Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[wangrong]

Wangrong, are the BVR missile on these J-10 PL-11 or PL-12 ??

From the fin design of the missile they look like PL-11.

PL8 and PL11

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

yesterday i was watching Future Weapons-JSF part 1 on you tube i saw something that sent a spark in my brain
while watching this movie there comes a scene where there are two models (likely F-22 and JF-35) but for a split second the camera turns to the other ones and you know what?
i saw this! (i have encircled it)

it can be seen for only a second or less than that.so what that could a twin tail canard fighter be doing over there? (The JXX in IMHO) (perhaps they are considering its potential compition in designing JSF
I posted in JXX thread but it is inactive need some comments on this

dear thats not j-xx.
hav u lost ur mind,u want to see chinese j-xx on english chaneel Discovery with USAF top stealth aircrafts on table.
americans n britains will never demonstrate or show any aircraft which is not from there forces.
now listen carefully this aircraft is an x-plane on usaf,i dont really know that it is underconstuction or rejected experment.but i found it nearly 2 years ago when i was searching for x-32,and its name is x32too.

i dont know much about it,but its a Boings or LHMs aircraft.and i think its a STOVL bird much similar to F-35.the aircraft in ur pic is much more similar to its structure.
i hope this works
regards

 

[Arsalan]

dear thats not j-xx.
hav u lost ur mind,u want to see chinese j-xx on english chaneel Discovery with USAF top stealth aircrafts on table.
americans n britains will never demonstrate or show any aircraft which is not from there forces.
now listen carefully this aircraft is an x-plane on usaf,i dont really know that it is underconstuction or rejected experment.but i found it nearly 2 years ago when i was searching for x-32,and its name is x32too.

i dont know much about it,but its a Boings or LHMs aircraft.and i think its a STOVL bird much similar to F-35.the aircraft in ur pic is much more similar to its structure.
i hope this works
regards

X32 was a boeing project, a contestant of JSF programme in which it was beaten by F35!
the pic mentioned here is not an X32, i doubt it to be a chines jet but still cannot say anything about the project as it is something that is not public!
anyways here is a brief report about X32, i hope this will help you and hasnain!

The Boeing X-32 was a multi-purpose jet fighter in the Joint Strike Fighter contest. It lost to the Lockheed Martin X-35 demonstrator which was further developed into the F-35 Lightning II.

Boeing X-32 - JSF prototype

regards!

 

[Arsalan]

well i have somethng to add!
yes i searched on that pic and have fond some thing realting to it!

it seems to be some sort of platform to be used by NASA. well danger_zone you were absolutely right, the link claim the thing to be an X32 but it is different from the X32 we know about!
here is the link:
The latest X projects..., page 1

i guess hasnain this will clear the situation to some extent, yes is a generation X platform but for NASA and not for USAF!but to add aother twist in the tail, thw plane in the pic is carrying USAF markings!!!!
CONFUSED??? ??? so am i!!!!

 

[SBD-3]

but look at the design of the X-32 and the one encircled the X-32 wing shape is daimond whereas the one encircled is a proper delta shape and furthermore the fan on the top is also missing and also canards are much bigger than X-32 and twin tails are at the wings rather than at the end of the wing

 

[Arsalan]

i am refering to the pics that danger zone have posted. that one and the one you have encircled apper to be the same!

 

[SBD-3]

i am refering to the pics that danger zone have posted. that one and the one you have encircled apper to be the same!

here is what i m talking about

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

well i have somethng to add!
yes i searched on that pic and have fond some thing realting to it!

it seems to be some sort of platform to be used by NASA. well danger_zone you were absolutely right, the link claim the thing to be an X32 but it is different from the X32 we know about!
here is the link:
The latest X projects..., page 1

i guess hasnain this will clear the situation to some extent, yes is a generation X platform but for NASA and not for USAF!but to add aother twist in the tail, thw plane in the pic is carrying USAF markings!!!!
CONFUSED??? ??? so am i!!!!

