ZeEa5KPul
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Jul 13, 2017
- Messages
- 2,871
- Reaction score
- -16
- Country
- Location
I don't understand what's going on with this picture. It doesn't look shopped, but there's heat mirage from the exhaust yet the inlet is covered.
Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions
- Thread starter lawxx
- Start date
PeacefulWar
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Sep 1, 2019
- Messages
- 725
- Reaction score
- 1
- Country
- Location
It's summer, you can often see heat mirage from surfaces exposed under sun.
ZeEa5KPul
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Jul 13, 2017
- Messages
- 2,871
- Reaction score
- -16
- Country
- Location
The mirage is exactly behind the airplane. There isn't any on the right side of the picture.
PeacefulWar
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Sep 1, 2019
- Messages
- 725
- Reaction score
- 1
- Country
- Location
Indeed, I overlooked that.
The shape of mirage doesn't look like from exhaust though(and it can't be as you pointed the inlets are covered)
Deino
INT'L MOD
- Joined
- Nov 9, 2014
- Messages
- 12,780
- Reaction score
- 22
- Country
- Location
But it would sooooo cool to have more such tail arts besides the otherwise boring serial numbers.
Last edited:
siegecrossbow
PDF THINK TANK: ANALYST
- Joined
- Aug 19, 2010
- Messages
- 7,414
- Reaction score
- 8
- Country
- Location
When all the old codgers in charge of propaganda are dead maybe your wish will come true.
China’s J-20 carrier-based jet fighter influenced by US – not Soviet – thinking, designer says
- As the race to find the best platform for a modified fighter hots up, designer wins critics’ support by selling the American angle
- PLA Navy ‘should choose a reliable platform that has a long combat range and potential for development … and the best choice is the J-20,’ expert says
Published: 10:00pm, 2 Aug, 2020
The chief designer of the J-20 said the plane was a better match for US fighters.
The chief designer of the J-20 said the plane was a better match for US fighters. Photo: Xinhua
As tensions between Beijing and Washington continue to rise, China’s military aircraft designers are racing to develop a next-generation fighter jet for use on the nation’s aircraft carriers capable of competing with their American rivals.
The two contenders are Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (CADI), which is working on a modified version of its J-20, and Shenyang Aircraft Design Institute, which is adapting its FC-31.
While both aircraft have been in development for many years, CADI’s chief designer, Yang Wei, said recently the J-20 was a better match for US fighters.
The aircraft was inspired by American theories on air combat and jet development, he said in a recent article published in the Chinese journal Acta Aeronautica et Astronautica Sinica.
Military observers said that by openly stating he had learned from American ideas, Yang was trying to promote the modified J-20 as a superior option to the adapted FC-31, which is based on much older, Soviet, designs.
The designer also said in the article that the US military had been able to develop a carrier-based jet fighter and put it into mass production in less than six years.
“If the [Chinese] leadership decides to use the FC-31 as the platform for the new carrier-based fighter, it would be at least 10 years before it was ready for full deployment, by which time the Americans would be even further ahead,” said a person with links to the military, who asked not to be named.
Yang said in the article, which was widely shared on military news websites, it was essential that the next-generation fighter had a long combat range, enhanced stealth capabilities and a bigger weapon load.
Beijing-based military expert Zhou Chenming said Yang wanted to prove the J-20 was not only a fifth-generation fighter, but could be a platform for “advanced induction reaction devices and other new technologies” capable of targeting the shortcomings of its American rival, the F-22 Raptor.
Fifth-generation fighters feature stealth technology, supersonic cruising speeds, super manoeuvrability and highly integrated avionics.
Zhou said that in the past, China’s aircraft designers had been heavily influenced by Russian thinking and because of that focused almost exclusively on the fighting capabilities of their jets. But Yang, he said, stressed the need to consider other factors as well.
“Because of the Russian influence, Chinese designers ignored things like avionics systems and weapons,” Zhou said. “Russia’s MiG-29, for instance, had no chance of competing with its American counterpart, the all-weather multirole F-16.”
China’s FC-31 is up to 12 tonnes lighter than the J-20. Photo: Weibo
One possible disadvantage of the J-20 as a carrier-based fighter is that it is much heavier than the FC-31. China’s newest aircraft carriers will be fitted with an electromagnetic catapult launch system, which although reducing take-off times comes with a weight restriction.
With a maximum weight of 25 tonnes, the FC-31 is up to 12 tonnes lighter than the J-20 and about three metres (10 feet) shorter.
The FC-31 was developed to match the United States’ F-35, which was built by Lockheed Martin and the platform for the carrier-based F-35B and F-35C.
Despite that comparison, Macau-based military expert Antony Wong Tong said the FC-31 was no match for the F-35 in terms of manoeuvrability or firepower.
“Based on China’s current technology and production capacity, the PLA Navy should choose a reliable platform that has a long combat range and potential for development. And the best choice for that is the J-20,” he said.
