Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[cloneman]

looks like Twin seater Trainer and Attack version

Currentlly there's no J-10BS,all the trainning work will be done on the J-10AS.

 

[propakistani]

China Gives J-10s Away

August 4, 2011: China recently announced that it would give Pakistan a squadron of J-10B fighter-bombers. That would be about twelve aircraft, which have been offered for export, for about half what the similar F-16 costs . The only buyer so far has been Pakistan, which ordered 36 J-10As earlier this year, with the goal of eventually getting 150. So the offer to Pakistan is mainly promotional (to get a foreign "customer" who can say what swell aircraft the J-10B is) and partly political (to show what a good ally China is, coming to the aid of Pakistan when the United States is threatening to cut the billions of dollars a year Pakistan has been receiving.)

However, the J-10 is the kind of gift most air forces would rather not receive. The J-10 is a strange, and dubious, war bird. Moreover, it was only two years ago that China publicly admitted that its new J-10s jet fighter existed. This despite the fact that the J-10 had entered service six years earlier, and there were plenty of J-10 photos on the Internet.

There are only about 200 J-10s are in service, most of them the original J-10As. they are being offered to export customers for about $42 million each. Currently, China is producing 2-3 J-10s a month.

The new and improved J-10B model carries improved electronics, including better radar warning, a laser range finder and targeting electronics. The new nose cone looks like the one on the F-16, indicating that the J-10B is to be fitted with an AESA (phased array) radar (which is more capable and more reliable than older types, but also more expensive.) The cockpit also has a larger and more detailed HUD (Head Up Display). The J-10B is apparently a much more effective aircraft than the J-10A.

But the J-10 already has a reputation as a maintenance nightmare, and that the Chinese are having a hard time keeping the aircraft operational in reasonable numbers. But the J-10 is the first modern jet fighter designed and built in China. The aircraft is an attempt to create a modern fighter-bomber that could compete with foreign designs. The experiment was not completely successful.

Work on the J-10 began over twenty years ago, in an attempt to develop an aircraft that could compete with the Russian MiG-29s and Su-27s, and the American F-16. But the first prototype did not fly until 1998. There were problems, and it wasn't until 2000 that the basic design flaws were fixed. By 2002, nine prototypes had been built, and flight testing was going forward to find, and fix, hundreds of smaller problems. It was a great learning experience for Chinese engineers, but it was becoming apparent that the J10 was not going to be competitive with the Su-27s/30s China was buying from Russia.

The J-10 looks something like the American F-16, and weighs about the same (19 tons). Like the F-16, and unlike the Su-27, the J-10 has only one engine. Originally, the J-10 used a Russian AL-31FN engine, but China has been working for a decade to manufacture their own version of this, the WS10A. The WS10A is something of an acid test for them, as it is a powerful military engine, and a complex piece of work. Russia refused to license China to produce the AL-31FN, so the Chinese stole as much of the technology as they could and designed the WS10A. This engine has been tested, and officially approved for production, but apparently still has quality control and performance problems.

It's no accident that the J-10 resembles the F-16, because Israel apparently sold them technology for the Israeli Lavi jet fighter. Israel abandoned the Lavi project, because of the high cost and availability of cheaper alternatives (buying F-16s and F-15s from the United States.) But the Lavi was meant to be a super F-16, and incorporated a lot of design ideas from the F-16 (which the Israelis were very familiar with, as they used them, and had developed new components for them.)

 

[propakistani]

China’s J-10B fighter to Pak worries India

Published: Thursday, Aug 4, 2011, 15:26 IST
By Hemanth CS | Place: Bangalore | Agency: DNA

The recent official offer of the Chinese to raise a squadron of its home-grown advanced multi-role, all-weather fighter aircraft J-10B to Pakistan has worried Indian defence experts. Pakistan will be the only other country apart from China to have this sophisticated fighter aircraft.

Air Commodore (Retd) Jasjit Singh, director, New Delhi-based Centre for Air Power Studies (CAPS), told DNA: “India now not only faces the possibility of a two-front war but has to also deal with a two-front military modernisation programme with China supplying its latest weaponry to Pakistan.”

He said India faces a 10-year window of vulnerability as the Indian Air Force’s (IAF’s) present squadron of 34 is way below the sanctioned strength of 39 squadrons. “It will take 10 years for the IAF to get back to its sanctioned strength of 39 squadrons. While Pakistan at present, with 24 squadrons, is raising its strength rapidly with China’s support,” said Singh, who is also the former director of Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis.

Former Vice Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal PK Barbora, however, said China’s offering Pakistan a squadron of the J-10s may not threaten India’s air superiority. “China does not have a great record of producing a world-class aircraft. All they do is reverse engineer and manufacture aircraft. Secondly, by raising just one squadron Pakistan may not benefit much,” he said.

