Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

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J-10B

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Production WS-10 J-10

The J-10C will be built mainly for economic patrol, consumes less fuel per second compared to J-11B, J-16, J-20, ideal for training and expendable in close air support especially hunting hidden SAMs protecting enemy tanks and troops that required visual range engagement using multi-purpose blue arrow missiles.

The smaller maneuverable J-10C is harder to hit for enemy AAA fire compared to large more expensive J-16. During Iraq Desert Storm, USAF lost 2x or 4x F-15E to heavy enemy ground fire (AAA & SAM) during heavy air to ground sorties in heavily defended oil refineries & storages but none of the F-16C were shot down. Ever since, F-16C flown all air to ground search and destroy ground defences, close air support while F-15E sent for bombardment and destroying ground targets that don't shoot back
or stay out of >5Nm radius on ground threats mostly.

 

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J-10B

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J-10C

 

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How many BVR missiles j10 can carry without using dual rails? I've never seen it carrying more than two BVR's and two WVR missiles. What's max air superiority load of J10C? With and without dual rails.

 

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How many BVR missiles j10 can carry without using dual rails? I've never seen it carrying more than two BVR's and two WVR missiles. What's max air superiority load of J10C? With and without dual rails.

There are some differences between what J-10C can carry and what PLAAF needs J-10C to carry.

 

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J-10C
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There are some differences between what J-10C can carry and what PLAAF needs J-10C to carry.

So what is your answer to @Baloch Pakistani then? Without dual rail rack, can the J-10C carries more than 4x air to air missiles with the innermost underwing 3rd pylon? The dual rack seems flimsy and that's probably why he asked. So without the dual rack, outer most pylons 2x PL-10E, mid pylons 2x PL-15. Innermost large pylons, can they carry 2x PL-15? 可不可以?

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

So what is your answer to @Baloch Pakistani then? Without dual rail rack, can the J-10C carries more than 4x air to air missiles with the innermost underwing 3rd pylon? The dual rack seems flimsy and that's probably why he asked. So without the dual rack, outer most pylons 2x PL-10E, mid pylons 2x PL-15. Innermost large pylons, can they carry 2x PL-15? 可不可以?

As far as i know J10 can only carry 2 BVR and 2 WVR missiles without dual rails. Inner most pylons and fuselage pylons cannot carry BVR's. They can carry fuel tanks or pods only. This air superiority load is unimpressive. This load equals the much smaller jf17 which can also carry only 2 bvr and 2 wvr missile (unimpressive also). Dual rails on jf17 and j10 are not made for pulling high G's and that's why we never see Jf17 or J10 flying with these.

 

[Daniel808]

So what is your answer to @Baloch Pakistani then? Without dual rail rack, can the J-10C carries more than 4x air to air missiles with the innermost underwing 3rd pylon? The dual rack seems flimsy and that's probably why he asked. So without the dual rack, outer most pylons 2x PL-10E, mid pylons 2x PL-15. Innermost large pylons, can they carry 2x PL-15? 可不可以?

Of course they can, the 3rd underwing pylon can carry BVRAAM.
And they can hold up to 12 AAM with dual racks.

Total they have 10 pylon (8 underwing, 1 underbelly, and 1 other near engine intake)
I don't know about underbelly pylon and near engine intake pylon, can carry AAM too or not. Mostly they carry External Tank and Laser Pod/ Electronic Jamming Pods.

Usually they carry 3 External Tanks in Long Distance Combat Mission.

As far as i know J10 can only carry 2 BVR and 2 WVR missiles without dual rails. Inner most pylons and fuselage pylons cannot carry BVR's. They can carry fuel tanks or pods only. This air superiority load is unimpressive. This load equals the much smaller jf17 which can also carry only 2 bvr and 2 wvr missile (unimpressive also). Dual rails on jf17 and j10 are not made for pulling high G's and that's why we never see Jf17 or J10 flying with these.

 

[kungfugymnast]

As far as i know J10 can only carry 2 BVR and 2 WVR missiles without dual rails. Inner most pylons and fuselage pylons cannot carry BVR's. They can carry fuel tanks or pods only. This air superiority load is unimpressive. This load equals the much smaller jf17 which can also carry only 2 bvr and 2 wvr missile (unimpressive also). Dual rails on jf17 and j10 are not made for pulling high G's and that's why we never see Jf17 or J10 flying with these.

Present day conventional fighters are required to carry at least 8x air to air missiles. 4x air to air missiles for almost 50ft long fighter is totally ridiculous. If a squadron of J-10C up against Block 60 or newer F-16E/F/V, the F-16 could launch 2x AIM-120C7 at every J-10C at a time. Meanwhile J-10C would have to spend wisely launching 1x PL-12/15 at every F-16 at a time. 2x missiles after 1 aircraft hit success is always higher than 1 where first missile successfully spoofed, there's 2nd missile going after the J-10C.

Based on the poor flimsy design of the dual rack on J-10C, 1 could tell the rack is useless unlike US version twin rack on F-16. Wonder why China bothers to build this J-10C that can't carry 8 air to air missiles in the first place. Even Rafale and EF2000 could carry 10 air to air missiles. Thanks for your information