Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Beast]

Haha... Kansa author can only asked Russian. This Russian know nuts abt Chinese stuff. That picture of pesa on j-10b is an old prototype. Just becos it's the only photo leaked out with radome open and they claimed it's pesa.

Nanjing institute responsible for radar already claimed it's aesa. Does the institute operate by Russian? Lol.

 

[pshamim]

Relations between Pakistan and USA are deteriorating by the day and have become pretty nasty. Super Power US has started to engage in Tit for Tat policy against USA. After Pakistan put restrictions on US national.s free movement, US threatened the same and Pakistan caved in today and lifted the restriction.

Now comes the unbelievable part. After China made an offer to sell J-10B to Pakistan, Hillary Clinton mad a pitch to India and offered to sell F-35 for $65 million a copy to India-well below the actual price. I really do not know if that is a Gidar Bhapki since F-35 are supposed to be sold to the partners first. Exception is as usual Israel, unless US sells out of its stock. Wonder if the partners have any veto power.

Also this may be a carrot which may push away the Indians from Europeans and reposition Lockheed martin.



Clinton’s ‘Unbelievable’ Pitch to India

Posted: August 2, 2011 | Author: blondefletch | Filed under: Breaking News | Tags: Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, F-35, Hillary Rodham Clinton, India, Indian Air Force, JSF, New Delhi, Procurement, United States, United States Secretary of State |

An unprecedented step by the US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton has been made in India following her trip to New Delhi last week, a report from Eurasia.net states. She has stated the US’ willingness to offer the state-of-the-art F-35 warplanes to India at the bargain price of $65 Million each.

Compare this to the $85 Million an Dassault Rafale would cost, or the $125 Million that a Eurofighter Typhoon was offered at, its clear to see how big a step this is. Analysts will obviously suggest that the US are trying to establish a stronger level of military sales in the area, but why is yet to be seen. The recent failure by American companies to procure a $10.4 Billion contract for the Indian Air Force could be partially to blame, but also the transition of F-35 to a production model of late means that it has only just become eligible for the IAF proposal that was originally laid out. Not to mention the offer yesterday China made to Pakistan to give an entire squadron of brand new J-10B’s recently put into production. Maybe this is a fore planned counter move by the US? Either way, expect more on this as the proposal develops.

http://aerofutures.wordpress.com/201...itch-to-india

 

[fatman17]

Date Posted: 02-Aug-2011

Chengdu J-10 fighters may have been tested with Taihang engine

Ted Parsons JDW Correspondent - Washington, DC.



Recently surfaced images indicate that the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) J-10 fighter has passed a significant milestone in being tested with an indigenous Chinese turbofan. The engine in question is most probably a version of the WS-10A Taihang.

The nearly 200 J-10A fighters manufactured to date have been powered by the 12,745 kg (28,100 lb) thrust Russian Saturn AL-31FN, which features a relocated engine gearbox to fit the J-10A airframe. A USD500 million order in early July for 123 Al-31FNs brought Chengdu's total order for the powerplants to 399.

Unconfirmed reports emerged from the November 2010 Zhuhai Airshow that a J-10 had been tested with a version of the WS-10 turbofan. However, images taken in late July at the CAC test field show a prototype J-10B fighter powered by a version of the WS-10A with a distinctly shorter tailpipe. Chinese reports indicate the J-10B, which first emerged in early 2009, could enter full production later this year. Recent construction at CAC has resulted in an expansion of production facilities to accommodate future J-20 fifth-generation fighter production and perhaps expanded production of the J-10. The J-10B also features a redesigned engine inlet, plus a new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, new electronic warfare systems and an infrared tracking system.

