Changing Dynamics of Air Warfare in South Asia

[Pakistani Fighter]

IAF never cross the Border

They crossed LOC

 

[YeBeWarned]

They crossed

Where did that come from ?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Where did that come from ?

In a press briefing, Pakistan's Director-General Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), Major General Asif Ghafoor, stated that three IAF teams were spotted approaching the Pakistan border from various sectors in the early hours of 26 February. He added that the two of these teams did not cross the border following a challenge from Pakistani aircraft flying combat air patrol, but the third one crossed the Line of Control from the Kiran Valley near Muzaffarabad before being intercepted by Pakistani Air Force (PAF) jets within three minutes of the incursion.[
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[YeBeWarned]

In a press briefing, Pakistan's Director-General Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), Major General Asif Ghafoor, stated that three IAF teams were spotted approaching the Pakistan border from various sectors in the early hours of 26 February. He added that the two of these teams did not cross the border following a challenge from Pakistani aircraft flying combat air patrol, but the third one crossed the Line of Control from the Kiran Valley near Muzaffarabad before being intercepted by Pakistani Air Force (PAF) jets within three minutes of the incursion.[
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That was confirmed after IA strikes, hence if we follow up and Chase down IAF fighters we might be falling into their trap, I mean Its hard to believe that IAF to be dumb enough to send a Strike Package , and not setting up a trap in case their Package is been chased back . If we did cross the border or did something reckless without knowing the ground damages, India will use that to push a narrative Against Pakistan , and we would be branded as Aggressors , We did Win the conflict Military and also the narrative . It was only because we behave very sensibly and restrain our worse impulses , which all paid in the end as even India admit that Pakistan won the perception war .

 

[araz]

I am still trying to inderstand something. If someone can help me with a few things:
A. Range of Spikes.
B. Distance from International border to Balakot where the Indians struck(50 miles)
C. Range of Pak Sows and H2(?120km).
Distance from IB to Badgam where the PAF struck(100miles).
Did some preliminary work. It seems whereas IAF might not have crossed IB, PAF would have had to to deliver its ammo. My analysis so dont take it as gosel truth.

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[Pakistani Fighter]

I am still trying to inderstand something. If someone can help me with a few things:
A. Range of Spikes.
B. Distance from International border to the point where the Indians struck.
C. Range of Pak Sows and H2(?120km).
Distance from IB to point where the PAF struck.
Help would be greatly appreciated.
A

Well Balakot is very near the Muzaffarabad

 

[araz]

That was confirmed after IA strikes, hence if we follow up and Chase down IAF fighters we might be falling into their trap, I mean Its hard to believe that IAF to be dumb enough to send a Strike Package , and not setting up a trap in case their Package is been chased back . If we did cross the border or did something reckless without knowing the ground damages, India will use that to push a narrative Against Pakistan , and we would be branded as Aggressors , We did Win the conflict Military and also the narrative . It was only because we behave very sensibly and restrain our worse impulses , which all paid in the end as even India admit that Pakistan won the perception war .

I pointed to the former. The latter I didn't think of so worth remembering

Well Balakot is very near the Muzaffarabad

I need the distance from IB please.
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[YeBeWarned]

I pointed to the former. The latter I didn't think of so worth rememberrin

Sorry Araz bhai didn't get your point ? can you rephrase it ?

 

[araz]

Sorry Araz bhai didn't get your point ? can you rephrase it ?

Bhai I pointed out that PAF did not go into Indian Airspace as it could have fallen into a trap. Plus Peacetime Air incursion is an act of aggression and would give them a chance to retaliate thereby escalating things.
I did not think about the possibility the Pakistani forces and Government would want to assess the damage before responding so this is a factor worth remembering .

 

[YeBeWarned]

Bhai I pointed out that PAF did not go into Indian Airspace as it could have fallen into a trap. Plus Peacetime Air incursion is an act of aggression and would give them a chance to retaliate thereby escalating things.
I did not think about the possibility the Pakistani forces and Government would want to assess the damage before responding so this is a factor worth remembering .

