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The air intake on this 1 is so much better than j10a

This is DSI or Divertless supersonic Intake they also are used now on Thunders.

Infact Thunder is world's First operational Fighter Jet in production with DSI's.
 
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Code One Magazine: JSF Diverterless Supersonic Inlet — July 2000

Dug up some info on DSI. It was first TESTED on F16 Blk 30.

The unassuming fuselage bump at each inlet on the Lockheed Martin Joint Strike Fighter performs miracles that only aeronautical engineers can fully appreciate. At high aircraft speeds through supersonic, the bumps work with forward-swept inlet cowls to redirect unwanted boundary layer airflow away from the inlets, essentially doing the job of heavier, more complex, and more costly approaches used by current fighters.

DSI Flight Tests

The overall inlet design, called a diverterless supersonic inlet or DSI, moved from concept to reality when it was installed and flown on a Block 30 F-16 in a highly successful demonstration program. The flight test program consisted of twelve flights flown in nine days in December 1996. The first flight on 11 December addressed initial envelope clearance and functional checks. Subsequent flights addressed performance characteristics of the unique inlet design in both level and maneuvering flight. Rapid throttle transients during these flights confirmed the compatibility between the inlet and engine.

The flight tests covered the entire F-16 flight envelope and achieved a maximum speed of Mach 2.0. The modified aircraft demonstrated flying qualities similar to a normal production F-16 at all angles of attack and at all angles of sideslip. Lockheed Martin test pilots performed two inflight engine restarts and 164 successful afterburner lights, with no failures. Fifty-two afterburner lights were performed during hard maneuvers. No engine stalls or anomalies occurred during the test flights.

The new inlet showed slightly better subsonic specific excess power than a production inlet and that verified the overall system benefits of eliminating the diverter. Test pilots remarked that military power settings and thrust characteristics were very similar to standard production F-16 aircraft with the same General Electric F110-GE-129 engine. Considering the overall goal of the flight test program was to demonstrate the viability of this advanced inlet technology, the results were excellent.

Fighter Inlet Design Basics

in flightTactical aircraft pose a formidable challenge for inlet designers. A fighter inlet must provide an engine with high-quality airflow over a wide range of speeds, altitudes, and maneuvering conditions while accommodating the full range of engine airflow from idle to maximum military or afterburning power. The inlet designer must also consider the constraints imposed by configuration features, such as nose landing gears, weapon bays, equipment access panels, and forebody shaping. The design must produce the lowest drag, lowest weight, lowest cost, and highest propulsion performance. It must also meet stringent low observable requirements.

Historically, inlet complexity is a function of top speed for fighter aircraft. Higher Mach numbers require more sophisticated devices for compressing supersonic airflow to slow it down to subsonic levels before it reaches the face of the engine. (Jet engines are not designed to handle the shock waves associated with supersonic airflow.) These compression schemes involve the conversion of the kinetic energy of the supersonic airstream into total pressure on the compressor face of the engine. Speeds over Mach 2 generally require more elaborate compression schemes. The F-15 inlet, for example, contains a series of movable compression ramps and doors controlled by software and elaborate mechanical systems. The ramps move to adjust the external and internal shape of the inlet to provide the optimum airflow to the engine at various aircraft speeds and angles of attack. Doors and ducting allow excess airflow to bypass the inlet.

Inlet designs for fighter aircraft must also account for a layer of low-energy air that forms on the surface of the fuselage at subsonic and supersonic speeds. (These layers also form on the inlet compression surfaces.) This layer of slow moving, turbulent air, called a boundary layer, can create chaos when disturbed by the shock waves created by the inlet. The result can be unwanted airflow distortions at the engine face. If the shock wave/boundary layer interaction is severe enough, the engine will stall. The boundary layer thickens with increased speed and increased forebody distance, the length from the nose of the airplane to the inlet itself.

