Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[kungfugymnast]

I think you have under estimate the capabilities of J-8F and JH-7A, they may not be so maneuverable than 4th jet fighter but they have the range, capacity to house modern avionic and payload to complete a lot of modern task. All J-7 series plane have relegate to training role only. But the J-8 and JH-7A series still have plenty to offer. Their huge nose cone can house even AESA if needed. JH-7A combat radius is so good that even refuel pod is not needed. They can become very fearsome interceptor or carry out bomb attack when needed.

J-8F with guided glided bomb

JH-7A with precision land attack missile.

F-111G/F has even better range on internal fuel alone flying at low level supersonic that F-15E can't match. Yet US phased out the F-111F that could pull more than 5G better turn rate than J-8 & JH-7. Reason being when deployed to war out of sudden spotted and pursued by enemy fighters will be deadly. JH-7 even with PL-10 for self defense is useless against AMRAAM, its poor handling limit its evasive maneuver success rate. US fighters would launch 2 AMRAAM missiles at every target, you spoof 1 have to spoof the 2nd. US fighters always outnumbering their enemies.

J-7 sent to flight training school for new recruits fine. Modernizing J-8 and JH-7 is wasting resources. Present air to air tactics, if you put J-8 with AESA up against US Navy F/A-18E, the F18 launched 2 AIM-120C7 at every J-8, the J-8 needs to perform evasive maneuver turning inside missile while spoofing chaff. The J-8 could hardly pull 5G to get its back facing the AMRAAM before performing the move, probably missile already reaching its side exposing large wing surface giving large RCS to the missile's radar. J-8 pilot could only level flight and spoof chaff but side RCS is still larger and most likely hit by the AMRAAM. Getting splashed is 1 but if its entire squadron of J-8 destroyed (due to poor maneuverability unable to perform evasive maneuver), the US F18s would proceed into air to ground sorties destroying friendly tanks, supplies, base on the ground.

 

[Beast]

F-111G/F has even better range on internal fuel alone flying at low level supersonic that F-15E can't match. Yet US phased out the F-111F that could pull more than 5G better turn rate than J-8 & JH-7. Reason being when deployed to war out of sudden spotted and pursued by enemy fighters will be deadly. JH-7 even with PL-10 for self defense is useless against AMRAAM, its poor handling limit its evasive maneuver success rate. US fighters would launch 2 AMRAAM missiles at every target, you spoof 1 have to spoof the 2nd. US fighters always outnumbering their enemies.

F-111 is pulled out becos of the complicated and high maintenance sweep wing. JH-7A has none. The simple fixed sweep wing is easy to maintain and service, long legged, huge space for further avionics upgrade. Twin WS-9II turbofan that consume very little fuel while offer 7-8 tons payload which is decent for a fighter bomber. JH-7A is gonna to stay in PLAAF and PLANAF service for decades to come.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

JH-7A is gonna to stay in PLAAF and PLANAF service for decades to come.

Yeah, no. Those things belong in a museum.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Yeah, no. Those things belong in a museum.

Agree, also the recycling plant is where obsolete JH-7 & J-8 should belong.

F-111 is pulled out becos of the complicated and high maintenance sweep wing. JH-7A has none. The simple fixed sweep wing is easy to maintain and service, long legged, huge space for further avionics upgrade. Twin WS-9II turbofan that consume very little fuel while offer 7-8 tons payload which is decent for a fighter bomber. JH-7A is gonna to stay in PLAAF and PLANAF service for decades to come.

JH-7 is also seriously underpowered with numbers of crashes. It's more of liability flying coffin for pilots when war happens. The poor maneuverability would make it difficult to evade and spoof incoming missiles. It is easy target for US Navy fighters and ships. Remember the J-8 that failed to perform harassment move ended up with stalling and hit by US EP-3C Orion? It was really humiliating for PLAAF at that time.

 

[Deino]

Guys, can we stay both on topic and remain realistic? There si no need to discuss the JH-7A and J-8F in the J-10 thread!

 

[Pepsi Cola]

Agree, also the recycling plant is where obsolete JH-7 & J-8 should belong.



JH-7 is also seriously underpowered with numbers of crashes. It's more of liability flying coffin for pilots when war happens. The poor maneuverability would make it difficult to evade and spoof incoming missiles. It is easy target for US Navy fighters and ships. Remember the J-8 that failed to perform harassment move ended up with stalling and hit by US EP-3C Orion? It was really humiliating for PLAAF at that time.

if you want to make so many comments just go make your own thread...

 

[kungfugymnast]

Guys, can we stay both on topic and remain realistic? There si no need to discuss the JH-7A and J-8F in the J-10 thread!

The topic is about J-10C replacing ageing JH-7A and J-8F for air to air and air to ground roles.

JH-7A is like SEPECAT Jaguar and Mitsubishi F-1, already obsolete. J-10C with optronic FLIR pod could designate ground targets for laser guided missiles and bombs. More air to ground compact multi-purpose missiles and bombs will be developed for taking out enemy ground vehicles, SAMs, troops, bunkers, base, etc meant for fighters like J-10C, J-16. Before this, JH-7A roles mostly focus on anti-ship and dropping unguided bombs.

In air to air, the J-10C has the radar, IRST, HMC, RWR with some ECCM defenses against enemy ECM giving it better chance of survival against US F/A-18E/F, F-15C and some chance to get into visual range engagement with F-22, F-35.

 

[LKJ86]

The topic is about J-10C replacing ageing JH-7A and J-8F for air to air and air to ground roles.

J-16 and J-20 are to replace JH-7/A and J-8, while J-10C to J-7.

So, There is no need to discuss the JH-7A and J-8F in the J-10 thread!

 

[Maxpane]

How many j 10 s are active in plaaf?

 

[LKJ86]

How many j 10 s are active in plaaf?

Over 500.

 

[zhxy]

Over 500.

Quantity of 500 pieces is too much.

The J-31 project has been sluggish for years due to lack of funds. China can spend hundreds of billions of dollars on procurement, maintenance, expert training ... for J-10 but can't add another 2-4 billion to ShenYang

 

[LKJ86]

Quantity of 500 pieces is too much.

It is still not enough to China.
How many F-16s does USA have?

 

[Maxpane]

Over 500.

i mean j 10 s dual seaters

 

[LKJ86]

i mean j 10 s dual seaters

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chinese-air-force-plaaf-news-discussions.84214/page-151#post-11733387

The J-31 project has been sluggish for years due to lack of funds.

Funny...
PLAAF and PLAN were just waiting for the development of J-20, and considered what they really needed next.

 

[LKJ86]

J-10C

By 杨军