no arsalan i said that its name is also x32,well i know about boing x32 very much.and this is an preety old aircraft and its first xperiment was done a few years after x35 n x32,i saw this plane on Aerospaceweb.org | Reference for Aviation, Space, Design, and Engineering almost two or threeyears ago,i donty really remeber when!but now they have delete its database from there,thats why i cant tell u more about it.but its picturs r still on internet with the name x32.

here is what i m talking about

hey hasnain,the picture i hav posted here is of first PT about 8 to ten years old.i think they have changed its sturcture a little bit.and the lifting fan,it would be covered like F35.that is not much different from my pic just a few angels of stabilater,wings and canards r different and other things r same.like the first yf22 and product f22 r very different from each other,if u try to observe.
if this aircraft is still under development,then they might have changed its structure a little bit like f22.

 

[SBD-3]

no arsalan i said that its name is also x32,well i know about boing x32 very much.and this is an preety old aircraft and its first xperiment was done a few years after x35 n x32,i saw this plane on Aerospaceweb.org | Reference for Aviation, Space, Design, and Engineering almost two or threeyears ago,i donty really remeber when!but now they have delete its database from there,thats why i cant tell u more about it.but its picturs r still on internet with the name x32.


hey hasnain,the picture i hav posted here is of first PT about 8 to ten years old.i think they have changed its sturcture a little bit.and the lifting fan,it would be covered like F35.that is not much different from my pic just a few angels of stabilater,wings and canards r different and other things r same.like the first yf22 and product f22 r very different from each other,if u try to observe.
if this aircraft is still under development,then they might have changed its structure a little bit like f22.

still under development? i mean USAF has scraped most of the x planes latest X-44 MANTA that was 6th gen .With two 5 gen in pocket why US would waste funds on third??

 

[ironman]

Some more Information to an already existing post.

FC-20 M-MRCA Emerges​

China’s Sichuan-based Chengdu Aerospace Corp (CAC) and its affiliated 611 Institute has begun a hectic but structured flight-test programme for the FC-20 medium multi-role combat aircraft (M-MRCA), whose launch export customer is the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). The PAF has an initial requirement for 36 single-seaters and four tandem-seat operational conversion trainers, and envisages a total requirement for 80 FC-20s distributed among four squadrons. The first single-seat FC-20 prototype was rolled out by CAC last December and it made its maiden flight last March. Derived from the CAC-built J-10A Vigorous Dragon M-MRCA, the FC-20 incorporates an undernose modified lightweight air inlet, redesigned vertical tailfin, strengthened underwing inner pylons designed for carrying standoff precision-guided munitions (PGM) like the glide kit-equipped LS-6, nose-mounted infra-red search-and-track (IRST) system, a glass cockpit equipped with a holographic wide-angle heads-up display (HUD), a pair of inverted-gull wings (with the inner upper portion extending slightly downward, while the outer portion extending flat), a fixed in-flight refuelling probe, a large vertical tail, twin ventral stabilisers for providing greater stability at high angles of attack, and a single AL-31FN-M1 turbofan engine rated at 132.4kN thrust with afterburning. In August 2005 China had inked a US$300 million contract in with Russia’s Rosoboronexport State Corp to acquire an initial 100 such engines. The entire R & D phase of the FC-20 is being carried out under the oversight of China’s state-owned China Aviation Industry Corp (AVIC).

The FC-20 will be able to carry 4.5 tonnes of weapons payload, and will come equipped with 11 hardpoints for carrying a wide range of air combat missiles (both within-visual-range and beyond-visual-range) and PGMs. The FC-20’s performance parameters include a maximum combat radius of 2,540km (1,370nm) in a hi-lo-hi mission profile, or of 1,310km (710nm) in a lo-lo-lo mission profile when carrying a 1,810kg (4,000lb) weapons payload.

