Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[shanixee]

IFR on 1035 only?

Its Really a very graceful fighter indeed..

 

[fatman17]

I wonder if the visit by the Russian air force has anything to do with the export of the AL-31FN engine ?

highly un-likely.

 

[fatman17]

J-10B Vigorous Dragon

The latest 1035 prototype of the J-10B (K/JJ10B?) was photographed at CAC airfield in July 2011, revealing the indigenous WS-10B (?) turbofan engine.

This much improved variant made its maiden flight on December 23, 2008, powered by a Russian AL-31FN engine (1031 prototype).

The improvements include a DSI/bump engine inlet which not only cuts weight but also reduces RCS, after a similar design was first tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. The aircraft also features a J-11B style IRST/LR and a wide-angle holographic HUD. IRST allows passive detection of enemy aircraft, making J-10B more stealthy in combat. Its nose appears flatter too, similar to that of American F-16, housing fire-control radar which could be an X-band AESA developed by the 14th Institute (track 10, engage 4 simultaneously), the first of such type ever being developed for a Chinese fighter aircraft, giving J-10B a stronger multi-target engagement and ECCM capability. There were also rumors that a PESA radar developed by the 607 Institute could be installed but this has not been confirmed. An ECM antenna can also be seen right in front of the canard foreplane on 1035. Two large pods housing testing equipments were attached under the wings. The tip of vertical tailfin was redesigned as well, featuring a large fairing containing communication and ECM antennas, which resembles that of French Mirage 2000. A rear facing MAWS sensor can be seen underneath the parachute boom. A similar system was tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. RAM coating is also expected in certain areas such as engine inlet and wing leading edges to reduce RCS.

The aircraft may be fitted with CFTs in the future to further extend its range. All these improvements suggest that J-10B is equipped with a new generation of integrated electronic system, ranging from radar to EW system.

Its mission may be changed from air-superiority to multi-role, such as CAS or EW. For air-superiority mission, normally 6 AAMs (PL-12x4 + PL-8x2, PL-12s are carried underneath the twin-rail launch pylon) can be carried. For CAS mission, normally 2 KD-88 AGMs or LS-500J LGBs can be carried. In addition, the aircraft is expected to be powered eventually by a WS-10B turbofan.

Overall J-10B is thought to be comparable to American F-16E/Block 60. The 03 prototype (1033) first flew in August 2009, with the pitot tube removed from the nose tip. Both 1031 & 1034 prototypes have been tested at CFTE. J-10B is likely to serve as a testbed for various advanced technologies adopted by the 4th generation J-20 currently under development at CAC thus may not enter the service in large quantity with PLAAF.

The production of J-10B has been postponed, due to the production quality issues of WS-10B. However it was speculated that the first batch of production J-10Bs would be powered by Russian AL-31FN engine and could enter the service with PLAAF 44th Division in late 2013.

The latest images (March 2013) indicated that the 1031 prototype has been modified with ECM antennas installed ahead of the canard foreplanes similar to those onboard 1035, which represents the final configuration before the production. A further upgraded semi-stealth variant with CFT (J-10C?) was rumored to be under development but no information is available.

- Last Updated 4/16/13

 

[Manticore]

1. An alternate configuration for the lightweight fighter dated 13 August 1971.

Lockheed Martin's early bomber design exposure

 

[Beast]

leak photos of j10 B are 1031,1033,1034,1035.
strang that no one ever seen 1032

1032 maybe used for static or stress test.

I wonder if the visit by the Russian air force has anything to do with the export of the AL-31FN engine ?

No...

If comes to engine problem. Russia will only talk to Chinese side for re export to Pakistan. Actually, PAF shall go for a heavy weight fighter like Su-35. J-10B is too similar in profile compare to JF-17. Yes, it is more advance and agile but still retain the same short legged air superiority point defense fighter who could not give PAF of another dimension of aerial warfare.

Su-35 will give the heavy load, deep strike capacity that will open another dimension for PAF. It will gives IAF another nightmare.

