $320 Billion.

These graphs , remember, are just graphs. There is freedom of navigation of Japanese , Chinese ships to this day. And we, as two ancient trading partners, both ancient maritime nations, will always realize this. We've fished with each other for over 2000 years. We'll be fishing with each other for 10,000 more years.

 

[Jlaw]

Lol,those 2 heaps of rock are the senkaku islands.I think it would be best for all if a tsunami just sunk the whole thing.

China can test it's nuke warhead on the 'rock', dispute resolved

Very well said, indeed. By drive, I mean, "militarily neutralize" the US. By "militarily neutralize," I mean making a military encirclement of China (which is the entire point of the pivot) way too costly for the US, if that has already not happened.

Otherwise, I am all for good relations with the US, so long as US respects China's sovereignty and treats and be treated as equal partners.

On the issues of the disputed islands with Japan, I would just like to see a peaceful solution, including shelving the issue as it stands today for later generations to handle. In my opinion, Japan is the most important nation for China and a China-Japan rapprochement will be a catalizer for peace in the region.

"That" @northeast guy has been noted for his disrespectful tone, by the way.



I .

, that ain't happening.

 

[terranMarine]

China can test it's nuke warhead on the 'rock', dispute resolved

I wonder how Taiwanese would feel considering the proximity of the detonation

 

[zeronet]

This huge stuff is just to monitor missile launch at peaceful time I believe, its so easy to be destroied once war breaks out. So, not for missile defence.