The M-MRCA will have an empty weight of 9,750kg, maximum takeoff weight of 19,277kg, internal fuel capacity of 4,500kg, maximum speed of Mach 2 at high altitude and Mach 1.2 at sea level, takeoff run of 500 metres, combat radius of 1,100km, and a service ceiling of 18,000 metres. The FC-20 has a wingspan of 8.78 metres, overall length of 14.57 metres, height of 4.78 metres, and a gross wing area of 33.1 square metres. The airframe features high-quality welding, but is overwhelmingly of metallic construction, with composites accounting for only 12% of the fuselage area. CAC and its affiliated 611 Institute are now preparing to roll-out a tandem-seat deep interdictor variant of the FC-20, which, like the single-seater, will be equipped with a laser target acquisition/designation pod, laser-/GPS-guided PGMs, as well as PL-9C within-visual-range and PL-12 beyond-visual-range air combat missiles built by the Luoyang Opto-Electro Technology Development Centre. Design of this variant of the FC-20 is derived from the J-10B operational conversion trainer that made its maiden flight on December 26, 2003.

The FC-20’s tandem-seat variant will feature a stretched forward fuselage and a single-piece bubble canopy. Its dorsal spine will be enlarged to accommodate those avionics displaced by the rear cockpit. The PAF is widely expected to equip its FC-20s with the SELEX Galileo-built X-band Vixen 500E airborne active phased-array fire-control radar.

The glass cockpit avionics suite will includes a wide-angle holographic HUD with up-front control panel and a video camera, twin monochrome AMLCD-based multifunction displays, a single colour AMLCD head-down display, infra-red sensors for a helmet-mounted sight, hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) controls, ring-laser-gyro-based inertial navigation system, air data computer, ARW-9101A radar warning receiver, Type 634 digital quadruplex fly-by-wire flight control system using a MIL-STD-1553B digital data bus, and a digital fuel management system and stores management system.

The FC-20’s compound delta-wing configuration will offer two important aerodynamic qualities. The swept leading edge of the wing will stay ahead of the shock-wave generated by the FC-20’s nose during supersonic flight, thus making the compound delta-wing a very efficient aerodynamic wing shape for supersonic flight. The leading edge of compound delta-wing will also generate a massive vortex that will attach itself to the upper surface of the wing during high angle-of-attack (AoA) manoeuvres, resulting in very high stall points.
The FC-20’s leading edge extensions at the root of the leading edge of the main wings will remain out of airflow in cruise flight and will be used during high AoA manoeuvres to generate a high-speed vortex that will stay attached to the top of the main wing. This in turn will maintain a low-pressure zone over the upper surface of the wing, generating lift beyond what would have been the stall point for a single delta-wing. The compound delta-wing has another quality significant for the FC-20: this wing profile offers increased survivability by having increased structural and airflow stability.

The FC-20’s twin canard surfaces, unlike a conventional tailplane which they have replaced, will generate positive lift. During high AoA manoeuvres the canard surfaces will stall first. This will cause the nose of the aircraft to pitch down and prevent the main wing from stalling—a valuable feature for a combat aircraft. At the same time, however, the canard surfaces will create a downwash which will degrade the main wing’s performance. Canards will also make it very difficult to apply flaps: normally, extending flaps causes a downward movement of the nose, which is compensated by the tailplane. However, in the FC-20’s case, there is no tailplane and therefore there is nothing required to compensate for the effect of the flaps.

PGMs to be carried by the FC-20 will include China National Precision Machinery Import-Export Corp’s (CPMIEC) C-704 anti-ship cruise missile with 35km range, the C-802KD air-launched anti-ship cruise missile with 120km range, YJ-91 supersonic anti-ship cruise missile with 70km range and the YJ-98 supersonic anti-radiation missile with 200km range, 500kg FT-1 GPS-guided bomb, 250kg FT-3 GPS-guided bomb, and the LS-6 500kg bomb that is fitted with glide kit comprising twin pop-out wings. The LS-6 has a range of 40km when launched from an altitude of 30,000 feet.

Yet another air-launched PGM that will be carried by the FC-20 is the 500kg LT-2 laser-guided bomb, currently operational with the PLA Navy’s JH-7As and the PLAAF’s Q-5M tactical strike aircraft. Laser target acquisition-cum-designation for this bomb will be provided by a pod developed and built by CLETRI. The LT-2 is essentially a licence-built KAB-500L laser-guided bomb that has a nominal weight of 500kg (1,102lb), and comes fitted with a semi-active laser seeker and guidance fins, turning it into a guided, unpowered glide bomb.

