Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[EagleEyes]

What do you guys think about the acquisitions of J-10? Is it a good idea, seeing that Pakistan is now trying to improve its JF-17 on par to the J-10 in terms of being modern and latest. I think it will send out a bad signal if we procure J-10. What are your views on this?

 

[Owais]

What do you guys think about the acquisitions of J-10? Is it a good idea, seeing that Pakistan is now trying to improve its JF-17 on par to the J-10 in terms of being modern and latest. I think it will send out a bad signal if we procure J-10. What are your views on this?

webby, J-10 can be used as bombing purpose where as JF-17 ia a light weight, air defence fighter. if western electronics with AESA Radar are slected for F-10 with WS-10A engine, then PAF definately need that kind of fighter in huge numbers to balance india's 126 MRCAs (F-18E/F)

 

[Neo]

What do you guys think about the acquisitions of J-10? Is it a good idea, seeing that Pakistan is now trying to improve its JF-17 on par to the J-10 in terms of being modern and latest. I think it will send out a bad signal if we procure J-10. What are your views on this?

Its definately a good idea to purchase J-10/FC-20 in great numbers and Imho its not linked to the capabilites of the JF-17.

We need to replace 380+ fighets in different roles by 2015, JF-17 won't be enough but will certainly claim half the number.

FC-20 has greater range, more powerfull engines and higher payload, it can be used for interdict strike and deep peneteration whereas JF-17 will specialise in Air Defence and Air Superiority and Close Support roles.

To create a relaible force without being too vulnrable to santions (or a temp grounding of the fleet) we need to have atleast three platforms. F-16, JF-17 and FC-20 will create that force till 2020.
By then we'll be looking into Stealth...

 

[Neo]

Munir also hinted on the Block II variant of the JF-17, a project still under development and I won't be surprised that the drawings you posted earlier will become reality.

With JF-17 we have a good platform, its designed to integrate new systems on 'plug and go' base so basically we can take it further without Chinese assistance.
Here's where our true strenght lies, adapting and improvising the designs.

 

[pg7]

in many of our arguments, we want to balance out india on one to one basis which i think is misconception. in fact what we should possess is the kind of air force arsenal which can protect our land and naval assets preventing indians from inflicting heavy losses without losing their aircrafts. for this purpose we need not to strike deep in india nor should this be our motive. what we require is aircrafts which good point defencers and can destroy the indian assets within 200km range. aeroplanes like typhoon, eurofighters etc are beasts for strategic designs which we have none. actually when mirage 2000 was being evaluated, modifications were requested to it good dog fighters because it often lost in dog fights against f-7mp simulator games paf run before finalising the deal.french were not interested to downgrade thier prime product. so before going in to fighters selection, we need to keep these things in mind. j-10 will definitely be purchased and block c and d will used to improve it. but wedont need them in big numbers.

 

[Quwa]

The FC-20/J-10 gives the PAF the range and payload the JF-17s do not provide. Unlike JF-17 the J-10 has the airframe one should have if they intend to put a radar like RBE2-AA and expensive avionics and ECM/EW suites. I think the number of active J-10 in PAF will cross 100 and reach close to 150. I reckon a Pakistan specific J-10 would be $35-45mn per aircraft - if PAF procured 100-150 such versions. Remember the PAF needs a higher-end fighter that is relatively low in cost in contrast to other options and has a steady source of supply. The J-10 fits the bill.

 

[Adux]

J-10 needs to finish its requirements in PLAAF, and that takes a longtime, I suggest the Rafale.

 

[Neo]

Mark is quite right there, F-10/FC-20 is ideal for PAF's requirement for all the reasons mentioned.
Rafale would be a great assett but we can't afford it in great numbers.
I believe the unitcost is around $70 million.

 

[Adux]

J-10 will take a long time, Rafale is available of the shelf, and you can milk the french, cuz they dont have any buyers for it yet

 

[Janbaz]

J-10 will take a long time, Rafale is available of the shelf, and you can milk the french, cuz they dont have any buyers for it yet

They got Saudi's for their new baby. J 10 ought to be inducted as a platform that can serve us better than the F 16 and JF 17. With certain modifications it might rival the MKI and be a direct opponent to the MRCA deal. It's ability to carry large loads is a huge asset for PAF especially when accompanied by bigger F 16 blk 52's.:banana2:

 

[Adux]

SAudi's are getting the Eurofighter's, if it is the J-10 when do you expect the First delivery.

 

[mxiong]

With certain modifications it might rival the MKI and be a direct opponent to the MRCA deal.

I would say J-10 already has the ability to counter IAF's Su-30MKI.

 

[Adux]

I would say J-10 already had the ability to counter IAF's Su-30MKI.

Really lets have debate on that then, Give me the current Specifications of J-10 with its current avionics(not if's or wishful thinkin). J-10 on its current form is not as good as the F-16 Block 30. Even the Pakistani's will agree to that.

China's doing good for herself, no doubt. But for you to reach weapon system and avionics reaching the standards of the leaders in the field you have a very very long way to go. And it is harder for you obtain technology beacause of the various technology bans kept on you by USA and Europe.

 

[kidwaibhai]

Yeah i do think that j-10 is not that close to the SU-30. But i do think that the chinese are getting really close maybe in the next 10-12 years. Dont worry after that we will kick *** all over the place

 

[mxiong]

Really lets have debate on that then, Give me the current Specifications of J-10 with its current avionics(not if's or wishful thinkin). J-10 on its current form is not as good as the F-16 Block 30. Even the Pakistani's will agree to that.

China's doing good for herself, no doubt. But for you to reach weapon system and avionics reaching the standards of the leaders in the field you have a very very long way to go. And it is harder for you obtain technology beacause of the various technology bans kept on you by USA and Europe.

PLAAF has conducted both field exercise and computer simulation and J-10 had excellent exchange ratio w/ J-11(Su-27SK w/ upgraded avionics) as 1:2 and a even better 1:4 w/ Su-30MKK. So I believe the exchange ratio b/t J-10 and Su-30MKI is approx. 1:1.2~1.5.