 

[That Guy]

1032 maybe used for static or stress test.



No...

If comes to engine problem. Russia will only talk to Chinese side for re export to Pakistan. Actually, PAF shall go for a heavy weight fighter like Su-35. J-10B is too similar in profile compare to JF-17. Yes, it is more advance and agile but still retain the same short legged air superiority point defense fighter who could not give PAF of another dimension of aerial warfare.

Su-35 will give the heavy load, deep strike capacity that will open another dimension for PAF. It will gives IAF another nightmare.

That's assuming that Pakistan will ever get the Su-35 or even wants to purchase it, let alone afford it, or have the Russians offer it to them.

Russian-Pakistani relations may be warming, but let's be honest, Russia will not do anything to upset India too much and push their main weapons buyer any further to the US and EU powers.

 

[Beast]

That's assuming that Pakistan will ever get the Su-35 or even wants to purchase it, let alone afford it, or have the Russians offer it to them.

Russian-Pakistani relations may be warming, but let's be honest, Russia will not do anything to upset India too much and push their main weapons buyer any further to the US and EU powers.

India Russo relationship is already at all time low. The Russian with the take it or leave it attitude for Indian now is well known. The very fact, rafale deal encounter so much difficulties is even pushing Indian depending on Russian arms further. They may end up buying more MKI. Typhoon is not an option since it will have the same problem encountered as rafale.

Russian basically like to do whatever they wants, Russian does not care about India much. Indian arm industries are too dependant on russian. Let me give you one fine example of RD-93 engine re export transfer to PAF. Does it even care about India feeling or interest. Of cos, Russian is smart to play the china card by claiming the customer is China and they are not dealing with Pakistan directly as Russian promise not to sell arms to Pakistan for the sake of India.

It can be done for Su-35 too. 24 Su-35 at a price of $1.5billion is perfect and affordable for PAF who lack a twin engine heavy weight multi role for deep strike capabilities. Russia just need to play dumb and sell it to china and china re export to PAF. Exactly the same thing they did for RD-93 engines.

 

[That Guy]

India Russo relationship is already at all time low. The Russian with the take it or leave it attitude for Indian now is well known. The very fact, rafale deal encounter so much difficulties is even pushing Indian depending on Russian arms further. They may end up buying more MKI. Typhoon is not an option since it will have the same problem encountered as rafale.

Russian basically like to do whatever they wants, Russian does not care about India much. Indian arm industries are too dependant on russian. Let me give you one fine example of RD-93 engine re export transfer to PAF. Does it even care about India feeling or interest. Of cos, Russian is smart to play the china card by claiming the customer is China and they are not dealing with Pakistan directly as Russian promise not to sell arms to Pakistan for the sake of India.

It can be done for Su-35 too. 24 Su-35 at a price of $1.5billion is perfect and affordable for PAF who lack a twin engine heavy weight multi role for deep strike capabilities. Russia just need to play dumb and sell it to china and china re export to PAF. Exactly the same thing they did for RD-93 engines.

Regardless of the fact that I disagree with a lot of what you said, let's tackle the main issue, does Pakistan even want it? $1.5 billion may seem affordable, but the high maintenance and the costs of maintenance of the Su-35 is not something that Pakistan desires. Pakistan has traditionally bought planes that were low maintenance, and cost little to operate. The only exception to that rule is the F-16s and Pakistan only has them so it has a high-tech fighter to counter India's high-tech fighters.

 

[Beast]

Regardless of the fact that I disagree with a lot of what you said, let's tackle the main issue, does Pakistan even want it? $1.5 billion may seem affordable, but the high maintenance and the costs of maintenance of the Su-35 is not something that Pakistan desires. Pakistan has traditionally bought planes that were low maintenance, and cost little to operate. The only exception to that rule is the F-16s and Pakistan only has them so it has a high-tech fighter to counter India's high-tech fighters.

