Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Keysersoze]

Don't know about the rest of you guys but would love to see a aircraft that looks like a frog from behind

 

[kungpaochicken]

Don't know about the rest of you guys but would love to see a aircraft that looks like a frog from behind

frogs can be very cute as well

 

[Jihad]

frogs can be very cute as well

LOL, well the J10 plane is still shredded in clouds, China is keeping it a good secret.
The plane shouldn't be cute though, we need it to be deadly..

 

[mean_bird]

There are rumors going around in CDF that Chengdu is developing a new enhanced model of J10, it was internally referred as "big eye froggy", because it is a twin engine semi stealthy plane that looks like a frog from behind. It could be a natural extension of framed guestimation by Chinese bloggers after the leak of J10B pictures over internet, (the long-rumored DSI version just revealed to be reality, why not the twin engine version?). But who knows, even US can only equip with limited amount of 4th gen fighters, China may have to resort to a solution which is less expensive and quicker to be implemented.

Can you please post a few links to where this rumor is being discussed?

 

[kungpaochicken]

well if you read Chinese and have the patience to go through 800 threads filled with jargons and teasing phrases in cjdby.net, you may find words such as "big eye frogie" or "the ribbon(4th gen fighter)shows up with much higher frequency recently. Sometime back when PPL start talking about "upturned beak J10" , I thought that was just bragging :-D

 

[kungpaochicken]

The so called big eye frogie was believed to be the twin engine version of J10, however recent rumors sugguest that 611 won out the 4th gen design and j14 will be a canard layout. This raises some serious debates on whether or not it is feasible to use a canard while achieving stealth capability at the same time. Most of the post express doubt over the design but it seems the info came from at least two different sources

 

[Munir]

its offered

but can the govt afford the meteor?

it costs 1.5 million dollars PER MISSILE

thats almost 4x more than aim-120 c5, 15x more than pl-12, 2x more than the aim-120 d.

and the R series prices are not listed, but expect them to be 1.5x cheaper then the aim-120 series.

and 500 aim-120 c5's are already ordered and they're pretty good but 500 is a low quantity compared to about 3000-5000 bvr missiles the IAF has.

dont deny this because in 5 years there will be 500+1000 pl 12 which equals 1500. if u can get 1500 in 5 years than the IAF can easily get over 5000 in 20 years.

That is peanuts cause the plane that carries cost a lot more. Even the training of the pilot is more expensive...

 

[Tempest II]

Here 1st photo from xinhui on CDF. The other 2 from Hellraiser and on CDF too.

 

[Munir]

Some people tend to make hype out of nothing. Those yellow black lines are formation lights... They skipped the bulbs (RCS and easy to see for enemies). Now you can turn it on, dim it and even close the light... So only planes very next to you can see you. Nothing else. It is on many other planes.

 

[FC-20]

can any one tell if AESA is on cards for J-10B n which AESA will be used ofr J-10B??

 

[Patriot]

Nobody knows.It's a highly secret project.I guess by the time PAF will get these babies then AESA RADARs will be quite cheap compared to today's cost.

 

[Arsalan]

Nobody knows.It's a highly secret project.I guess by the time PAF will get these babies then AESA RADARs will be quite cheap compared to today's cost.

well i wish its not so long that the radar get cheap!!
i wish and hope we get em soon!!



regards!

 

[hj786]

can any one tell if AESA is on cards for J-10B n which AESA will be used ofr J-10B??

Take a look at the J-10B's nose.



You probably know that the grey part is where the radar is. Notice the straight line between the grey part and the yellow fuselage. The line is at an angle. Many believe this means J-10B will have an ESA (also known as phased array) radar . Why?

Fighters with normal Slotted Array Radars have an antenna that sits straight because a Slotted Array Radar can only send signals straight. The problem with keeping the antenna straight is that it reflects the enemy's radar signals straight back to the enemy.

Phased Array Radars (same as AESA or PESA) are special because they can send signals at any angle between 0 and 180 degrees. They can have an antenna that sits at an angle, so enemy radar signals don't bounce straight back, they bounce at an angle away from the enemy.

Basically, the photos make it looks like J-10B will have a phased array radar, either AESA or PESA. Some Chinese fellows say it will be AESA because China has already developed AESA radars for ships and AWACS aeroplanes. Problem is, AESA radars for fighters are VERY difficult to develop, so many people do not believe that. Even Europe does not have a AESA radars in its latest fighters just yet, only PESA and normal Slotted Array. But PESA radars for fighters are easier to develop, so J-10B may have PESA.

To summarise, either J-10B will have a phased array radar or China is trying to fool us all into believing it will.

 

[Munir]

Good post! We probably should know that at this moment the plane has no radar but fake weight installed. Then again the Tornado had during its operational years no radar! I think China has enough capability to get into PESA and AESA. The only problem for the next 4-5 years is a high performance engine...

 

[pakpower]

No matter which Radar will be fit in the J10b dont worry guys PAF should take good care of the IAF from every angle.