However, Pakistani media reports indicate that it is looking at raising two squadrons of the fourth generation aircraft to counter India’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, which is still under development. Besides, according to US military and defence technology news website, Defense Update, the Chinese designed Joint Fighter (JF)-17 (commonly known as ‘Thunder&#8217 is already under production in Pakistan and is actively being promoted for export in the world market.

Despite his optimism, Air Marshal Barbora warned that the slow pace of India’s defence indigenisation (read LCA Tejas, in particular) is a cause for worry. “We will be adding 300 more Su-30 MKIs; getting 126 medium multi role combat aircraft; and upgrading the Mirage 2000s, Jaguars and the MiG-29s. The same cannot be said of some pathetic status of indigenous programmes like the Light Combat Aircraft, which has been delayed for years now,” he says.

 

[propakistani]

WoW! We are inducting J-10B just to counter LCA. I liked this part of the news

 

[WAQAS119]

However, Pakistani media reports indicate that it is looking at raising two squadrons of the fourth generation aircraft to counter India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas

Which Pakistani media report?

 

[propakistani]

ask Air Commodore (Retd) Jasjit Singh

 

[ziaulislam]

funny is that they are comparing china of 80s and early 90s with china of 210s i.e 20 years of incrdedible growth, development and access to russian tecn is ignored...
its like comparing america of 1920s to america of 1950s ..or germany of 1920s to germany of 1940s..

20-25 years of magnificent growth making it second largest and soon to be largest econ (by 2016) having the abliity to intiate a sucessful 5th gen aircraft is been down credited by saying it has a history of reverse engineering other aircfts ...its good for us if the enemy under estimates us..

 

[Manticore]

 

[abaseen99]

U.S.: China will sell Pakistan F-10B squadron equipped with bar one (1)
2011-08-02 09:51:54 People [ big in small】

J-10B fighter
According to the U.S. Defense-Update Web site on July 31 reported that China would provide Pakistan with a J-10B multi-purpose all-weather fighter squadron. Allegedly, this is the Department of the Army Chief of Staff in Pakistan went to NATO Wayi De Assad's visit a week finalized. If the transaction fulfillment, Pakistan, China will become the first column after the J-10B fighters mounted the country.
Reported that China and Pakistan have been related to J-10 fighters on the transactions related to years of negotiations, which Pakistan wants to import at least two fighter squadrons. It is believed that the transaction referred to in B-type aircraft performance comparable to the F-16 Block 50/52 aircraft.
U.S. media said, in addition to the J-10B fighter to reach an agreement outside the Wayi De Assad will visit to China, the Chinese defense relations between the two countries also pledged to rise to a new height during the visit, Wye de Sade visited the People's Liberation Army Deputy Chief of Staff and others.
U.S. media said that at present, Pakistan has also started production designed by the Chinese JF-17 fighter. Pakistan is currently building its territory JF-17 fighter, and actively promote this aircraft to the overseas market.
U.S. media said the latest J-10B fighter first flight in 2009. J-10 fighter with a significant difference is the installation of a radar signal can be reduced new aircraft radome. In addition to the radome, the redesign of the inlet in addition to increased gas flow, but also to improve the aircraft's stealth performance. J-10B fighter vertical tail, the cabin pylons are fitted with electronic equipment, which may include a variety of sensors and electronic warfare facilities. This type of aircraft is also fitted with a new type of optical sensor, is likely to be infrared search and track sensor (IRST). It is believed that, compared with the J-10A type, B-type aircraft can be equipped with more powerful engines and radar systems. (By China) ???10B ?1?--?_?

 

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[krash]

Why dont we see it on current J-10As/B?

The J-10 initially, as was the case with the F-16 too, was not designed and hence not plumbed for CFTs i.e. the fuel lines to attach the CFTs to the aircraft do not exist. In the case of F-16s it was only later that the CFTs were designed and made to fit on the later blocks. As will now be the case with the J-10, provided the CFTs do actually make their way to the aircraft. Both the aircraft originally were designed for max performance output. But later on the CFTs were/will be introduced with the idea of increasing the range with minimal performance loss. They come as an 'attachment' so as to allow the user to enjoy the aircraft's max performance perimeters when extra fuel is not needed while at the same time allowing them extra range with minimal performance loss by attaching the CFTs in a few minutes.

 

[Bratva]

Sorry for Bit off topic but anyone who can help me finding Eagle Hannon Post in which he revealed J-10 will be here in December and he criticized PAF for going after more F-16's......?

 

[Manticore]

^its posted by me , roughly 25 pages back , give or take

07-21/22-2011