JSFDesigners of supersonic aircraft deal with this boundary layer phenomenon by redirecting the layer before it reaches the engine and placing the inlet away from the boundary layer in the freestream, where airflow is unaffected by the boundary layer phenomenon. On the F-16, a structure called a diverter provides a 3.3-inch gap between the fuselage and the upper lip of the inlet. The size of the gap equates to the thickness of the boundary layer at the maximum speed of the F-16. Other fighters remove boundary layer airflow with combinations of splitter plates and bleed systems. The latter redirect the unwanted airflow through small holes in the compression ramps to bleed ducts within the inlet. The DSI bump functions as a compression surface and creates a pressure distribution that prevents the majority of the boundary layer air from entering the inlet at speeds up to Mach 2. In essence, the DSI does away with complex and heavy mechanical systems.

DSI Origins

The DSI traces its roots to work done by Lockheed Martin engineers in the early 1990s as part of an independent research and development project called the Advanced Propulsion Integration project. The concept was developed and refined with Lockheed Martin-proprietary computer modeling tools made possible by advances in Computational Fluid Dynamics, or CFD. CFD is the science of determining a numerical solution to the governing equations of fluid flow and advancing this solution through space or time to describe a complete flow field of interest—in this case, the flow field of a fighter forebody, inlet, and inlet duct.

JSF dynamicsCFD, considered a branch of fluid dynamics, provides a cost-effective means of simulating airflow. The development of more powerful computers has furthered CFD advances to the point that it has become the preferred means of evaluating aerodynamic designs.

Basic research of the inlet concept continued through the mid-1990s. Traditional wind tunnel testing of small plastic inlet models built with stereolithographic techniques augmented a CFD-based development process for the DSI. Engineers made enough technical advances during this period that two US patent applications were filed, one dealing with the overall design and the second dealing with the integration process of the new technology. (Both patents were granted in 1998.) The diverterless inlet designs built and tested with this combination of CFD and small-scale wind tunnel models formed a database of inlet configurations that would subsequently prove valuable to the Lockheed Martin JSF design.

Stereolithography

Stereolithography builds a part very quickly from a vat of photocurable resin. A laser scans the surface of the resin, following a computer-based description of the part. The laser draws the bottom layer of the part first. When the layer is complete, a platform just below the cured layer drops lower into the vat of resin. Fresh resin washes over the part, and the laser proceeds to build the next layer. A three-dimensional design is built up in this additive process. When all layers are complete, the part is cleaned and put through a final curing process.

Full-Scale Test Inlet

The DSI flight-tested on the F-16 in 1996 was designed on computer workstations using three-dimensional solid models. It was developed with minimal airframe impacts and maximum use of existing hardware to reduce design and manufacturing costs. The F-16’s modular inlet design allowed development of a DSI-equipped inlet module without significant impacts to the aircraft forebody or center fuselage. As with the existing inlet design, the new inlet module formed part of the forward fuselage extending from the inlet leading edge to the interface between the forward fuselage and center fuselage. The compression surface was attached to the existing forward fuselage below the cockpit without affecting the rest of the forebody or the chine. New duct lines were developed to form a transition from the new inlet aperture to the existing duct.

inlet constructionThe upper surface of the F-16 inlet module forms the floor of the forward fuel tank. This fuel tank is located directly behind the pilot. The lower surface of the fuel tank floor forms the upper surface of the F-16 inlet duct. This fuel tank floor offered an ideal starting point for the structural layout of the new inlet module since it is an assembly that can be procured directly from the F-16 production line. The diverter support beam was also retained and, in combination with the fuel tank floor, formed the primary means of attaching the new inlet module to the forward fuselage.

inlet constructionThe inlet module consisted of 300 parts, which included 113 machined parts and eighty-three formed skin panels. The bump, more accurately termed a fixed, three-dimensional compression surface, was formed from graphite epoxy at LM Aeronautics facilities in Palmdale, California. Most of the substructure consists of aluminum. The inlet module was built and installed at LM Aeronautics facilities in Fort Worth, where the flight tests took place.