Su-35 will be a massive asset for PAF strategy against IAF. Which aircraft now is able to strike deep into Indian soil and force many of the doctrine change for IAF? None. Even the F-16 with CFT is not able to be as long leg or heavy load compare to Su-35.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Su-35 will be a massive asset for PAF strategy against IAF. Which aircraft now is able to strike deep into Indian soil and force many of the doctrine change for IAF? None. Even the F-16 with CFT is not able to be as long leg or heavy load compare to Su-35.

Why not then go for cheap options for deep strikes with Cruise missiles or ballistic missiles. Why endanger a 50-60M$ plane for deep strike, when a few hundred thousand missile can do that with accuracy. And what will PAF get with deep strikes, what we need is within 300-400Km of the border.

 

[hurt]

Su-35 will be a massive asset for PAF strategy against IAF. Which aircraft now is able to strike deep into Indian soil and force many of the doctrine change for IAF? None. Even the F-16 with CFT is not able to be as long leg or heavy load compare to Su-35.

Bullshit

Different missile,radar,data link,parts,hard logistical.
massive asset ? joke

 

[That Guy]

Su-35 will be a massive asset for PAF strategy against IAF. Which aircraft now is able to strike deep into Indian soil and force many of the doctrine change for IAF? None. Even the F-16 with CFT is not able to be as long leg or heavy load compare to Su-35.

Again, back to the main issue, can Pakistan afford it right now? Unless Pakistan nationalizes and expands it's mining of Gold and minerals that are supposedly worth trillions in Baluchistan, or expands it's thar coal mining operatiions in Sindh, which is also supposedly worth trillions, Pakistan can't afford half the things it wants to buy, let alone a fighter jet that the Russians would never sell Pakistan...ever.

 

[sancho]

...Russia just need to play dumb and sell it to china and china re export to PAF. Exactly the same thing they did for RD-93 engines.

What nonsense, you wasn't able to sell J10As or J11As with Russian engines to Pakistan, but want to divert Su 35s. Why didn't you offered Pakistan KJ 2000, based on the Russian A50?

Russias argumentation with the RD93 was, that it doesn't matter to India, since we get the same basline engine, but in the latest version and that is the usual argumentation for all nations that sells to Pakistan and to India. The US does it, the Europeans does it, the Brazilians does and even China would do it, if we had no common borderline. At the end, they all want to make money and apart from all political relations, that's an important matter too, which is why China has so much economical relations with India, although being Pakistans prime partner today right?

The only twin engine fighter that makes sense for PAF, would be a stealth fighter in future, but today a cost-effective fleet in good numbers are more important.

 

[That Guy]

What nonsense, you wasn't able to sell J10As or J11As with Russian engines to Pakistan, but want to divert Su 35s. Why didn't you offered Pakistan KJ 2000, based on the Russian A50?

Russias argumentation with the RD93 was, that it doesn't matter to India, since we get the same basline engine, but in the latest version and that is the usual argumentation for all nations that sells to Pakistan and to India. The US does it, the Europeans does it, the Brazilians does and even China would do it, if we had no common borderline. At the end, they all want to make money and apart from all political relations, that's an important matter too, which is why China has so much economical relations with India, although being Pakistans prime partner today right?

The only twin engine fighter that makes sense for PAF, would be a stealth fighter in future, but today a cost-effective fleet in good numbers are more important.

I agree in the most part with this. PAF main priority should be to get a cost-effective fleet, that can deter any aggression from it's neighbors, not to show off to the world "look at how expensive our fleet is!". This is the reason why the JF-17 was built in the first place, it was to have a fighter that was as capable as Pakistan's older F-16s, sanction proof and most of all CHEAP to produce and maintain. The J-10 will probably not be sold in large numbers to PAF because it simply can't afford to buy any high tech air systems right now, which is what the J-10 would be.

 

[Munir]

Cost effective? They had after F16a/b nothing new... Just added some F16c/d but bought lots of second hand Mirages, cheap F7's and now busy with fourth gen fighterjet that costs 1/3 of what opponents cost... Who needs learning about cost effective?