Last Updated ( Monday, 27 July 2009 )

 

[Arsalan]

the part highlighted in red is the mot important one for me! that really is a hell of precesion munitions that the bird carries and is able to deleiver at pin point target!. the will surely be the most cherished feature of the FC20 or atleast one od them as it will give PAF with real precision strike element, whether it be enemy SAM sites, raars or warships!
good going~~~
i hope we get the comlplete package with these birds!

regards!

 

[Super Falcon]

 

[Super Falcon]

very impresive but what type of countermeasures do J 10 have against sams and enemy lock on its very important of war how to dominate skies

 

[IceCold]

Some more Information to an already existing post.

FC-20 M-MRCA Emerges​

China’s Sichuan-based Chengdu Aerospace Corp (CAC) and its affiliated 611 Institute has begun a hectic but structured flight-test programme for the FC-20 medium multi-role combat aircraft (M-MRCA), whose launch export customer is the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). The PAF has an initial requirement for 36 single-seaters and four tandem-seat operational conversion trainers, and envisages a total requirement for 80 FC-20s distributed among four squadrons. The first single-seat FC-20 prototype was rolled out by CAC last December and it made its maiden flight last March. Derived from the CAC-built J-10A Vigorous Dragon M-MRCA, the FC-20 incorporates an undernose modified lightweight air inlet, redesigned vertical tailfin, strengthened underwing inner pylons designed for carrying standoff precision-guided munitions (PGM) like the glide kit-equipped LS-6, nose-mounted infra-red search-and-track (IRST) system, a glass cockpit equipped with a holographic wide-angle heads-up display (HUD), a pair of inverted-gull wings (with the inner upper portion extending slightly downward, while the outer portion extending flat), a fixed in-flight refuelling probe, a large vertical tail, twin ventral stabilisers for providing greater stability at high angles of attack, and a single AL-31FN-M1 turbofan engine rated at 132.4kN thrust with afterburning. In August 2005 China had inked a US$300 million contract in with Russia’s Rosoboronexport State Corp to acquire an initial 100 such engines. The entire R & D phase of the FC-20 is being carried out under the oversight of China’s state-owned China Aviation Industry Corp (AVIC).

The FC-20 will be able to carry 4.5 tonnes of weapons payload, and will come equipped with 11 hardpoints for carrying a wide range of air combat missiles (both within-visual-range and beyond-visual-range) and PGMs. The FC-20’s performance parameters include a maximum combat radius of 2,540km (1,370nm) in a hi-lo-hi mission profile, or of 1,310km (710nm) in a lo-lo-lo mission profile when carrying a 1,810kg (4,000lb) weapons payload.

The M-MRCA will have an empty weight of 9,750kg, maximum takeoff weight of 19,277kg, internal fuel capacity of 4,500kg, maximum speed of Mach 2 at high altitude and Mach 1.2 at sea level, takeoff run of 500 metres, combat radius of 1,100km, and a service ceiling of 18,000 metres. The FC-20 has a wingspan of 8.78 metres, overall length of 14.57 metres, height of 4.78 metres, and a gross wing area of 33.1 square metres. The airframe features high-quality welding, but is overwhelmingly of metallic construction, with composites accounting for only 12% of the fuselage area. CAC and its affiliated 611 Institute are now preparing to roll-out a tandem-seat deep interdictor variant of the FC-20, which, like the single-seater, will be equipped with a laser target acquisition/designation pod, laser-/GPS-guided PGMs, as well as PL-9C within-visual-range and PL-12 beyond-visual-range air combat missiles built by the Luoyang Opto-Electro Technology Development Centre. Design of this variant of the FC-20 is derived from the J-10B operational conversion trainer that made its maiden flight on December 26, 2003.

The FC-20’s tandem-seat variant will feature a stretched forward fuselage and a single-piece bubble canopy. Its dorsal spine will be enlarged to accommodate those avionics displaced by the rear cockpit. The PAF is widely expected to equip its FC-20s with the SELEX Galileo-built X-band Vixen 500E airborne active phased-array fire-control radar.