This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: J-20 carrier-based fighter ‘influenced by US ideas’
Figaro
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Aug 17, 2017
- Messages
- 5,684
- Reaction score
- 8
- Country
- Location
Can you please not post any articles from Minnie Chan? She is perhaps the single most unreliable authority on Chinese military developments.China’s J-20 carrier-based jet fighter influenced by US – not Soviet – thinking, designer says
Minnie Chan
- As the race to find the best platform for a modified fighter hots up, designer wins critics’ support by selling the American angle
- PLA Navy ‘should choose a reliable platform that has a long combat range and potential for development … and the best choice is the J-20,’ expert says
Published: 10:00pm, 2 Aug, 2020
The chief designer of the J-20 said the plane was a better match for US fighters.
The chief designer of the J-20 said the plane was a better match for US fighters. Photo: Xinhua
As tensions between Beijing and Washington continue to rise, China’s military aircraft designers are racing to develop a next-generation fighter jet for use on the nation’s aircraft carriers capable of competing with their American rivals.
The two contenders are Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (CADI), which is working on a modified version of its J-20, and Shenyang Aircraft Design Institute, which is adapting its FC-31.
While both aircraft have been in development for many years, CADI’s chief designer, Yang Wei, said recently the J-20 was a better match for US fighters.
The aircraft was inspired by American theories on air combat and jet development, he said in a recent article published in the Chinese journal Acta Aeronautica et Astronautica Sinica.
Military observers said that by openly stating he had learned from American ideas, Yang was trying to promote the modified J-20 as a superior option to the adapted FC-31, which is based on much older, Soviet, designs.
The designer also said in the article that the US military had been able to develop a carrier-based jet fighter and put it into mass production in less than six years.
“If the [Chinese] leadership decides to use the FC-31 as the platform for the new carrier-based fighter, it would be at least 10 years before it was ready for full deployment, by which time the Americans would be even further ahead,” said a person with links to the military, who asked not to be named.
Yang said in the article, which was widely shared on military news websites, it was essential that the next-generation fighter had a long combat range, enhanced stealth capabilities and a bigger weapon load.
Beijing-based military expert Zhou Chenming said Yang wanted to prove the J-20 was not only a fifth-generation fighter, but could be a platform for “advanced induction reaction devices and other new technologies” capable of targeting the shortcomings of its American rival, the F-22 Raptor.
Fifth-generation fighters feature stealth technology, supersonic cruising speeds, super manoeuvrability and highly integrated avionics.
Zhou said that in the past, China’s aircraft designers had been heavily influenced by Russian thinking and because of that focused almost exclusively on the fighting capabilities of their jets. But Yang, he said, stressed the need to consider other factors as well.
“Because of the Russian influence, Chinese designers ignored things like avionics systems and weapons,” Zhou said. “Russia’s MiG-29, for instance, had no chance of competing with its American counterpart, the all-weather multirole F-16.”
China’s FC-31 is up to 12 tonnes lighter than the J-20. Photo: Weibo
One possible disadvantage of the J-20 as a carrier-based fighter is that it is much heavier than the FC-31. China’s newest aircraft carriers will be fitted with an electromagnetic catapult launch system, which although reducing take-off times comes with a weight restriction.
With a maximum weight of 25 tonnes, the FC-31 is up to 12 tonnes lighter than the J-20 and about three metres (10 feet) shorter.
The FC-31 was developed to match the United States’ F-35, which was built by Lockheed Martin and the platform for the carrier-based F-35B and F-35C.
Despite that comparison, Macau-based military expert Antony Wong Tong said the FC-31 was no match for the F-35 in terms of manoeuvrability or firepower.
“Based on China’s current technology and production capacity, the PLA Navy should choose a reliable platform that has a long combat range and potential for development. And the best choice for that is the J-20,” he said.
This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: J-20 carrier-based fighter ‘influenced by US ideas’
kungfugymnast
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Sep 19, 2015
- Messages
- 694
- Reaction score
- -11
- Country
- Location
Despite Minnie Chan is not popular with many here, her article seems quite realistic and true about J-20 being not suitable for carrier fighter even if EMRAL carrier & WS15 engines became available. Reason being the design of J-20 is not suitable for low speed stability and it is too fast for carrier landing.
J-35 will be designed for carrier based, probably new design differ from FC-31. Or there'll be navalized FC-31 to fill the gap while waiting for J-35 to become available.
For J-20, no news on J-20B yet?
Deino
INT'L MOD
- Joined
- Nov 9, 2014
- Messages
- 12,780
- Reaction score
- 22
- Country
- Location
Indeed; realistic and true in the same way a defective clock is also correct and true twice a say!
Figaro
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Aug 17, 2017
- Messages
- 5,684
- Reaction score
- 8
- Country
- Location
No they are not ... her articles are extremely self contradictory and the claims have been outright debunked. There is a reason why her articles are basically taboo here.
I wouldn't even call her a defective clock at all ... at least the clock is right two times a day. I've yet to see Minnie be correct about a single thing.Indeed; realistic and true in the same way a defective clock is also correct and true twice a say!
Deino
INT'L MOD
- Joined
- Nov 9, 2014
- Messages
- 12,780
- Reaction score
- 22
- Country
- Location
casual
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Jan 8, 2011
- Messages
- 3,319
- Reaction score
- -1
- Country
- Location
The drone even has US base code on the tail... How real do you think it is.
Similar threads
