Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[cirr]

in chinese forums they are claiming 2016 is also out now

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in，not out。

2016 has been assembled and is undergoing indoor tests。

2017 and 2018 are also on the assembly line。

In short，PLAAF is going to receive J-20s starting in 2016 for training purposes。

 

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Chengdu J-20 is superior to F-35 in eight important ways

‘The End of History’: 25 Years On | The Diplomat

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My text version in case I want to expand the list in the future.

Someone needs to inform Gen. Mike Hostage that the Chinese Chengdu J-20 is superior to the F-35.

1. Chengdu J-20 can supercruise. Lockheed Martin F-35 cannot.

2. Chengdu J-20 has all-aspect stealth. F-35 does not. F-35 has bulges above the left air intake for the gun turret, along the wing root, and the underside. The bulges are not stealthy and run counter to the flat facets or continuous curvature of stealth aircraft design.

3. Chengdu J-20 is a larger plane with a larger radar, which gives it greater detection range.

4. Chengdu J-20 has a larger weapon payload to carry more air-to-air missiles than F-35.

5. Chengdu J-20 is more maneuverable (about 9G). F-35 can only maneuver around 5G.

6. Chengdu J-20 has a combat radius of about 1,200 miles. F-35 has a short combat radius of about 500 miles.

7. Chengdu J-20 has twin engines. If one fails, the J-20 keeps flying. The F-35 only has one engine. If the F-35 engine fails, the F-35 jet drops into the sea.

8. The expected service ceiling for the Chengdu J-20 is about 66,000 feet. The service ceiling for the F-35 is 60,000 feet. This means the J-20 will use its look-down shoot-down radar on the F-35. Also, the J-20's missiles will travel further as it glides down towards the F-35. Conversely, the F-35 missiles will have shorter range as it climbs against gravity in an attempt to reach the J-20.

 

[siegecrossbow]

in chinese forums they are claiming 2016 is also out now

CHEERS

I have yet to seen conclusive proof (photographic evidence) of this, unfortunately.

 

[gambit]

Chengdu J-20 is superior to F-35 in eight important ways

The J-20 is still more of an R/D project than it is for an actual combat deployable platform.

Someone needs to inform Gen. Mike Hostage that the Chinese Chengdu J-20 is superior to the F-35.

General Hostage is a four-star officer.

Civilian terms for military experience - Hands on Banking

O7 and above (Brigadier General, Major General, Lieutenant General, General, Rear Admiral, Vice Admiral, Admiral)

Highest positions within a company, such as the President, Senior Director, Chairman of the Board, Managing Director

Air Combat Command, of which he is combatant commander, would be the equivalent of a Fortune 100 company.

Someone like Hostage would begin his/her career as a fighter pilot, which immediately put him far above you in many ways, then as element lead, be some kind of squadron specialist like how Hostage was a squadron's weapons officer, a staff position at the Pentagon, squadron commander as the first major combatant commander slot, base commander which would be like the mayor of a medium Western city, then a wing commander aka 'wing king' which would be the equivalent of a Fortune 500 company, then retired and hired as a CEO of such a large company.

Throughout Hostage's career, he had access to ultra sensitive information, from political to technical, and that he must make serious decisions, gave in-depth opinions, and advised heads of states and high ranking diplomats of different countries.

You have...???

1. Chengdu J-20 can supercruise. Lockheed Martin F-35 cannot.

Plenty of highly desirable fighters have capabilities that are less, not inferior, than competitors, and yet can still accomplish great things. Take the F-16, for example. China have yet to produce something half as good.

2. Chengdu J-20 has all-aspect stealth. F-35 does not. F-35 has bulges above the left air intake for the gun turret, along the wing root, and the underside. The bulges are not stealthy and run counter to the flat facets or continuous curvature of stealth aircraft design.

This is an abuse of technical information, and I have shown you to be wrong before. But if you want to go there, then the J-20's canards is less obedient to rule 1 of low radar observable design: Control of QUANTITY of radiators.

3. Chengdu J-20 is a larger plane with a larger radar, which gives it greater detection range.

And give itself away sooner.

4. Chengdu J-20 has a larger weapon payload to carry more air-to-air missiles than F-35.

Which does not make the J-20 'superior'.

5. Chengdu J-20 is more maneuverable (about 9G). F-35 can only maneuver around 5G.

This is where your ignorance and no experience continues to make people like me laugh. In this day and age of fly-by-wire flight control system, g-limit is EQUALLY governed by software as it is by physical design. The F-35's design is fully capable of pulling 9g and test pilot Lt. Col. Hank Griffith have taken an F-35A to that limit. Its current g-limit is due to continuous development. Further, it is well known in military aviation that American air forces routinely understate their weapons' capabilities. As for the J-20, there is nothing outside of baseless speculation and fanboy-ism that the J-20 can pull 9g.