LM Aeronautics JSF Design Adopts DSIinlet construction

The DSI concept was introduced into the JAST/JSF program as a trade study item in mid-1994. It was compared with a traditional "caret" style inlet. The trade studies involved additional CFD, testing, and weight and cost analyses. The new inlet earned its way into the JSF design after proving to be thirty percent lighter and showing lower production and maintenance costs over traditional inlets while still meeting all performance requirements.

inlet constructionThe flight tests on the F-16 validated the aerodynamic properties of the inlet, which will be validated further on the upcoming flights of the Lockheed Martin JSF demonstrator aircraft in 2000. The flight test also proved that the analytical performance and inlet flow stability predictions from the CFD analysis matched operations in the real world. The JSF program further refined the production version of the DSI design using these CFD tools.

The DSI inlet used on the JSF has evolved through several design iterations. The shaft-driven lift fan on the STOVL JSF required the use of a bifurcated duct with one inlet on each side. The initial version was essentially the same design used on the lower surface of the F-16 rotated up onto either side of the JSF forward fuselage. This design had a cowl that wasinlet construction symmetrical about the centerline of the bump. This version of the inlet appears on the X-35 demonstrator aircraft. Later CFD analysis and testing led to refinements of the design to improve its performance at high angles of attack by shifting the upper and lower cowl lips to take advantage of the side-mounted location and to improve high angle-of-attack performance. This later version has been fully tested in the wind tunnel and will be used on the EMD and on production aircraft.
 
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The overall inlet design, called a diverterless supersonic inlet or DSI, moved from concept to reality when it was installed and flown on a Block 30 F-16 in a highly successful demonstration program. The flight test program consisted of twelve flights flown in nine days in December 1996. The first flight on 11 December addressed initial envelope clearance and functional checks. Subsequent flights addressed performance characteristics of the unique inlet design in both level and maneuvering flight. Rapid throttle transients during these flights confirmed the compatibility between the inlet and engine.


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The DSI flight-tested on the F-16 in 1996 and were produced later on with DSI intakes so F-16 was serial produced with DSI .....SO HOW DOES THUNDER BECOME FIRST ONE TO DO SO
 
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The overall inlet design, called a diverterless supersonic inlet or DSI, moved from concept to reality when it was installed and flown on a Block 30 F-16 in a highly successful demonstration program. The flight test program consisted of twelve flights flown in nine days in December 1996. The first flight on 11 December addressed initial envelope clearance and functional checks. Subsequent flights addressed performance characteristics of the unique inlet design in both level and maneuvering flight. Rapid throttle transients during these flights confirmed the compatibility between the inlet and engine.


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The DSI flight-tested on the F-16 in 1996 and were produced later on with DSI intakes so F-16 was serial produced with DSI .....SO HOW DOES THUNDER BECOME FIRST ONE TO DO SO

They were developed but for the sole purpose of testing while thunders have been inducted and will commence active duty. Has an F-16 with DSI saw active duty? No so that makes thunder the first operational jet with DSI.
 
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First operational jet guys, the F-16 was experimental. If it make you guys to feel any better J-17 is the first jet in production and operation and is also inducted with DSI. Now stop derailing the thread. Thanks :pakistan:
 
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PAF wanted the plane to be extensively tested and all of its components to be matured by the time it inducts them. This may be frustrating to us, but wise in general. After all it will be the premier fighter aircraft of the PAF and it wants to make sure it has systems that work rather than look pretty. PAF is lucky in that it has bought time with the induction of the JF-17 and the F-16block 52s being inducted later this year. These will give the PAF the breathing room it needs until J-10B has met PAFs requirments. Besides, no MMRCA until ~2015 in all likelyhood.:tup:
 
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You might be correct and so is BB when he says that thunder is the world's first operational Fighter Jet in production with DSI's.

What is meant by operational? I believe the Pakistanis are still looking for avionics for this plane. Till such time as its complement is not complete it is hardly a fighter, at best a air plane.
 
