Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Stealth_fighter]

 

[houshanghai]

 

[Silk]

If you see the intakes on the second plane, they are round intakes, which means its hornet C\D not E\F which have rectangular intakes.

Let me try to understand. First you show me that those horizontal lines near the radome are coolers or linked with the AESA radar. Now I show you those lines with an old plane and a Spanish hornet with o EASA and you still think you are correct? Where did we miscommunicate?

 

[SBD-3]

Let me try to understand. First you show me that those horizontal lines near the radome are coolers or linked with the AESA radar. Now I show you those lines with an old plane and a Spanish hornet with o EASA and you still think you are correct? Where did we miscommunicate?

Since you're very confident, let me put it in counter question, how can we identify AESA born plaform and Non-AESA born one

 

[SQ8]

If you gentlemen wish to identify an AESA.. best to look at the antenna itself.
Current AESA antenna's are thick due to the T/R modules.
A normal PD antenna is a nice thin flat plate..
Although.. I suppose with the continuing miniaturization of power circuits..newer AESA's may get thinner and smaller as well.

If this was what you are discussing...

 

[symbios]

Information on every aspect of the Fighting Falcon.

 

[SBD-3]

If you gentlemen wish to identify an AESA.. best to look at the antenna itself.
Current AESA antenna's are thick due to the T/R modules.
A normal PD antenna is a nice thin flat plate..
Although.. I suppose with the continuing miniaturization of power circuits..newer AESA's may get thinner and smaller as well.

If this was what you are discussing...

If you go a bit backward (on previous page) I am pretty sure you ll be able to grab the idea of our discussion. I hope the gentalman silk, since has presumably more know how about identification of AESA born aircraft, so i am hoping that he will be able to correct me soon. I am waiting for his reply. I have made my arguments on the previous page. Eventhough I was convinced of his "in depth" understanding of AESA when he made a hallarious post about AESA being the sole radar to give BVR capability to an aircraft but anyways I may be wrong, so just waiting for his reply

 

[SQ8]

Not sure who knows more..
But the both of you are definitely on entirely different pages.

What he is alluding to.. is this:

These are strip lights(not sure of the exact technical name for them) and generally seen on Boeing or specifically the MD jets...
The F-111 also had such lighting.
The UAEAF F-16's have such reflectors on the tails and I suppose on the nose as well.. a better end to this debate would be a night shot of the F-16E to see if it has a glowing strip on the nose where the purported ventilation for the AESA is said to be.
I do think though.. that those are the strip lights..
The blacked out type are supposed to be NVG and IR friendly..
Another way to wait for a shot of the J-10b at night.. or try to check the tail or other surfaces for these strips..
Since quite a few modern jets carry these low voltage lights.

 

[Silk]

Not sure who knows more..
But the both of you are definitely on entirely different pages.

What he is alluding to.. is this:

These are strip lights(not sure of the exact technical name for them) and generally seen on Boeing or specifically the MD jets...
The F-111 also had such lighting.
The UAEAF F-16's have such reflectors on the tails and I suppose on the nose as well.. a better end to this debate would be a night shot of the F-16E to see if it has a glowing strip on the nose where the purported ventilation for the AESA is said to be.
I do think though.. that those are the strip lights..
The blacked out type are supposed to be NVG and IR friendly..
Another way to wait for a shot of the J-10b at night.. or try to check the tail or other surfaces for these strips..
Since quite a few modern jets carry these low voltage lights.

So as I said these are low observable position lights. They can be dimmed to avoid detection from certain distances but clear enough for close maneuvering. These lights are standard for decades in US navy. You need those lights to control aircraft movement on the aircraft carrier. You surely do not want all those flashing lights...

Hasnai... It takes a man to admit that he was wrong.

 

[SBD-3]

Not sure who knows more..
But the both of you are definitely on entirely different pages.

What he is alluding to.. is this:

These are strip lights(not sure of the exact technical name for them) and generally seen on Boeing or specifically the MD jets...
The F-111 also had such lighting.
The UAEAF F-16's have such reflectors on the tails and I suppose on the nose as well.. a better end to this debate would be a night shot of the F-16E to see if it has a glowing strip on the nose where the purported ventilation for the AESA is said to be.
I do think though.. that those are the strip lights..
The blacked out type are supposed to be NVG and IR friendly..
Another way to wait for a shot of the J-10b at night.. or try to check the tail or other surfaces for these strips..
Since quite a few modern jets carry these low voltage lights.

Thank you for correcting me, now i stand corrected

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

here are a few more lights
F-14 tomcat

also on IAF C-130j

German F-4s

Canadian F-5

British Hawk

Its surly doesn't have to do anything with AESA radar.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

wasn't that needed in Jf-17 too ?
even HAL LCA teja also has such lights. !

 

[Silk]

I think the improved JF17 will probably go for it cause those bulbs are causing more RCS. Beside that you do want to achieve maximum visual stealth and if the neighbour is covering your borders it is not smart to use flash bulbs hat are seen far away.

FC20 does have these positions lights already.

Hasnai bro. No problems. We need these discussions to find the facts.There are many battles in a war and winning them all is impossible.

 

[SQ8]

If the Fc-20 is using the IR capable lights.. then it seems a sure bet.. that the jet is being designed from the onset to be a true MR.. capable of Day/night precious strikes..in other words.. a MRCA.

There are other ways to assume an AESA..
for one thing.. why the redesigned nose??
There seemed nothing wrong with the last one.. and the F-16 DSI demonstrator showed that the DSI need not effect nose aerodynamics.

 

[Silk]

If the Fc-20 is using the IR capable lights.. then it seems a sure bet.. that the jet is being designed from the onset to be a true MR.. capable of Day/night precious strikes..in other words.. a MRCA.

There are other ways to assume an AESA..
for one thing.. why the redesigned nose??
There seemed nothing wrong with the last one.. and the F-16 DSI demonstrator showed that the DSI need not effect nose aerodynamics.

If you develop a plane right now then it would be stupid to only think about the conventional rotating radar. Why not incorporating the slightly tilted attachment? And by the time it is ready then there is probably a big chance to add AESA.

I doubt you see the Block60 with lots of lower RCS developments. The one and only development is Silent Eagle and even then you have not extremely new plane and just look at the price. It is even more expensive then JSF! So adding DSI on the f16 might be interesting but probably costly. The USA is not willing to go the lower RCS way with big structural redesigns. They jump from 4th gen to F22 and JSF.

About FC20 being multirole. Most of the planes are multi/omi role. Even low RCS planes need to do A2A and A2G. You have some specialists like F117 but that is some time ago.

About nose effect. There is a whole different effect if you have side inlets. The chin intake is a lot bigger to compensate the nose upwards movement.