Although it is not yet certain that the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) will adopt the WS-10A powered J-10B, this fighter would not face the foreign sales restrictions of the Al-31FN powered J-10A and would offer the PLAAF a means for accelerating J-10 production. However, the source for Chengdu's Taihang engines is less clear, as this engine currently produced by the Shenyang Liming Engine Company, is thought to be dedicated to producing the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation's J-11B and J-15 twin engine fighters. However, recent Chinese reports indicate that the No 430 Factory of the X'ian Aeroengine Company and the No 460 Factory of the Guizhou Liyang Machinery Company, a longstanding CAC partner, may also be involved in partial or complete Taihang production. An expansion of WS-10 production as well as its adoption for the J-10 would indicate a higher Chinese confidence in this engine than has been credited by recent Western assessments.


i have been stating all along on this forum that China could not sell the J-10A to Pakistan because of the re-export restrictions placed on its Russian engine. now that significant progress seems to have been made with the chinese engine, a batch of J-10B is being offered for T&E to the PAF before large numbers are inducted in its inventory.

 

[fatman17]

Relations between Pakistan and USA are deteriorating by the day and have become pretty nasty. Super Power US has started to engage in Tit for Tat policy against USA. After Pakistan put restrictions on US national.s free movement, US threatened the same and Pakistan caved in today and lifted the restriction.

Now comes the unbelievable part. After China made an offer to sell J-10B to Pakistan, Hillary Clinton mad a pitch to India and offered to sell F-35 for $65 million a copy to India-well below the actual price. I really do not know if that is a Gidar Bhapki since F-35 are supposed to be sold to the partners first. Exception is as usual Israel, unless US sells out of its stock. Wonder if the partners have any veto power.

Also this may be a carrot which may push away the Indians from Europeans and reposition Lockheed martin.



Clinton’s ‘Unbelievable’ Pitch to India

Posted: August 2, 2011 | Author: blondefletch | Filed under: Breaking News | Tags: Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, F-35, Hillary Rodham Clinton, India, Indian Air Force, JSF, New Delhi, Procurement, United States, United States Secretary of State |

An unprecedented step by the US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton has been made in India following her trip to New Delhi last week, a report from Eurasia.net states. She has stated the US’ willingness to offer the state-of-the-art F-35 warplanes to India at the bargain price of $65 Million each.

Compare this to the $85 Million an Dassault Rafale would cost, or the $125 Million that a Eurofighter Typhoon was offered at, its clear to see how big a step this is. Analysts will obviously suggest that the US are trying to establish a stronger level of military sales in the area, but why is yet to be seen. The recent failure by American companies to procure a $10.4 Billion contract for the Indian Air Force could be partially to blame, but also the transition of F-35 to a production model of late means that it has only just become eligible for the IAF proposal that was originally laid out. Not to mention the offer yesterday China made to Pakistan to give an entire squadron of brand new J-10B’s recently put into production. Maybe this is a fore planned counter move by the US? Either way, expect more on this as the proposal develops.

http://aerofutures.wordpress.com/201...itch-to-india

$65m for F-35 seems un-believable!!!. its less than a F-16C/D Blk 60.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Finally the desease is catching.....................................

Relations between Pakistan and USA are deteriorating by the day and have become pretty nasty. Super Power US has started to engage in Tit for Tat policy against USA. After Pakistan put restrictions on US national.s free movement, US threatened the same and Pakistan caved in today and lifted the restriction.

Now comes the unbelievable part. After China made an offer to sell J-10B to Pakistan, Hillary Clinton mad a pitch to India and offered to sell F-35 for $65 million a copy to India-well below the actual price. I really do not know if that is a Gidar Bhapki since F-35 are supposed to be sold to the partners first. Exception is as usual Israel, unless US sells out of its stock. Wonder if the partners have any veto power.

Also this may be a carrot which may push away the Indians from Europeans and reposition Lockheed martin.



Clinton’s ‘Unbelievable’ Pitch to India

Posted: August 2, 2011 | Author: blondefletch | Filed under: Breaking News | Tags: Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, F-35, Hillary Rodham Clinton, India, Indian Air Force, JSF, New Delhi, Procurement, United States, United States Secretary of State |

An unprecedented step by the US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton has been made in India following her trip to New Delhi last week, a report from Eurasia.net states. She has stated the US’ willingness to offer the state-of-the-art F-35 warplanes to India at the bargain price of $65 Million each.

