Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[houshanghai]

 

[no_name]

im serious. not bitter for saying that (though I am bitter). the reality is, no matter how good the J-20 is, it will be no match for the USAF, because the PLAAF is restricted by a backwards doctrine, backwards organization, and corruption. so the discussion of technical features is just on paper; the actual use of this plane is just to fly in airshows and serve as an engineering project to employ more people.

Hey, why the pessimistic tone all of a sudden. Just a few days ago you were still sounding defiant. You sure you don't have bi-polars?


Btw lots of great pics. Was just down south for one day. They're testing her out more and also there are more sensor patches across her wings, back and tails for collecting data.

 

[aimarraul]

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[houshanghai]

The Russians are getting jealous.That's because MIG 1.44 isn't stealth.

MiG denies stealth technology transfer to China for J-20 fighter

17:35 26/08/2011
MOSCOW, August 26 (RIA Novosti)
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Russia has never transferred any stealth technology to China to assist it with its J-20 Black Eagle fifth-generation stealth fighter prototype, Russian plane maker MiG said on Friday.

"We are not delivering any equipment to China, and never have," MiG spokeswoman Yelena Fyodorova said.

MiG's statement follows claims in the Russian and foreign press last week that China's J-20, unveiled over six months ago, is based on technology and components from the Russian Mikoyan Article 1.44, a stealth technology demonstrator aircraft, development of which was suspended.

Some analysts say the aircraft have close similarities.

"The back end of the J-20 looks awfully like the 1.44, as does the overall layout with delta canards," said Douglas Barrie, an air warfare specialist at the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies.

"If it's a coincidence, it's a striking one. Russia may have provided technical support, but there is nothing substantial to prove that. China has however relied on Russia for much of its defense procurement for a decade and a half," he added.

China's J-20 Black Eagle is thought to be conceptually similar to the U.S. F-22 Raptor and the Russian T-50 jets, but is likely to be just a technology demonstrator or prototype rather than a viable fighter.

China has been working on a future fighter program since the mid-1990s, but the J-20 is not expected to enter service before 2018-2020.

Earlier in the month, Mikhail Pogosyan, the head of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation said that China's fifth-generation fighter program is more for effect than substance and branded the maiden flight as a "show-off."

China relied on the Soviet Union for much of its aviation technology until the Sino-Soviet split after 1961. China then carried on developing copies of Soviet and Russian aircraft.

Beijing also relies on Russian engines, radars and electronic components for many of its other aircraft, such as the JF-17 fighter it developed jointly with Pakistan.

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China’s J-20 to be effective capability by 2018 - Pentagon


2011-08-27 (China Military News cited from flightglobal.com and by Greg Waldron)



A Pentagon report has highlighted major advances by the Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF), with specific mention of the developmental Chengdu J-20 aircraft.
Washington believes the J-20 could achieve an "effective operational capability" by 2018, and suggests the aircraft's role is as not a fighter, but rather a long-range attack platform. It says engine technology is the main challenge China will face in developing the J-20.
The US Department of Defense's annual report to Congress, entitled "Military and Security Developments Involving the People's Republic of China," covers all aspects of China's defence modernisation.

© Rex Features

"The J-20 will eventually give the People's Liberation Army Air Force a platform capable of long-range, penetrating strikes into complex air defense environments," said the report.
There has been debate in defence circles as to the exact role of the J-20. Some have speculated that it is intended as a direct rival to the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II fighter. Another popular theory indicates that it is designed specially for long-range attacks against American aircraft carriers and other targets.
One table in the report underlined the speed and scale of PLAAF modernisation over the last decade.
In 2000, around 2% of its platforms were considered modern, whereas today the number is 25%, with the force being filled out with types such as the Sukhoi Su-27 and Su-30, as well as the Chengdu J-10.
The report indicated that most of China's modernisation efforts are aimed squarely at being able to prevail in a conflict over Taiwan, which China views as a breakaway province.
China has a total of 1,680 fighter aircraft, of which 330 are stationed within range of Taiwan, where they are opposed by Taiwan's fighter fleet of just 388 aircraft. As for bombers and attack aircraft, 160 are within range of Taiwan, out of a total of 620.
"Currently, 490 aircraft could conduct combat operations against Taiwan without refueling," said the report. "This number could be significantly increased through any combination of aircraft forward deployment, decreased ordnance loads or altered mission profiles."
A war over Taiwan could draw in the USA. Recognising this, China has developed new capabilities tailored for an "anti-access" strategy, aimed at delaying or preventing American intervention.
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[teddy]

Peoples keep saying china depends on russian component, it seems likely this could make them feels better.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Here is the gif.

 

[siegecrossbow]

^^ Do you know how they made this? Did the cameraman actually snap the pictures in sequence or did some one just put all the photos taken by other people together?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

^^ Do you know how they made this? Did the cameraman actually snap the pictures in sequence or did some one just put all the photos taken by other people together?

Definitely, an easy cheap way.

I think the middle of sequence is compiled together, the rest is taken by the camera.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Definitely, an easy cheap way.

I think the middle of sequence is compiled together, the rest is taken by the camera.

If he could snap all those photos in sequence why not take a video . Anyways the GIF looks great.

 

[DARKY]

Any idiot, sparing you, would know that Pentagon site will not have any aircraft designs. they should be with the aircraft manufacturers.

You proved beyond doubt..... the user always have the detailed analysis of the design, parts, blueprints of the product in case If it is manufactured by the the same country itself to understand the machine properly........ and train their pilots accordingly aswell as the maintenance staff.... so eagerly you jumped in to prove about yourself..... what difference it makes if its stealing the data from some user website or the manufacturer's website...... its stealing in the end.

 

[akinkhoo]

so they are carrying out air manoeuvres over populated area, something tells me that this is not the first time they did this... the project might be further along than we know...

 

[houshanghai]

 

[April.lyrics]

You proved beyond doubt..... the user always have the detailed analysis of the design, parts, blueprints of the product in case If it is manufactured by the the same country itself to understand the machine properly........ and train their pilots accordingly aswell as the maintenance staff.... so eagerly you jumped in to prove about yourself..... what difference it makes if its stealing the data from some user website or the manufacturer's website...... its stealing in the end.

I dont know where ur information about J20 come from？u said it is a copy.seems u r getting messages from more reliable places rather than websites？or just come from websites either.u said ' what difference it makes if its stealing the data from some user website or the manufacturer's website . ' now i am asking where u get that ? Stone on ur own feet

 

[siegecrossbow]

The actual roll was no where as fast lol.

Take a look at this. Looking familiar?

Huzhigeng commenting on Russian involvement in the J-20 project:

南四抄袭I44是没影的事情。但是611确实和米格关系不错。很久以前611从毛子那里也学到了很多有用的东西。歼20确实有毛子的功劳，比如611的毛子专家就不是人了？呵呵。当年发图就看到好几个。

The J-20 definitely did not copy the MIG 1.44. However the 611 research facility has good relations with the MIG corporation. A long time ago 611 learned very important stuff from the Russians as well. The Russians did contribute to the development of the J-20. Take the Russian experts at 611, for example. We've seen quite a few in past photos.

 

[J-20]

I dont know where ur information about J20 come from？u said it is a copy.seems u r getting messages from more reliable places rather than websites？or just come from websites either.u said ' what difference it makes if its stealing the data from some user website or the manufacturer's website . ' now i am asking where u get that ? Stone on ur own feet

whatever... sitting on LCA, shouting we stealing J-20 from others, laughable enough. Indian people, keep on your innovative work on LCA....