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What is meant by operational? I believe the Pakistanis are still looking for avionics for this plane. Till such time as its complement is not complete it is hardly a fighter, at best a air plane.

It has a radar with 110KM+ detection and tracking range, it has avionics, it has data link capability, RWR & defensive suit, can launch PGMs, launch BVR missiles.

It had everything which any modern fighter can have.

Its in production, nearly 20 or may be more are made, first Sqd with 14 aircraft became operational and has joined the strength and force of PAF. Even has taken part in the air campaign against the militants.

And is fully capable to take on its adversary aircraft rather aircrafts.

Hope enough said to make you understand that it is the first operational inducted aircraft with DSI intakes and the F-35 would be the second one.

And yeah as for looking for avionics, that is to make it compatible with western weaponry, as western weaponry is tried and tested and we currently have lot of western weapons in our inventory and we can easily get them from western sources and in case of war, friendlier nations can also supply them.
 
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What is meant by operational? I believe the Pakistanis are still looking for avionics for this plane. Till such time as its complement is not complete it is hardly a fighter, at best a air plane.

Well... thanks to Taimi he has already replied to this.

Regarding the avionics package that PAF is looking for, that is for the 2nd batch of Thunder. A squardon of atleast 14 planes from the first batch is already operational with the Chinese avionics.
 
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well as always indian can never accept something good about pakistan... no surprise... the whole world knows that thunder has DSI and is in production and operational with PAF but no indians will never accept no matter what :no: :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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well as always indian can never accept something good about pakistan... no surprise... the whole world knows that thunder has DSI and is in production and operational with PAF but no indians will never accept no matter what :no: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Couldn't agree more. Tomorrow will say, it has all steel body and no composites (which many had said before also), thus it is not a fighter but just an airplane. Even without knowing what JF-17 is really made of.

Anyway, that is understandable.
 
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well as always indian can never accept something good about pakistan... no surprise... the whole world knows that thunder has DSI and is in production and operational with PAF but no indians will never accept no matter what :no: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

CC: Taimikhan

Dont let history clutter your vision & lead you on to pronouncements that belie the standard of this forum. I never said the cr@p you are rofl about. All I said is it was tested on F16 and that in my opinion JF17 is still not operational if PAF is still looking for fitments for it. Appreciable since unlike the IAF which is chasing the perfect plane, the PAF is being more practical.

Infact I hope Pakistanis can do a better job of offering competition to the Indians. Had things gone per plan I would have hoped to see F/A 18s and JSFs in the pipeline for PAF, but not so. We need some seriously capable AF across the border so that the dividends of competition can be reaped this side. A la US vs USSR race to outdo each other.

If the Thunder has DSI that is a fact & cannot be denied.
 
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CC: Taimikhan

Dont let history clutter your vision & lead you on to pronouncements that belie the standard of this forum. I never said the cr@p you are rofl about. All I said is it was tested on F16 and that in my opinion JF17 is still not operational if PAF is still looking for fitments for it. Appreciable since unlike the IAF which is chasing the perfect plane, the PAF is being more practical.

Infact I hope Pakistanis can do a better job of offering competition to the Indians. Had things gone per plan I would have hoped to see F/A 18s and JSFs in the pipeline for PAF, but not so. We need some seriously capable AF across the border so that the dividends of competition can be reaped this side. A la US vs USSR race to outdo each other.

If the Thunder has DSI that is a fact & cannot be denied.


Great trolling. Keep it up. U make all of trolistan happy. I bet soon there will be more of your CC buddies joining you to mess up a perfectly staraight forward discussion.

We need some seriously capable AF across the border so that the dividends of competition can be reaped this side. A la US vs USSR race to outdo each other.


You should be happy about it, imagine we are able to give you guys heart burn with the not so good quality second grade merchandise that we have. Then what we would have been able to do if we had better stuff. Stop acting like a typical Brichsaw driver and stop derailing the thread.
 
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& Just when I thought I had run into some1 who could offer something substantial. Nada.
 
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