Araz bhai if I could find my own posts of 26th , I was way to harsh on Govt, Armed forces to let this happen but whatever happened on 27th, and later slowly when things started to surface, along with when we see how International Community pick up the whole narrative, we see first time Indian's praising our response and narrative building, I change the way i used to think about it .
I fear if we'd follow up the IAF strike Package, we'd be on the spot where Indians were after they saw their Pilot been caught, beaten by Angry Pakistani's . May God Forbid if a PAF Pilot caught in Enemy Territory , it would be a very horrible for us as nation and the Pilot/PAF .

 

[Deltadart]

india will keep licking wounds of 27feb next 10 years

May be not.... I think as soon as they are able to learn how not to crash the rafael, they will try to attack. Raphal is their new savior.

 

[MastanKhan]

PAF could have retaliated the same night but military planners decided not to do so as it was not evident what damage has been done.

Hi,

And that was cowardice and bad assessment---. We should have been crying a river and made a massive retaliatory strike---and should have mourned the 300 "dead" madrassah students---and made the world know---they killed out 300 students---we had to strike hard in revenge---.

When the world would come looking and tell you---where the 300 dead madrassah students---there is no clue of any dead---you would say---how could we know---the enemy claimed and we thought they were obliterated and we had a lot of public pressure on us thus we had to strike hard otherwise the public was at our throats---.

Paf has dumb fck leadership---. The hindus gave you another opportunity of a lifetime and they tried to act honest---what f'ing morons---. Could have decimated the indian air strike force in kashmir and the sub in the ocean---and the world would not have questioned---.

Paf had its own internal grown fears hold them back---the lack of numbers----.

I am still trying to inderstand something. If someone can help me with a few things:
A. Range of Spikes.
B. Distance from International border to Balakot where the Indians struck(50 miles)
C. Range of Pak Sows and H2(?120km).
Distance from IB to Badgam where the PAF struck(100miles).
Did some preliminary work. It seems whereas IAF might not have crossed IB, PAF would have had to to deliver its ammo. My analysis so dont take it as gosel truth.

A

Why the heck would you say that indians did not cross LOC---. Why would you support the indian narrative or if not why would you even suggest that---.

Guys---this is the face of the enemy---a saboteur---how disgraceful---.

 

[araz]

May be not.... I think as soon as they are able to learn how not to crash the rafael, they will try to attack. Raphal is their new savior.

I think we should not underestimate our adversary. They have good pilots and hopefully people who have learnt from their mistakes. They will rectify their weaknesses and come back. We need to be prepared for this. Slagging the Rafale is not going to be much help if we are too cocky and this time the results are reversed. We need to remember Badr and Uhad to measure what Iam saying and also Ahzab to forsee coming scenarios. May Allah protect us from upcoming fasaad. Ameen.
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[Pakistan Space Agency]

There are no hitches:

1) IAF has ordered new advanced datalinks and Software defined radios from Israel and their deliveries already began in October

2) Upgraded R-77-1 BVRAAMs with more range are being inducted.

3) Terrain elevation data has been changed to latest WGS 84 model

Why wasn't IAF up to mark already?

 

[araz]

Why wasn't IAF up to mark already?

Again what is past is past. We need to prepare for the future. I think we need to be positive but not underestimate the issues facing us. I gave the example of Badr and Uhad. People need to read the Quran to see what I mean. The ayat of Allah are a stark reminder of how a slight mistake was turned into a degrading defeat. Subhanallah if it can Happen when Habeeb of Allah SAW was amongst the best of the ummah then it can happen to us. We must all take Badr as our benchmark and study and contemplate how Rasool of Allah SAW Prayed and cried to Allah all night for us to understand what himility is. It is the most important lesson we have not learnt yet and we need to do so to be secured against the hardships of any defeats that come our way subsequently before Allah izza waJal granta us victory.
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