The glass cockpit avionics suite will includes a wide-angle holographic HUD with up-front control panel and a video camera, twin monochrome AMLCD-based multifunction displays, a single colour AMLCD head-down display, infra-red sensors for a helmet-mounted sight, hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) controls, ring-laser-gyro-based inertial navigation system, air data computer, ARW-9101A radar warning receiver, Type 634 digital quadruplex fly-by-wire flight control system using a MIL-STD-1553B digital data bus, and a digital fuel management system and stores management system.

The FC-20’s compound delta-wing configuration will offer two important aerodynamic qualities. The swept leading edge of the wing will stay ahead of the shock-wave generated by the FC-20’s nose during supersonic flight, thus making the compound delta-wing a very efficient aerodynamic wing shape for supersonic flight. The leading edge of compound delta-wing will also generate a massive vortex that will attach itself to the upper surface of the wing during high angle-of-attack (AoA) manoeuvres, resulting in very high stall points.
The FC-20’s leading edge extensions at the root of the leading edge of the main wings will remain out of airflow in cruise flight and will be used during high AoA manoeuvres to generate a high-speed vortex that will stay attached to the top of the main wing. This in turn will maintain a low-pressure zone over the upper surface of the wing, generating lift beyond what would have been the stall point for a single delta-wing. The compound delta-wing has another quality significant for the FC-20: this wing profile offers increased survivability by having increased structural and airflow stability.

The FC-20’s twin canard surfaces, unlike a conventional tailplane which they have replaced, will generate positive lift. During high AoA manoeuvres the canard surfaces will stall first. This will cause the nose of the aircraft to pitch down and prevent the main wing from stalling—a valuable feature for a combat aircraft. At the same time, however, the canard surfaces will create a downwash which will degrade the main wing’s performance. Canards will also make it very difficult to apply flaps: normally, extending flaps causes a downward movement of the nose, which is compensated by the tailplane. However, in the FC-20’s case, there is no tailplane and therefore there is nothing required to compensate for the effect of the flaps.

PGMs to be carried by the FC-20 will include China National Precision Machinery Import-Export Corp’s (CPMIEC) C-704 anti-ship cruise missile with 35km range, the C-802KD air-launched anti-ship cruise missile with 120km range, YJ-91 supersonic anti-ship cruise missile with 70km range and the YJ-98 supersonic anti-radiation missile with 200km range, 500kg FT-1 GPS-guided bomb, 250kg FT-3 GPS-guided bomb, and the LS-6 500kg bomb that is fitted with glide kit comprising twin pop-out wings. The LS-6 has a range of 40km when launched from an altitude of 30,000 feet.

Yet another air-launched PGM that will be carried by the FC-20 is the 500kg LT-2 laser-guided bomb, currently operational with the PLA Navy’s JH-7As and the PLAAF’s Q-5M tactical strike aircraft. Laser target acquisition-cum-designation for this bomb will be provided by a pod developed and built by CLETRI. The LT-2 is essentially a licence-built KAB-500L laser-guided bomb that has a nominal weight of 500kg (1,102lb), and comes fitted with a semi-active laser seeker and guidance fins, turning it into a guided, unpowered glide bomb.

Last Updated ( Monday, 27 July 2009 )

I dont understand what are we planning to gain out of this aircraft since by the time the delivery starts to the PAF and a suitable strength of squardon is added, it will roughly be the same time when India might be getting its next 5th generation fighter. What are we going to do about that or are we simply of the opinion that by the time India gets its Pak-FA, China will to have the so called J-xx ready so we need not worry.

 

[Arsalan]

I dont understand what are we planning to gain out of this aircraft since by the time the delivery starts to the PAF and a suitable strength of squardon is added, it will roughly be the same time when India might be getting its next 5th generation fighter. What are we going to do about that or are we simply of the opinion that by the time India gets its Pak-FA, China will to have the so called J-xx ready so we need not worry.

what makes you think so sir!
by the time we get them in operational squadron strength, the indian will be in last satge or would have just finialized the deal for MRCA, will be getting last of there Su30z let alone the Fifth generation!!
it will take hell of time to reach there!
i hope yo understand!

regards!