Finally, the J-20's have a larger boattail drag than the F-35 and F-22. Single engine fighter have lower boattail drag factor. The F-22's have a superior twin-engine set up -- no gaps between engines -- compare to the J-20. How about the probability that once the F-35 and J-20 are fully developed, the F-35 will be more maneuverable ?

6. Chengdu J-20 has a combat radius of about 1,200 miles. F-35 has a short combat radius of about 500 miles.

Then might as well compare the J-20 to a helo, if that make you happy.

The general rule is combat radius is 1/3 of maximum range. The F-35 is supposed to be a multi-role and multi-mission aircraft and as such, its SEVERAL combat radius will be governed by those roles. Its combat radius is similar to the much desirable F-16, of which your China have yet to produce something equal.

7. Chengdu J-20 has twin engines. If one fails, the J-20 keeps flying. The F-35 only has one engine. If the F-35 engine fails, the F-35 jet drops into the sea.

This criticism have been debunked decades ago. You really think China designed the J-20 around this ?

8. The expected service ceiling for the Chengdu J-20 is about 66,000 feet. The service ceiling for the F-35 is 60,000 feet. This means the J-20 will use its look-down shoot-down radar on the F-35. Also, the J-20's missiles will travel further as it glides down towards the F-35. Conversely, the F-35 missiles will have shorter range as it climbs against gravity in an attempt to reach the J-20.

This is as laughable as the previous criticisms about the F-35.

Time to altitude take time away to distance. Simply put, if I want to reach my opponent ASAP, there is a balance I must have between intercept altitude and intercept distance. It is ridiculous -- in the manner of ignorant fanboys -- to assume that every time the J-20 take off, assuming the jet will be deployable in the first place, that the J-20 pilots will go for maximum altitude.

I hope the PLA is infested with people like you.

 

[DrSomnath999]

j20 can supercruise meanwhile f35 cant
what crap!!


current WS 10 engine can supercruise , if it's true then thats a news to me

if F35 is so inferior why did
J20 copied EOTs of F35

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[Beidou2020]

Chengdu J-20 is superior to F-35 in eight important ways

‘The End of History’: 25 Years On | The Diplomat

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My text version in case I want to expand the list in the future.

Someone needs to inform Gen. Mike Hostage that the Chinese Chengdu J-20 is superior to the F-35.

1. Chengdu J-20 can supercruise. Lockheed Martin F-35 cannot.

2. Chengdu J-20 has all-aspect stealth. F-35 does not. F-35 has bulges above the left air intake for the gun turret, along the wing root, and the underside. The bulges are not stealthy and run counter to the flat facets or continuous curvature of stealth aircraft design.

3. Chengdu J-20 is a larger plane with a larger radar, which gives it greater detection range.

4. Chengdu J-20 has a larger weapon payload to carry more air-to-air missiles than F-35.

5. Chengdu J-20 is more maneuverable (about 9G). F-35 can only maneuver around 5G.

6. Chengdu J-20 has a combat radius of about 1,200 miles. F-35 has a short combat radius of about 500 miles.

7. Chengdu J-20 has twin engines. If one fails, the J-20 keeps flying. The F-35 only has one engine. If the F-35 engine fails, the F-35 jet drops into the sea.

8. The expected service ceiling for the Chengdu J-20 is about 66,000 feet. The service ceiling for the F-35 is 60,000 feet. This means the J-20 will use its look-down shoot-down radar on the F-35. Also, the J-20's missiles will travel further as it glides down towards the F-35. Conversely, the F-35 missiles will have shorter range as it climbs against gravity in an attempt to reach the J-20.

F-35 has been rubbished by guys like Richard Fisher, Carlo Kopp and many others for years.

J-20 is vastly superior to the F-35, even the J-31 is better than the F-35.

J-20 only true rival is the F-22. Even the F-22 has major issues which has given doubts as to whether it is as good as people make it out to be.

China has the money to mass produce the J-20 in great numbers and once the J-20 is in service, no one will touch the PLAAF in Asia.

 

[longlong]

Main weapon bay is wider now.

j20 can supercruise meanwhile f35 cant
what crap!!


current WS 10 engine can supercruise , if it's true then thats a news to me

if F35 is so inferior why did
J20 copied EOTs of F35

CHEERS

Please you troll with education, noisy Indian member.

When we are talking about super-cruise, we are talking about aircraft, not the engine.

All jet engines are super-cruise capable if the aerodynamic drag is small enough.

In theory, any object with any engine can reach to the speed of light if there have no dragging.

Why F-35 cannot super cruise is because of

1) F-135 engine low performance at supersonic
2) Overweight fatty body generate huge drag