Compare this to the $85 Million an Dassault Rafale would cost, or the $125 Million that a Eurofighter Typhoon was offered at, its clear to see how big a step this is. Analysts will obviously suggest that the US are trying to establish a stronger level of military sales in the area, but why is yet to be seen. The recent failure by American companies to procure a $10.4 Billion contract for the Indian Air Force could be partially to blame, but also the transition of F-35 to a production model of late means that it has only just become eligible for the IAF proposal that was originally laid out. Not to mention the offer yesterday China made to Pakistan to give an entire squadron of brand new J-10B’s recently put into production. Maybe this is a fore planned counter move by the US? Either way, expect more on this as the proposal develops.

http://aerofutures.wordpress.com/201...itch-to-india

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Another screw up of PAF---pak def minister and pakistani fans on this forum and other forums as well-----when you get something ---- don't go about bragging what you are getting and what you are going to do with it---before actually getting it in your possession.

These stupid idiots go to china----and then yell at the top of their lungs what they are going to buy---which changes the balance of power.

With this news---the game has been taken to a new pleateau----pakistanis will never learn---possibly they don't have the capacity to learn-----I mean to say----come ask yourself----who could do blunders like that over and over----again and again---fall on their faces all the time-----.

 

[houshanghai]

The Kanwa magazine is never a reliable source about chinese military .The editor-in-chief of Kanwa named Andrei Pinkov ,who is a chinese and have a japenese wife.then he launched out on a military magazine in Canada. His predictions are always wrong about Chinese military and all chinese military fans like playing jokes on Pinkov.

 

[pshamim]

I think that nothing will come out of it. This may very well be a package deal offered and F-35 is only one part of it. God knows what the other things are in the package but they may come with a price which India may not be willing to pay.

Then another party to this deal will be DOD. They must agree with the State department for the deal to go through even though India may go for the bait. There have been ocassions before when DOD has refused to go along State department's grand policies and killing its grandstanding proposals in the process.

 

[pshamim]

Hi,

Another screw up of PAF---pak def minister and pakistani fans on this forum and other forums as well-----when you get something ---- don't go about bragging what you are getting and what you are going to do with it---before actually getting it in your possession.

These stupid idiots go to china----and then yell at the top of their lungs what they are going to buy---which changes the balance of power.
With this news---the game has been taken to a new pleateau----pakistanis will never learn---possibly they don't have the capacity to learn-----I mean to say----come ask yourself----who could do blunders like that over and over----again and again---fall on their faces all the time-----.

My children----there is very little hope left for you----.

Khan Saheb,
In this instance, the statement was made by senior Chinese military leaders and not the Pakistanis.

 

[mymeaningislion]

so bandar k hath churi dene ka irada ha miss haliry ka

 

[showstopper]

I don't buy the balance of power argument. Providing India with F-35s to go along with the PAK-FA, Su-30 and Rafale/Typhoon doesn't sound like balance to me.

a) US is hell-bent on using India as a counterweight to China, Pakistan's concerns be damned
or
b) US desperately needs to increase the orders for the F-35 in order to control the costs.

There is, of course, the strong possibility that this rumour is a pile of rubbish. That's what I'm hoping, anyway.

 

[pshamim]

And if you read closely, it is for the basic unit. I am sure it will not fly in India. I agree this could be rubbish though reported widely by news outlets.

 

[showstopper]

Agreed. The most suspicious detail is that $65 million per unit price tag. The American military said that the aircraft to be procured in 2012 will cost more than 200 million dollars each. And Hillary Clinton just walks in and offers it to India at a third of the price?

To the moderators, my apologies for contributing to thread derailment. Back to the FC-20 we go.

 

[ANG]

Hi, Hillary might have offered the F-35, but I doubt India would take the bait. India seems to be fully commited to buying over 250+ PAK-FA stealth fighters from Russia, and plans to build these planes in house.

Moreover, India seems to have more "bone in its back" and has a more independent foreign policy than Pakistan. Meaning, I doubt they would buy F-35s filled with bugs and kill switches and also limited by the amount of technology transfer. The US never gives out source code, whereas the Europeans and Russian do.

 

[ziaulislam]

well i thought india should have become a partner in f-35 a level 2 or 3 ..
the fly away cost for f-35 would be around 110-120 million for a project partner but f-35 is far superior than any existing plateforms (other than ofcourse f-22 and pakfa)